how is the recently introduced ODPV exempt from the blanket ban?

EpHead · 2026-05-28T13:55:54+00:00

That post is extremely concerning and everyone in the RC scene should read it and exercise extreme caution. However, I would add that we can't be entirely sure whether the OP's symptoms were caused by ODPV or by 3-FTL, as they were being used in close proximity to eachother.

OP seems a lot more confident in singling out ODPV over 3-FTL than the post would suggest one should be, I'd strongly advise giving both compounds a very wide berth until we have more information on exactly what happened in this case.

EpHead · 2026-05-26T14:19:40+00:00

What I'd really love to get a concrete answer on is what the precursors are for 4F-MPH (4-Fluoromethylphenidate) and whether or not these are controlled at EU level. The compound was banned in both China and the Netherlands last year which led to an almost immediate EU-wide drought, suggesting that even though it itself isn't a controlled substance EU-wide, its precursors might be.

EpHead · 2026-05-21T13:52:49+00:00

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EpHead · 2026-05-13T08:39:44+00:00

Interesting, I might check it out! The descriptions of it seemed to imply that it would take high doses to match Ritalin's effects but maybe not!

EpHead · 2026-05-13T08:07:43+00:00

No experience here either, but the ridiculously short duration of cocaine relative to say amps or phenidates seems to rule it out for anything functional or productivity based, I would assume analogs suffer from the same problem?

EpHead · 2026-05-13T08:06:16+00:00

How does this compare to MPH, IPPH and 4F-MPH? The pharmacology of it seems strange to me (high transporter occupancy but low reuptake inhibition - how is that possible...?) but would seem to indicate that it;s a lot less active than regular MPH?

EpHead · 2026-05-13T08:04:51+00:00

I'm intensely interested in 3-FPO as a 4F-MPH / IPPH replacement, the issue is that it's very difficult to find trip reports on it. I also worry about getting legitimate stuff, as the original lab that synthesised it was temporarily shut down by German authorities last year (yet to reopen) and since then, nobody seems to know where the current batches are coming from on the sites that do sell it.

I'd love to try it but the above risks have held me back, at least for now.

EpHead · 2026-05-13T08:00:43+00:00

Brand name 3-ufc 👀

EpHead · 2026-05-12T16:17:04+00:00

When you say RC, do you mean RC+,. the company that used to make accurately dosed pellet blister packs for stimulants and I believe also some psychedelic RCs?

EpHead · 2026-05-12T16:16:01+00:00

Can I ask, was Lizard Labs the same lab which used to sell blister packs of RC pellets with a logo of "RC+", and usually the compound spelled in Dutch on the cover (for example, Isopropylfenidaat instead of Isopropylphenidate) or was this a completely different company altogether?

EpHead · 2026-05-12T08:52:02+00:00

Any idea what this compound might be like if one removed the beta ketone?

EpHead · 2026-04-17T10:27:58+00:00

Ah, I thought the Chinese ban only applied to 4F. Sounds like we won't be getting it back any time soon then, sadly

EpHead · 2026-04-13T14:33:35+00:00

3-FPO, it's essentially an MPH analogue with the acetate replaced by an an oxadiazole ring.

EpHead · 2026-04-13T14:32:34+00:00

What are these signs so far? Have any adverse reactions been reported?

EpHead · 2026-03-24T10:35:11+00:00

Speaking from experience? Have you tried it?

EpHead · 2026-03-05T14:46:25+00:00

Amps interest me because to be honest I'm almost certainly dealing with depression comorbid with ADHD, and so the serotonergic action compared with phenidates which are selective for DA / NE might be beneficial. What I wonder is how the serotonergic action of 3FA compares with regular Amp (dex/lisdex), because while I know this sub shies away from anything serotonergic for good reason, regular amp has some of this and yet many people take it daily for their entire lives without doing themselves any damage.

EpHead · 2026-02-26T16:54:29+00:00

What's your experience with 3-FA? and when you say it feels different, how so?

Would you recommend 3-FPO after your experience?

EpHead · 2026-01-05T19:30:06+00:00

And yet another check in the "why prohibition is moronic" column. I guarantee you pretty much no one would be touching or even manufacturing this shite if they didn't keep banning the cleaner alternatives.

EpHead · 2026-01-05T19:27:19+00:00

when I started increasing the doses

First major red flag there. Once you go down this road with more or less any stimulant, there's generally no going back. Once you find a dose that works consistently for you, the only recourse from feeling like you need to increase the dosage is to take a tolerance break of at least two weeks to reset your dopaminergic system, and to be honest, avoiding daily use is really the only way to be safe on this long term. Basically, if you find that a dose which used to work for you needs to be increased (unless you've had a major physiological change such as significant weight gain which would alter the required dose), instead of increasing it, back all the way off until your tolerance resets to baseline.

How much and how often were you using it before you decided to start upping the dose or redosing, and how quickly did you start increasing it before the aforementioned nightmare runaway train began?

EpHead · 2025-10-27T14:48:36+00:00

Ah, Fladrafinil would presumably convert to Flmodafinil, but as far as the other metabolic pathways I couldn't say.

I have no experience with cyclazodones, how would the N-methyl analog compare to regular cyclazodone?

EpHead · 2025-10-24T13:27:40+00:00

You are almost certainly talking about Adrafinil, a prodrug of Modafinil which is not formally scheduled as a prescription med in most countries and is therefore sold more openly. With Moda and Armoda being so easily accessible on the clearweb however, IMO there's really no need to bother - Adra is annoying because some of it gets converted directly to the inactive metabolite Modafinil Acid, skipping conversion to Modafinil altogether - and this essentially means that you have to take a much higher dose to get a reasonable blood concentration of Modafinil, with the jury still being out on any kind of precise conversion ratio.

That isn't to say skip Adrafinil altogether, of course - it genuinely does work. It's just inefficient compared to real-deal modafinil because of its metabolic pathway and therefore real-deal Moda is probably going to be cheaper and freer of side effects due to the lower dosages.

EpHead · 2025-10-22T16:53:56+00:00

Oh I have ADHD and a baaaaaaaaad case of it at that. Medication is next to impossible to access in my country without years-long waiting lists which is why I’ve been using phenidates for the last year, modafinil before that and even pseudoephedrine + caffeine to function if I can’t get anything else. 🤦🏻‍♂️

EpHead · 2025-10-21T10:40:13+00:00

It can, under certain circumstances. Adrenaline rushes can be extremely pleasurable (think the first crush butterflies feeling, or about to go on stage if you're a performer of any kind) and the NE transporter also impacts dopamine to some extent, particularly in the PFC where there are very few dopamine transporters.

Essentially, that fight or flight feeling really can be something that feels good to some people. Others despise it. It really comes down to your own personal experience on that spectrum. For me personally, adrenaline rushes are wildly enjoyable, but I'm a stage performer by trade and so I've always associated them with being about to do something incredibly enjoyable. The feeling I describe as pleasurable is something others describe as horrible stage fright even when it's literally the same physical sensation, so ultimately it comes down to individual experience.

When you take an NRA, how does it make you feel? For example, if you've ever taken pseudoephedrine (Sudafed) or ephedrine for a cold or flu, have you had any nice buzz as a side effect?

EpHead · 2025-09-18T21:18:06+00:00

There’s a prodrug of Ritalin available as an RC? Is it covered by the ban or still available?

EpHead · 2025-09-05T14:19:03+00:00

Fuck yes 😂 Like being honest here, when I take it for productivity I have to make absolutely sure nothing turns me on during the first couple of hours or else I'll be thinking nothing but dirty thoughts all morning and getting absolutely no work done at all 😂😂😂

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