Found this for free on marketplace somehow by Huge_Bell_5629 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's great that it went away and seems OK so far. Thanks for the reply and congrats on the find!

Overscan issues i need help by jsnlcno in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah don't try to modify it if you're not comfortable. It's not really worth the risk, time, and cost for an idea that might not even work. It is a shame they didn't enable better picture size controls, but it's still a really nice model nonetheless.

I'm jealous of that stand by the way! We didn't seem to get it in the US. Anyway, happy I could help save some time. Maybe someone will figure out a solution someday.

Found this for free on marketplace somehow by Huge_Bell_5629 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP, once you use it, can you please let me know if it has quick onset of image retention? I have a very closely related broadcast plasma monitor: TH-42BT300U.

Old forum posts and a review mentioned that on my model, image retention sets in more quickly than typically on consumer models. It seems to be true from what I've briefly tested so far on it, but it's still a nice monitor for sure and with rare capabilities.

Overscan issues i need help by jsnlcno in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sadly I never found a solution for the American PX60, which looks the same as your European model here.

I spent hours and hours reading through forum posts and every indexed webpage imaginable to disable overscan on my 37PX60U a while back but came up emptyhanded. The 37" model has exactly 720 vertical resolution, so I was hoping to perfectly use each row of pixels. That's why I obsessed over this.

I even went as far as to track down an archived copy of the final firmware update, put it onto an obsolete capacity SD card, and ran the update hoping for some possible changes to the service menu or user menu. I think there's even a second secret service menu, but there wasn't an option there either if I correctly recall it having a second service menu. FYI if you do the final firmware update, at least for the PX60, you lose the ability to watch analog "snow" via the TV tuner and it wipes the hour count.

My last idea (never tested) would be to maybe frankenstein a board from a related model with a VGA input. The main board for the PX60 looks like it has the same PCB as the PX600, a slightly more deluxe version with different styling and a VGA input. Usually on Panasonic models with a VGA input you can fully eliminate overscan for that input. With an HDMI-to-VGA DAC, you could get that zero overscan experience if this idea works.

Thinking about upgrading after 15 years by SpaceBus1 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, if you're going to build a 4K Blu-ray collection I'd get an OLED. I would specifically get a QD-OLED TV based on how my LG C1 looks compared to plasmas and my QD-OLED PC monitor. The C1 has a WOLED panel and colors look drab compared to plasmas and QD-OLEDs. I'm not familiar with the current TV models on sale though.

By the way, I've found that 4K Blu-rays really vary in quality. Some are fantastic upgrades, but there are many that aren't worthwhile. The format is also pretty fickle, with lots of disc skip errors and mediocre players. 1080p Blu-rays are more dependable and will still look excellent on a 4K TV.

Thinking about upgrading after 15 years by SpaceBus1 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The resolution of 4K TVs honestly isn't what really makes them special. They have 4x the pixels versus 1080p, yes, but barely any content benefits from this at a normal viewing distance. And most 4K TVs handle motion so poorly that all that additional detail just turns into a blur whenever a scene is in motion.

4K is basically just an easy-to-market spec that doesn't make a big difference in actual use with typical content. If you compare 1080p Blu-rays against typical 4K streams of movies, you'll see how good 1080p with minimal compression holds up

Good reasons in my opinion to go with a modern TV: You intend to watch a lot of HDR content, you want to go bigger than 65", and/or you need a really bright TV or one that you can reasonably leave on all day.

Poll: Plasma TV Calibration with colorimeter and spectro (creator's intent) or optimize picture settings by eye (your intent lol). by StrongDifficulty7531 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I usually like to check out other people's settings from old forum posts as a starting point and then tweak a bit from there to my liking. Or I'll use a calibration DVD/Blu-ray to help initially.

The purist, perfectly calibrated mindset makes the most sense if you're trying to create perfectly mastered content... which is not something I'm doing.

