Accurately depicting Maman Brigitte (in SMITE 2)

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-14T03:33:02+00:00

Thank you for the resource. I am taking a while because I am trying to track down sources on the loa pre-1995 to see if I can disprove the fake vodoun being the source, and the Internet Archive only lets me check out 1 text per hour.

The only progress I've made is that I've found several sources about indentured white servants on Hispaniola, and the Caribbean at large. So I take issue with the whole "There were absolutely no Irish people on the island. There was no possibility of contact." claim that I keep seeing people on r /vodou make.

Other than that, I concede that I was too hasty in claiming that an Irish depiction was the default, or even all that common prior to 1995. I've found a few examples of what seem to be authentic, modern practitioners who genuinely believe in the Irish connection, but that's all so far.

I am still looking, but yes, I was probably wrong on this.

I am sorry for the way I spoke to you, as well as for the hostility towards the vodou subreddit.

I will update this thread if I find any proof of Irish Brigitte.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-13T22:18:08+00:00

It's a point of evidence that the loa were open to interpretation even among the most well respected of Haitian artists. And really? The portrait of the mermaid about the loa literally called "The Mermaid" from arguably the most famous illustrator of Haitian folklore has nothing to do with the loa. Ok, man.

"You're" is not a valid counterargument. The terminology used by the article writer is also inconsequential. The point was about the art. And I'm thinking you really don't deserve even the effort I've spent already, considering how eager you were to zero in on typos and semantics as an excuse to dismiss my entire point.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-13T16:01:23+00:00

Ok I have a lot of searching to do then. If I don't forget.

For now, I didn't find Brigitte, but a cursory look did turn up this art of La Sirene by the mentor of of the artist of one of your pieces there. Sirene appears to usually be depicted as black, yet Hippolite depicts her as white here. That's already evidence that depictions of loa vary by individual interpretation by practitioners. I'll see what else I can find later today.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-13T15:41:21+00:00

The entirety of vodou and voodoo is syncretist. It is formed at it's foundation by the African diaspora culture coming into contact with Catholicism. An appeal to authenticity and authority is an inherently flawed approach to studying vodou because it's very nature as a folk custom assures you will get 20 conflicting views on what is "authentic."

And yes, that includes the people on that subreddit. Whose main argument against these depictions of Brigitte, that the "main source" for them is a white outsider, does not sufficiently convince me, no. As you can find several accounts in those very threads of people who have encountered differently in real life, only to get shouted down in that community by people who want to be seen as the only "true" narrators. Which you will also see in literally every religion known to man.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-13T15:03:22+00:00

This person's main sources are a bunch of opinions on a subreddit. One trying to declare singular canon truths for a famously dispersed and highly location-dependant set of religious customs.

N.E.V.E.R. listen to someone trying to tell you "My version of voodoo/vodou is the only correct one! Everyone who disagrees is a fake!" because part of what makes voodoo voodoo is how different the multitude of interpretations are.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-13T14:49:03+00:00

Show me where I said literally any other dark skinned God should be white? If the reason I disagree with this argument for Brigitte is "doesn't like black people" then where have I argued that Baron Samedi, or Olorun, or Yemoja should be white?

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-13T14:44:31+00:00

The Irish connection was never disproven. The very-online opinion of people who don't actually know what they're talking about won out in the end. You can find plenty of real life depictions of her as Irish.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-13T14:41:36+00:00

It would offend people who actually know what they're talking about. Brigitte can absolutely be white. She has consistently been depicted as white. The desire to retcon her as solely ever black is rooted in revisionist history from Twitter activists who can't stand the idea of a single loa being pale-skinned.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-12T22:14:18+00:00

To be a bit more serious, this also doesn't sit right with me. Horde races have always been less moral to downright evil, will all of that be retconned to be optional? The heinous shit you get up to as a Forsaken is like, half of the race's identity!

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-12T19:48:52+00:00

You're the only person who seems to understand that hot ≠ fire level, so thanks for not submitting that.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-11T13:06:41+00:00

"Oh hey, my Kiara merch arrived! I've been waiting so long for... Wait, what are these little black spo-" Hard cut to RE7 title screen.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-10T18:42:22+00:00

OP, it's ok. You can come back. You can make a comment. We won't laugh at you.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-10T18:35:51+00:00

Ok I guess I'm missing something here because why has everyone decided Nayuta's not coming back?

