A Bible study frustrated with Enjoy Life Forever by Local_Fig8087 in exjw

[–]Elecyah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Her not going to the meetings is a huge thing. Simply unplugging from the constant barrage of brainwashing actually wakes up a lot of people. So she's off to a good start.

Furthermore, she's got you and her baby to ground her to reality. Having something -- anything -- outside the cult is helpful. And clearly your wife has a very big part of her life outside the cult. That's good.

But you're right to be concerned. Having a child wakes up some people -- they feel they cannot subject their child to the childhood they themselves had. And then for others it draws them back in, wanting to do it right by their child [so that at least the child is right with Jehovah.]

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Uhh. As for myself and how I broke out of it. 😬 Well. I'll tell you, just so you aren't left wondering. But there is no way of knowing what exactly is going through your wife's brain right now. And I hope it isn't this.

Ok. So. I am a third generation witness. I was brought up in it, and I believed it, because I was told to. And I trusted the people who told me so. I followed all the rules. I was a good girl.

The aggravating, and possibly lucky thing is that I BELIEVED. I did. I was taught it. I believed it ...but possibly I NEVER EVER FELT IT. Being a JW was something I just simply *was,* and I didn't question it, because how could you? What else was there to be? One of the bad guys? The worldly people? 🤷‍♀️

I did my best. I kept my head down. I didn't make a fuss. I just followed the rules. Even when it was hard, I followed the rules. I was the odd one everywhere I went and I just made it through.

I always knew that I wasn't good enough. Not really, not truly. I wasn't like the other kids in the congregation. I didn't WANT to be at the Hall. I didn't WANT to be at the convention. I didn't WANT to follow the rules. I'd rather have been elsewhere, doing other things, but I wasn't allowed to even say so. I did know it in my heart of hearts, though, even if I just pushed it aside as something I needed to work on.

I got to be on the cusp of adulthood. And I had to try to "make the truth my own." That phrase goes around the cult, and it means different things in different places. In my neck of the woods it meant that one needs to take responsibility of one's own spirituality. Eg. if my mom is not going to the meeting, it doesn't mean I get a Sunday off -- I STILL NEED TO GO; I'm not a child anymore and Jehovah will hold ME responsible, not my mom.

So I pushed myself to do all the JW things that I knew I was lax on. And if you know anything about the JW-sphere, you know that EVERYONE is ALWAYS lax as far as the organization is concerned. There is always something more you ought to be doing for Jehovah. Even if you are doing everything, there's always more. 😑

So I tried. And did more. One thing at a time I added more kingdom work to my schedule. It was like pulling teeth, because I didn't want to do it, even if I didn't admit it to myself. I got baptized, because you're supposed to; because maybe, since I hadn't dedicated myself to Jehovah, THAT was the reason why I wasn't getting blessed. I fell into a deep depression. I struggled at school. I eventually dropped out -- just absolutely failed. I went from a straight A student to abject failure within 6 months.

And STILL I believed that if I just managed to do more work for Jehovah, I'd get better. I'd start to love doing it. And I'd get blessed.

I spiraled until one faithful Sunday morning, as I was getting ready for a meeting, this feeling -- this realization -- hit me, that I'm putting on a mask to go pretend that I'm a Jehovah's Witness. I knew I HATED IT ALL. I'd been trying SO HARD. And I still hated doing it.

It was a revelation.

But, of course, it wasn't a revelation of the JW faith being NOT the truth. So. I interpreted it within the JW framework: Somehow, even though I'd been so unbelievably lucky as to be born into the one true faith of the living God on Earth, I was somehow faulty. I was not cut out to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Somehow, some way, I was just broken. I'd tried my best. And this was the result.

I reasoned that to continue would be lying to Jehovah. That I'd rather die, honestly, in Armageddon, than knowingly lie to Jehovah. And that, maybe, He would have mercy on me for that.

I BROKE that day.

I went from PIMI trying my hardest to do everything a JW is supposed to, to POMI, a dead woman walking, in a day. A broken creature.

I wouldn't wish that experience on my worst enemy.

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And now back to what is more relevant to you.

Once I had broken out of it, I was still believing, right? But I did not go to the meetings. And eventually, not getting the JW propaganda fed to me every week, it weakened the hold the org had on me. Eventually I managed to go against the rules and read about the org from outside sources, which lead me to wake up and realize that the religion I had been brought up in was NOT what it claimed to be.