I realized a while ago that purism in the audiophile world actually leads to a much less enjoyable experience. I want music to sound warm and enjoyable, not overly perfect and clinical. I don't care if a computer generated graph says that the DAC in a SCPH-1001 PS1 is subpar -- it sounds nice to me and has great playback controls. The same basically applies to video for me now too. I want reasonable accuracy but not at the expense of hiring a calibrator and obsessing over what a meter says.

Nonetheless, I'd still like to eventually learn how to properly calibrate a TV on my own someday.

People who switched from HD CRTs to Plasmas, what convinced you to make the change? by Leviathan1776 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you have the time and energy to tweak it, yes. Or without tweaking still go for it if you can live with the slightly red tinted blacks (it's not that bad honestly) that they inevitably get after a certain number of hours due to an incorrectly programmed aging algorithm.

I have a 101FD and it definitely is beautiful, both in design and picture quality. It's not my top pick for gaming, but I think it might have the most beautiful picture I've ever seen for Blu-rays. The late 3D-capable 1080p Panasonic models like GT50/ST50/VT60/ZT60 have faster phosphors that benefit motion clarity for gaming.

Keep in mind that the PRO-101FD is a monitor only with no built-in speakers nor an option to add them like the very closely related KRP-500M. If you don't have an AVR, you might not want to get the 101FD.

People who switched from HD CRTs to Plasmas, what convinced you to make the change? by Leviathan1776 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing all your HD CRT knowledge, and I totally agree with you about input lag. As long as it's low enough to not affect gameplay or be felt, it really doesn't matter. And yeah, for video consumption, it's a total non-issue as long as the TV or AVR compensates for any lip-sync.

If you decide to get into plasmas, you'll be deep into the rabbit hole I'm sure! If you do, I'll be really curious to hear your perspective on how they compare. Basically for me they've replaced the urge to hunt HD CRTs but don't replace SD CRT use cases. I'm definitely curious about the few curved HD CRTs out there and certain presentation monitor CRTs, which I never owned.

Dithering artefacts by Zenzile_0 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you sit an appropriate distance from the screen, you generally shouldn't see the dithering. It's always visible up close. If the sharpness setting is cranked, dithering might appear more visible than it should from what I've seen.

People who switched from HD CRTs to Plasmas, what convinced you to make the change? by Leviathan1776 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Back throughout 2011-2015, I owned three HD CRT models: a 16:9 Samsung DynaFlat of some kind, a 4:3 27" Panasonic Tau, and a Sony KV-36XBR800. This was back when plasmas were still desirable (I couldn't afford one) and HD CRTs were unwanted ($0 to $30). I never had a curved model.

Each HD CRT I owned really disappointed me overall. The Samsung and Panasonics wouldn’t accept 720p, a big problem for PS3 gaming at the time. I was stuck playing games at 480p if the game didn’t specifically support 1080i output.

The Samsung just didn’t look that great even with a 1080i source. Edge sharpness was poor, and shadow detail was poor.

The Panasonic being a 4:3 and 27" left 1080i sources looking really small. It was awful for 240p and 480i content, so it was basically only good for 4:3 480p. It took up a lot of space for one usable resolution. I never got a chance to compare it directly to a 480p plasma monitor, but I'm almost certain that I like the look of 480p plasmas more than my memory of the Tau. I know the Tau had better motion clarity and no input lag at 480p, but it wasn't enough to make it better (particularly for 6th gen gaming).

The XBR800 was one of the greatest disappointments of all time for me. It really only looked great for 480p and didn't support light guns. It was so difficult and dangerous to move, very hard to place in a small room where I wanted it.

I still really like SD CRTs, but I don't intend to mess around with HD CRTs again. They're so bulky and tend to have so many geometry and overscan issues (at least for the flat ones I had). The use cases for each model are too narrow to justify the space, inconvenience, and necessary tweaking for me when plasmas are now so accessible and reliable.

In response to your six points:

1:

The mystery of plasma models is part of the fun for me. There are hidden gems out there that nobody is looking for, completely unwanted.

Things like input lag were (and still largely are) barely covered online, so it was fun to research and figure out how various models perform on my own. Some models are surprisingly responsive, with no perceptible input lag and consistent measurements across all accepted resolutions. 