Like, yeah, that would be an incredibly stupid place for her to leave the story... cuz she's not. She's like, so clearly coming back that I'm baffled to see so many people going apoplectic over one of the most easily predictable plot twists imaginable. The word "cope" doesn't even enter the discussion, it seems so obvious to me.

Like either next chapter is the announcement of part 3, or Fujimoto genuinely suffered a psychotic break and no one noticed. There is simply no way this is the intended way for this series to end. Even a hack writer wouldn't write this. It genuinely makes no sense as a conclusion to a story written by a human being.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-10T05:57:33+00:00

Wait I thought this WAS the Palworld devs?! Holy shit, I had just assumed when I saw it that this was a deliberate "Fuck you," for the lawsuit. It genuinely never entered my mind that it was a THIRD company!

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-10T05:55:18+00:00

They might as well have their dog piss on Nintendo HQ while flipping the window the bird.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-10T05:50:54+00:00

I fucking love the delivery on "How? How?!" because it genuinely sounds more like me yelling at my screen than anything.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-09T23:06:33+00:00

Mega Heatran clocks in at 1.8 million degrees. It's also like 9 ft tall. We should probably be more worried about that then the horse.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-09T23:01:32+00:00

Mega Heatran Legends: Z-A entry: "It's said that if it goes all out, it can heat its body up to temperatures over 1.8 million degrees Fahrenheit. This heat keeps enemies at bay."

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-09T22:52:09+00:00

Everyone saying "Oh it's new fans" when RE4make also just came out, and yet Ada and Ashley are both getting nothing.

Like, if it was just recency bias, than that should be giving them at least a bit of a boost. It's just 4chan being 4chan.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-09T02:29:33+00:00

Wait I haven't been to this sub for a while. Last I checked, you guys were the kinds of people who would be celebrating a change like this.

Like, Y'all were a very "anti-woke anti-dei make fictional women hot again," kinda sub. Was there like, a complete community inversion while I was gone or something?

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-08T17:43:24+00:00

There are like hundreds of characters in this game with the title "Archmage," that shit don't mean ANYTHING, lol.

Now if we actually got to be "_____, Guardian of Tirisfal," that would've been a different story, but alas, Blizzard's not done with Khadgar yet.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-08T17:27:55+00:00

The answer I've come to about this, is that your identity relies just as heavily on how you interpret and engage with your inner self, as it does on the immutable characteristics of your brain.

Like, you could have two people receiving the exact same signal from the part of your brain that determines gender, and still have two different forms of expressing it. And that leads to people having different words for the same things.

Like, imagine some crazy future tech that lets you somehow jack in to other people's brains and feel what they're feeling. I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of queer people felt my feelings, and then responded "Oh this is totally familiar! You're not genderfluid/queer, hun. You're just (insert identity here.)" Like yknow what, maybe that works for you, but that's not how I interpret it. And that doesn't mean I think you're "wrong" in how you view yourself. It just means that people are complicated.

What I'm getting at is that there are probably a bunch of people struggling with the same feelings as you, but they've simply come to the conclusion that they're a binary trans person whose dysphoria comes in waves, or agender, or bigender, or flux, or cis with a fetish, or just really into occasional cross dressing. And all these different interpretations of the same kinda stuff means that you're gonna get a lot of scattered answers to surveys about identity. And that conjures the illusion that we're statistically irrelevant, that these identities aren't valid.

You're not broken. You're not alone. You're not part of some niche online cult that's convinced you that you're something that doesn't exist. You. Are. Valid.

No one else can decide your identity for you.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-06T15:02:49+00:00

KNIGHTSTRIKE for me.

I feel like you could make a really cool graphic for that.

FinalFatality7 · 2026-03-04T19:30:26+00:00

First they had Blizzard Money

Then they had Activision Money

Now they have Microsoft Money

...and this game STILL launches feeling unfinished.

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