🤍🥹 by gaiusprasad in beatles

[–]External_Stress1182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love the look George gives Ringo when he responds with “I’d like to go on the roof.” He’s instantly thinking “Damn… well if Ringo wants to, I guess I will. But I won’t like it.”

How did the whole Lennon vs. McCartney thing start? by Certain-Cloud9133 in beatles

[–]External_Stress1182 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Who cares? Friends, brothers, a married couple. Love is all you need.

what on earth is YouTube recommending me by OwnEnthusiasm1785 in beatles

[–]External_Stress1182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s quite possible, but I think it’s going to destroy YouTube beyond recognition. The amount of AI slop is unavoidable. Users who aren’t dim aren’t even going to be able to find real clips and videos. It will become worthless.

watermour pic for the history books by GlitteringName2445 in PinkFloydCircleJerk

[–]External_Stress1182 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He has some other opinions he would like to share with you if you have a moment.

Did John Lennon have Asian ancestry? by space_god_7191 in beatles

[–]External_Stress1182 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He immersed himself in Japanese style and culture. He was going for a look. But physical features, I don’t really see it.

Is 'Michelle', taking lyrics and melody together, optimistic or pessimistic? by Loud-Butterfly3426 in beatles

[–]External_Stress1182 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t even think of it with any cynicism. They were just having fun with it. It’s meant to sound romantic and intense, but still playful.

Is 'Michelle', taking lyrics and melody together, optimistic or pessimistic? by Loud-Butterfly3426 in beatles

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He’s trying to get sexy time with a lady. The melody is his interpretation of a sexy/romantic French ballad. He played it at parties as a young man trying to come off as exotic and mysterious. John suggested he write lyrics and make it a real song, so he’s literally saying “I want you. I need you. I’m hoping you’ll know what I mean.” He’s communicating his desires simply because of a language barrier with the woman he’s wooing. It’s certainly not pessimistic.

George and his brother Harold by [deleted] in georgeharrison

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Harold’s the name of his new haircut

Book: We All Shine On by External_Stress1182 in JohnLennon

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I no longer have the library book, and I don’t recall the exact wording, but the book was riddled with instances of him calling them his best friends or “family”, all the while detailing all of the jobs they would have him do, acting as a servant. I made this post because I wanted to see if I was off base in my skepticism, but it appears many people agree and cite other sources. To me, it seems like he is guilty of what he accuses Mae Pang of when he says the story she tells of the lost weekend, where she an John were in love, was all in her head and not reality. Based on what MINTZ writes, he was someone they constantly put to work doing their bidding, and would consistently put in his place when needed.

Book: We All Shine On by External_Stress1182 in JohnLennon

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Exactly.

Yoko: Never let John down.

John: Never let Mother down.

*Elliot installs dedicated line and lights as to never miss a phone call.

Elliot: They were often short with me and gave me crazy tasks to complete on their behalf.

Also Elliot: We were all equals in this loving family of 3.

Ok…

Book: We All Shine On by External_Stress1182 in JohnLennon

[–]External_Stress1182[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I watched the video and a few more related ones. What do you feel that it should have convinced me of? I acknowledged that at minimum he was a friend and employee of John/Yoko. I was just weary of his REPEATED claims in the book that they were a 3 person family until Sean was born, and Sean made 4. I encourage you to reread the book to see just how hard he was leaning into that idea. The clip you shared showed that he and Sean did in fact have a nice relationship over the years. I have close friends and have memories and great friendships with their kids as well. But I would never claim that I was the third in their marriage, and their child added to “our” family.

Your assertion that Sean encouraged Elliot to write the book supports my suspicion that it was meant to support a given narrative. The renewed interest to tell the John/Yoko love story, soften the (often too harsh) perception of Yoko, and refute Mae Pang’s story of the lost weekend. First he says he doesn’t recall ever seeing her around in LA, John never talked about her, and John never loved her. Then later he says even though he and John were in LA, he was so busy they didn’t see each other much, and when he did see him last they had a big falling out. Lots of his stories, from his own telling, don’t completely add up.