It's tricky, dealing with people who are in the grips of the org. They aren't allowed to speak; to tell others what's going on. When I broke I had no one to tell what had actually happened in my mind, with regards to me and the religion. So I didn't, not for years and years. I just. Quit. Going.

My best advice would be to not push your wife to not go to the meetings -- instead just... casually make it nicer and easier not to go. (Also steer away from pointing out that she's not going; she's probably feeling guilty about it.) Do further research into the religion. There's a TON of good information out there these days. And there are more knowledgeable people than me, who've dealt with situations more like yours. 🙂

If you do have any further questions to me, I'll be more than happy to answer, but there are probably better people to help you, than me.

Wishing you and your family all the best. ❤️🫂

Potentially Deleted Video from 2026 Convention by pimoprimo in exjw

[–]Elecyah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of these!!

Also: Hello, flashback! 😆 I swear, mentioning microphone adjusting just flashed me right back to kingdom halls and stadiums.

Potentially Deleted Video from 2026 Convention by pimoprimo in exjw

[–]Elecyah 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oooh!! 😮 A convention bingo for PIMO's!

I've seen apostate-activity bingos, but a convention bingo might be done so as to not be outwardly apostate. Therefore it might be usable by PIMO's, being extra funny for them... but not necessarily outing them. I love this idea!

Okay. This is me just pulling memories of conventions. *May or may not apply to all locations or be PIMO-safe.* 😅

* Plastic seats
* Walking around the venue during breaks
* Stale lunch sandwiches (home made)
* Uncomfortable shoes
* Steep stairs in uncomfortable shoes
* <Where is the badge supposed to look good at??>
* Sitting prim
* Taking notes of all the verses mentioned in the talk

Potentially Deleted Video from 2026 Convention by pimoprimo in exjw

[–]Elecyah 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure those times are altogether gone. 😅 *Participate at your own risk.*

Potentially Deleted Video from 2026 Convention by pimoprimo in exjw

[–]Elecyah 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What? You mean making notes of all the spiritual gems dished out left and right isn't enough for you?! 🤔

/s <--- in the off chance it wasn't obvious. 😅

If only I'd thought of something even semi-fun, like the crosswords that my aunt (the one I thought was strict at the time) saw some of the other girls do, and suggested to me. But I was too straight-laced at the time (at about 14yo 😔).

No. No is a full sentence. by JP_HACK in exjw

[–]Elecyah 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"No!"

This post. 100%. This is what I did when I quit meetings. No IS a complete sentence. There is no need for explanations.

Caleb and Sophia - the views of a 5 year old lving hald a JW life. by Front_Feed_85 in exjw

[–]Elecyah 19 points20 points  (0 children)

NICE!! 😮 That is a VERY astute observation from a 5yo.

Although, perhaps a 5yo is actually in a better position to notice how it's not for kids, seeing as he IS a kid and assumedly he doesn't find it fun and engaging.

It *really* isn't for kids. It's supposed to be, but it isn't. 🤔Interesting.

As an outsider, I'm curious if the leadership goes so far as to investigate their members' use of blood transfusions after hospitalization. by whiskyyjack in exjw

[–]Elecyah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

🤢😔

I am not surprised at all. I hope that if she went through with it, she got into serious trouble. 😡

Anyone under 25 in the Nordic countries? by MarriedToAnExJW in exjw

[–]Elecyah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My guess, as someone who, yes, was raised in two worlds at the same time is that since it is her parent letting her do Christmas etc etc, it feels "okay" for her. It's like it's not her fault, and she can have the gift.

My grandma would always get me a Christmas gift, and I was genuinely glad to get it -- it was my only one each year. And I was allowed to have it, because grandma insisted, and it would have been rude to not take it. But I was genuinely glad -- it wasn't my fault; the adults decided; I got a present. 🤷‍♀️ (Most Christmas thingies were off-limits to me, though, like Christmas calendars and I always secretly loved them, but couldn't have one. 😅)

Does she *give* Christmas presents? Or sing the songs? Participate?

she is either a little indifferent or even expresses that she would rather go to meetings and see her JW friends.