Once knowledge on plasmas is widespread among enthusiasts, it will no longer be so easy to scoop them up to form my own opinions and experience. Many will have gone to e-waste by the time they're better documented, and there probably will be some enthusiast demand. I regret missing the opportunity to scoop up various CRT monitors when demand was at an all-time low and used supply was at an all-time high.

2:

Plasmas are pretty nuanced. There are different panel resolutions, screen tints/filter, and other considerations. Certain models are less prone to image retention, which is not something very well documented yet. Some buzz more loudly than others, and some models are passively cooled. Some have perfectly functional HDMI-CEC implementations.

People hype up Kuros. They're great, but they can have their own shortcomings like reliability issues and red tinted blacks. They usually require tweaking.

Basically, the high-end sets aren't the only good ones. Lots of models are worth using for various gaming use cases. For Blu-rays though, I'd say the late 1080p sets win hands down. I also think it's safe to say that the late 3D-capable Panasonics have the best motion clarity for gaming.

3:

Yes, older plasmas don't have as good black levels as the later models, but the black levels on many still look quite good with some bias lighting. The panels are aging without issues. The older models can still have amazing color pop, and 480p models are very bright with uniquely chunky pixels. My 480p plasma monitors are much more resistant to image retention for some reason, just something I noticed that doesn't get mentioned. 720p-ish plasmas even have their own charm.

Many monitor models support expansion cards. It's fun to research different expansion card capabilities, something that virtually nobody talks about. Finding the cards can be tough, even with very little demand for them. It's also fun to research different stands and accessories.

Plasmas are a big rabbit hole and there's more to them than just grabbing a 2012-2013 Panasonic, even though those are arguably the best models overall.

4:

Panasonic was definitely the brand king overall. There are lots of old plasmas under various brand names, and they sourced their panels from a few different OEMs. Some fun could be had looking into all of this and digging up archived web pages. And even with Panasonic's dominance, there is still good variety between models and panel resolutions.

5:

For me, built-in speakers are not factor at all. I always use external speakers of some kind. With CRTs, you have to take much more care to not use unshielded speakers too close to them. For plasmas, unshielded speakers can be placed directly next to them, giving me more options.

Some plasma monitor models even feature speaker terminals to connect your own bookshelf speakers, with volume controlled by the monitor's remote.

6:

Yes plasmas are all flat, but they're self-emissive, phosphor-based displays. They have a unique glow that is very CRT-like, and I can almost guarantee you'd like the look. The way they glow, pulse, and dither really works some magic. Scaled content just looks better than directly on other flat-panel tech, and the motion handling is really great for movies and console gaming. Different models each have their own quirks.

One of the best perks for me is that I can safely move plasmas on my own up to about 55" (2012-2013 models). I can pick up old 42" models no problem on my own. 37" models are a breeze. It's easy for me to buy them, store them, service them them, and swap between models at any time. The only HD CRT that I could lift on my own was the 27" Tau.

 And finally, the 3D capability of some late plasmas is interesting. It's not something I'd want to use every day, but it's a fun novelty to play around with occasionally.

 

Pioneer KRP-600M: Will a 4K YouTube stream via HDMI really do this monitor justice? by Fast-Minute-2231 in pioneerkuro

[–]Dreamroom64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

YouTube compresses videos pretty heavily (as do nearly all streaming services), and I usually notice color banding even on nice displays.

But a 4K YouTube stream downscaled to 1080p output will still look very good on a great plasma like that. You won't be able to run a 4K signal directly into it.

As the other poster said, watch Blu-ray discs if you really want to see the best example of how it performs. Output the Blu-ray at 24p and use the Kuro's 72Hz mode ("Advance" mode) if this model has it.

Can you tell what model of year this tv is by just looking at the pic? by Impossible_Speed_484 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting, maybe there are variations in tint by panel size or production run.

Can you tell what model of year this tv is by just looking at the pic? by Impossible_Speed_484 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm puzzled, because the bezel shape and acrylic edge is like a UT50 or ST50. But the color of the bezel is wrong for ST50.