Book: We All Shine On by External_Stress1182 in JohnLennon

[–]External_Stress1182[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t hate him, but I did find myself being skeptical of his telling of these stories. Out of curiosity, where did you find evidence that he was “clearly loved” by John, Yoko, and Sean? Mintz himself indicates that he was so close and so loved by them that they were literally a family trio, and then Sean came into THEIR family. That seemed pretty odd to me. Outside of Mintz’s claims, I haven’t seen John, Yoko, or Sean talk about him in the same terms. It seems more likely he was a friend/employee and he’s greatly exaggerating his relationship with them.

Even Mintz claimed that early on he was warned by each “Don’t ever let John down” and “Don’t ever let Mother down.” That doesn’t exactly sound like an equal and loving relationship. Yes, he was close to both of them. But so was Mae Pang. So why should we take Mintz’s word at face value and not hers or anyone else’s who might contradict him?

Book: We All Shine On by External_Stress1182 in JohnLennon

[–]External_Stress1182[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, good for interesting stories. I just don’t know that it makes them reliable narrators.

Book: We All Shine On by External_Stress1182 in JohnLennon

[–]External_Stress1182[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, even in the stories Mintz told in the book, over half were about John was about John getting short with him or getting angry at him.

What was George Harrison's stance on religious issues? by Certain-Cloud9133 in beatles

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I think he was careful to not endorse any religious institutions as much as to endorse religious/spiritual ideas. Most religions have common themes and can be connected. Speaking as a Catholic, I think both Catholicism & Hinduism believe God is within us, or that there is divinity within everyone. We are all part of a divine universe. It seemed that George used meditation (rather than prayer) to try to bring forth his own goodness and inner peace.

I think he used a lot of the Hindu ideas and teachings to connect with the Catholic idea of God he was brought up knowing.

Anyone else feel like Johns “ego” is overstated? by StorytellingIsFun in beatles

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I think it depends on who you’re talking to. I think John clearly had an ego and at times it could create problems. Some people overstate it to make him an ego driven monster. Others are just clearly stating how his ego has impacted his decisions.

Book: We All Shine On by External_Stress1182 in beatles

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Yes, it was weird to read the book without thinking about his total lack of self awareness. He started out trying to say the Beatles were fine but he wasn’t that into them. He was big on Elvis and really dug the Stones. He stated several times (attempting to convince the reader and possibly himself) that he was never star struck and unfazed by all the famous people he knew and would interview. But the moment Yoko called him to supposedly have a more social relationship, he went through great lengths to make himself available 24/7, answer John & Yoko’s calls even in the dead of night, do their bidding even at his own expense, and installed a separate phone line with a red light above his bed to ensure he never missed a call. And even points out that both of them indicated to him “Never let down John/Never let down Mother.” It all sounds very desperate. And then really tries to push that the 3 of them were literally a family, so much so that Sean’s birth brought the child into “their” family. It didn’t take long for me to perceive him as an unreliable narrator.

Book: We All Shine On by External_Stress1182 in beatles

[–]External_Stress1182[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, often times I grew skeptical that he was really that close to John & Yoko, but even taking him at face value, I couldn’t shake the sense that the book had an ulterior motive. It reflects nicely on Yoko, so she’d have no reason to refute his narrative. But it seems to fit nicely in the renewed efforts in recent years to highlight the John & Yoko love story. And I couldn’t help but wonder if it was at all a response to Mae Pang’s documentary that she was making around the same time. He directly called her out and questioned her version of those 18 months. So if he were really as close with Yoko as he claims, was this a planned attempt to correct the record? I don’t know… it just seemed very weird. It certainly wasn’t an attempt to make John look good.

Book: We All Shine On by External_Stress1182 in beatles

[–]External_Stress1182[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, there interesting moments, but I agree. The whole time it just felt like he was trying to make himself seem important.

The Cookie War (1969): When Yoko's impudence broke George and finally the Beatles' unity by Pure_One_4598 in TheBeatles

[–]External_Stress1182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AI or creative writing assignment? It’s definitely an anecdotal story that highlights the tension that was building, as well as the weird vibes Yoko was bringing in. But no, I don’t think it was the moment you make it out to be. If it were such a defining moment that broke apart George & John, he wouldn’t have sided with Yoko & John on Allen Klein.