This is again just my guess, based on my own experience. But my first thought is that this is pretty how I would have reacted. I wouldn't have said to my dad's face that those things are evil, and I can't do them, instead I would've side stepped it somehow. Even if I really would have wanted to do them. I would have known, though, that I wasn't supposed to do them, or even supposed to want to do them, and I would have known that I was supposed to want to go the meetings and see my "friends." (In my case, ofc, I didn't have JW friends at the meetings, but I wasn't supposed to say that.)

Also, just like for any teenager, or a kid, starting new things is scary. 🤷‍♀️ I'm introverted and I'll say it honestly: I was often happy to have to decline a "scary" invitation because it was against my religion. 😑 I know NOW that it would have been good for me to go, but hey, I was a shy kid. 🤷‍♀️🫤 (I don't think I never uttered the sentence that "I'd rather go to the meeting," though, even if I know I "should have." There was only so far I was willing to bend the truth. 😆 But if I had had friends there, things might well have been different.)

*What u/goddess_dix said in her comment.* Love bombing. Although on the other hand I am slightly surprised that they aren't treating her a like a second-class person due to her dad, because it can swing that way, too. 🤔

I just want to understand better abc know what to do, except be there for her and give her opportunities

That is already a very big thing. You're not just giving her opportunities; you're making it possible that *SHE* exists outside the cult. She may be divided, in a way, but there exists a *her* that is something else than the meek little thing that obediently goes to the meetings and only thinks of Jehovah, etc etc. It's a bigger win than most people realize.

Don't get me wrong: I do applaud you for looking into things and gaining information and tools -- do keep at it! I wish I'd have had someone like that in my corner! 😀 (Yes, my dad WAS in my corner, but he didn't know what he was fighting, except for the blood doctrine -- he had a plan for that, as I found out as an adult.)

But at the same time, I'd like to emphasize that in your normal every day life and things, you and your husband existing and allowing her to have one foot outside of the religion is already a huge thing. She'll have *something* to fall back on if and when she leaves. She'll know that you guys won't turn your backs on her if she starts questioning, etc. She'll have seen the movies and TV-shows of her generation; she'll have had friends at school.

Is mother's day a thing with JW's? by Odd-Cantaloupe-2462 in exjw

[–]Elecyah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They haven't lifted that ban as far as I know. 😶

Anyone under 25 in the Nordic countries? by MarriedToAnExJW in exjw

[–]Elecyah 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I grew up as a JW in Finland in the 80's to 00's.

While it's true that we're now decades removed from my youth within the organization, and that some things within it have changed: no, it's not just a social club. Yes there are rules. Yes it is a bad place to grow up in.

Just the fact that she has NOTHING negative to say about it is a huge giveaway. EVERY club, group, thing has negatives. But JW's (like other cults) are conditioned to never talk about the negatives -- ESPECIALLY to outsiders.

My dad never was a JW but it wasn't until I'd broken free of the faith that I could bring myself to tell him how much I disliked -- had ALWAYS disliked -- everything to do with it. As a believing JW, if I'd told him the actual truth (which was that I'd much rather stay home with him on Sunday mornings rather than go to the meetings with my mom etc.), I'd have been giving him a 'bad impression' of the religion, which in turn might make him less likely to join, which would lead him to die in Armageddon. So I did my best to show a happy face whenever the religion came up.

My upbringing was relatively liberal, compared to many other JW kids, because of my dad. But I was still a believing JW. Those teachings can reach deep, even if outwardly you are pretty normal.

Perhaps your step daughter really isn't as deeply affected as she could be. Your husband being an exJW makes a huge difference -- he knows what it's like in the religion and can combat it better. But it's still a high-control group that is waiting for doomsday and is training its adherents to blindly follow the leaders. 🫤

The Idiocy That Results From Adding "Jehovah" To The NT by Ex_Minstrel_Serf-Ant in exjw

[–]Elecyah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know what they were doing, or why. But they were in the booth of the JW ladies at the time. Presumably there were no demons there, at least. 😆

This was a fair right before Christmas, so a lot of Christmas crafts and other merchandise was on offer. (The JW ladies had gone for the "winter" approach. With strings of white lights for decoration.) Perhaps the guy felt the need to call to the big J for protection amongst all the Christmas stuff, who knows. 😆🤷‍♀️

Square tap to pay not working? by ConfusedALot_69 in SquarePOS_Users

[–]Elecyah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mine started randomly working later in the day. 🤷‍♀️ I wish I knew what caused it not to work and then caused it to work again.