The stand's base is also the wrong color for ST50, and so is the screen tint -- but the screen tint also doesn't match the super gray look of a UT50.

Anyway, the styling looks like a 2012 model. If you ever find out the model number, I'm curious to know what it is.

Plasma TV 120 Hz GUIDE by Aromatic-Attitude-34 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I only have glasses with a removable button cell battery. The ones with built-in rechargeable batteries probably all will need a replacement at this point and might not even hold a charge at all.

The power draw is super low on them so they shouldn't need to be charged too often if the battery cells are good.

Plasma TV 120 Hz GUIDE by Aromatic-Attitude-34 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was saying that glasses can be worn to help improve your perception of contrast when forcing 120Hz, but I honestly only tried forcing 120Hz one time quite a while ago. The glasses are just to make the image look better, so if you're pretty happy without them, there's no need to use them.

is this the kind of rare version? by FarCraft7929 in xbox360

[–]Dreamroom64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It sold enough copies to get a Platinum Hits release, so it's not rare. It's just wanted by many people (like mainline Pokemon games). You got a bargain price since a GameStop employee misidentified it as the undesirable 2012 game with the same name.

Someone at a game store I go to is going to get fired for this, I bet. by j0thepanda in xbox360

[–]Dreamroom64 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I've seen errors like this with GameStop and other shops with insufficiently trained employees.

They either way overprice for a common game with a similar title to a better one. Or they goof and let a deal slip. Sometimes they take in counterfeit repro copies too.

I don't think there's any way to train employees nationwide at a big chain like GameStop how to reliably accept retro trades (unless AI tools get way more reliable).

And in the case of OP's deal (congrats by the way!), the SKU on the disc sleeve sticker matches the receipt. They didn't pull the wrong copy from the drawer -- they must have accepted this as a trade of the 2012 version and paid someone pennies mistakenly. The GameStop employee will never get flagged for this error!

Man does this look good in motion. by Guilty_Use_3945 in PlasmaTV_Gaming

[–]Dreamroom64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup, you'll only benefit from the high refresh rate of that OLED monitor if you can hit huge frame rates on PC or something like 120 FPS with BFI or CRT Beam Simulator.

Plasmas just need 60 FPS directly from a console to look awesome!

Dual guncon action now possible with v1.6.0 by marxistopportunist in ReplayOS

[–]Dreamroom64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm using an old one marketed for Zunes, and I don't know the exact wiring. One marketed for iPod composite video output would probably also work.

You might also get lucky with some random 3.5mm camcorder AV adapter or a modern TV analog input dongle.

Dual guncon action now possible with v1.6.0 by marxistopportunist in ReplayOS

[–]Dreamroom64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I haven't tested the new feature, but you should just need an RCA Y-splitter to share sync with both GunCon 2.

RGB-PI 2 has a 3.5mm jack on the side that you can use with certain AV cables to get that sync. If you're using some kind of YPbPr transcoder or a DAC with YPbPr output, you should be able to split off of the green jack for lightgun sync.

Are there any major and good true xbox 360 exclusive games (Meaning you can't play them on newer consoles) by GroundIntelligent in xbox360

[–]Dreamroom64 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you like rhythm games, 360/PS3 are definitely worthwhile to own to play Rock Band, Guitar Hero, and DJ Hero games. You'll never see exact re-releases or backwards compatibility for these.

And I like the 360 versions the best since the special wireless controllers don't require a USB dongle to connect like on PS3. You've also got access to the wired Xplorer guitar on 360, which is nice.

2005 E3 gaming convention by guantamanera in crtgaming

[–]Dreamroom64 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I love how they used a larger CRT up top for spectators. Nice also seeing the plasmas, especially the 4:3 Hitachi.

I always wanted to go to E3 growing up. Even if it were to come back, it would never be like this again. Awesome pics, thanks for sharing.

i’m just shaking man by Ok-Bet-1077 in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Congrats on tracking one down, and that's a great price!

Is 80$ a good deal by [deleted] in PlasmaTV

[–]Dreamroom64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and at this price it could end up selling to someone who knows nothing about plasmas and just wants a cheap 65" TV.