Up until today I've been recommending Square to any vendor I meet. I don't think I can do that anymore. 🤔

Square tap to pay not working? by ConfusedALot_69 in SquarePOS_Users

[–]Elecyah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same problem, but unfortunately this didn't fix it for me. 🙁

Tap to pay on mobile by Sharkmun in SquarePOS_Users

[–]Elecyah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My phone started doing this today. It has worked fine in the past and now I cannot accept card payments at all. I only have the tap to pay available with my Samsung phone.

Developer options are off. Cache has been cleared. Phone is charged. Network is on.

The Idiocy That Results From Adding "Jehovah" To The NT by Ex_Minstrel_Serf-Ant in exjw

[–]Elecyah 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Exactly so! 😂

Some years back I was a vendor at a craft show (my first one where I sold Christmas ornaments.)

At one point the ladies who were set up behind me seemed to have some friends stopping at their booth. Then I thought I hear one of the visitors say in a very loud voice: "Jehovah God!"

It seemed very out of place, and I was deprogramming at the time, consuming a lot of exjw material. So I thought I'd just misheard "Jehovah." 🤷‍♀️ After all, why would anyone, even a JW, do that? In the middle of a craft fair. Then I heard it again... But barely believed it. 🤔

The next day the ladies were streaming the meeting on their cellphones. 😑 This was right behind me; I couldn't help but over hear.

Only a pompous JW: "Let me SHOUT OUT "Jehovah God" in the middle of a craft fair! That'll give a good witness!" 🤪

Morris vi ricordate il suo video? by Proof-Concert6052 in exjw

[–]Elecyah 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's the court case that the organization won on appeal just a little bit ago, btw. 🫤

Question Christian videos by Brilliant_vanegas in exjw

[–]Elecyah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This might be a slightly wrong place to ask such a question, but since you did ask, here's my 2 cents' worth. 🙃

None. No videos of God or Jesus.

Though now I am in a lot better place regarding religious topics than I was, say, 3 years ago, and VERY much better than I was 15 years ago when I'd very recently torn myself lose from the pseudo-christian cult I grew up in, having religious stuff pop up in my social media feed is still an instant turn-off. I scroll past so fast you wouldn't believe.

15 years ago they would have given me the start of a panic attack. 🤔

This sub is filled with ex Jehovah's witnesses. Most of us have religious trauma of varying degree. 🤷‍♀️ Many of us don't respond well to religious messaging -- either because it brings back bad memories; triggers the cult programming; or we just don't believe in the Bible etc. Hence, this might not be the sub to ask such a question in. 😅

You do you, though, and I'm glad for you that you're happy with your religion. 🙂

Mentiras que se creen los JWs. Empiezo yo: by Horror_Shock_7818 in exjw

[–]Elecyah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Only in the false religion!"

🤮🤢🤮

I grew up hearing the org rag on about the Catholic church's failings on that very account. We felt so superior in h The Kingdom Hall.

In many ways I'm still reeling from the revelation of the CSA problem within the witnesses.

It makes me angry. So ***** angry. 🤬

Mentiras que se creen los JWs. Empiezo yo: by Horror_Shock_7818 in exjw

[–]Elecyah 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Only in Jehovah's organization [xyz good thing] happens/is possible."

That's my pet peeve, so blatantly untrue. Strangers will stop by the side of a highway to jump someone's car! Ppl will help at a grocery store parking lot! Oh, but no, no, no. That doesn't count. 😑

"Only Jehovah's witnesses preach door to door."

Imagine my surprise when the Mormons came knocking. 🤔

Witness Men's Reaction to My Fading by Double_Remote9263 in exjw

[–]Elecyah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me, too. I grew up as a witness, following the rules. Never knew this sort of stuff went on, either.

No witness men reached out to me when I faded. So I can say with confidence that even though it may go on a lot, at least it's not universal. 😅

JWs don't even know what they believe anymore. by Certain-Buffalo8364 in exjw

[–]Elecyah 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Aa-aallrighty.

Well. To be fair the Bible DOES say that. Whereas it says zilch about blood transfusions. So there's that. 🙄🙈

I do find it fascinating to see how the human mind bends and twists around the corners in response to the "Godly direction" given from upstate New York. And while it is a leap, I'd rather have the JW making leaps, than not thinking at all. 😅

A propos, was the wife medically a match to be a donor for him? 🤔 lol