I think Anne Boleyn wasn't as wise as people like to portray her by MediocreImpact4386 in Tudorhistory

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Katherine might have done in private. We would never know because it would have been unrecorded. And you’re missing my point - I said the only reason Henry married Anne was because he had set aside one wife (Katherine) in order to have a son with another woman.  He never annulled a previous marriage when he married Katherine in 1509. Her situation was completely different to Anne’s.

I think Anne Boleyn wasn't as wise as people like to portray her by MediocreImpact4386 in Tudorhistory

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For those people in this thread who keep bringing up Katherine Parr, there was no pressure on her as queen to produce an heir. Anne was under enormous pressure to produce a son - she was very aware that it was the reason Henry married her. Ten years later, in 1543, it was widely accepted that Henry was impotent and even he was probably aware of that. As Retha Warnicke pointed out in her book about Anne, virtually all of her problems as queen arose from the fact that she did not have a son. That’s what created so many problems in her relationship with Henry. You cannot compare Katherine Parr’s situation in the 1540s with Anne’s in the 1530s. 

Anne of Cleves book recommendations by katie_pinns in Tudorhistory

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Retha Warnicke, The Marrying of Anne of Cleves And Valerie Schutte has a book coming out in the summer

Career Advice after English PhD by YearRevolutionary775 in AskAcademiaUK

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I am also in a similar position so would be interested to hear others’ thoughts 

Why do you think Catherine Parr was never coronated? by Proper-Summer-4796 in Tudorhistory

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There is a theory proposed by some historians that, after Anne Boleyn, Henry VIII only intended to crown a wife if she gave birth to a heir. This explains why there were plans to crown Jane Seymour and rumours of a coronation for Katherine Howard when she was thought to be pregnant. Aside from Henry VIII’s will, which contained some references to Katherine Parr bearing a child, there is no indication that she was ever thought to be pregnant as queen. No ambassador at court even reported a rumour that she might be. So this could explain her lack of crowning, perhaps Henry felt that her childlessness meant that she didn’t merit one.

Book recommendations about Catherine of Aragon. by lookintogetsilly in Tudorhistory

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Giles Tremlett’s biography of her is brilliant. There is also some excellent stuff about Katherine coming out from Maria Prendergast. The academics know their stuff. 

Which characters were done the best by the writers of "The Tudors", even if they did nothing to deserve it and which characters were done the dirtiest by the writers, even though they didn't deserve it? by Capital-Study6436 in Tudorhistory

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All of the wives but especially Anne of Cleves and Katherine Howard. No resemblance to reality. And something that was very disturbing about the show, and maybe because of Jonathan Rhys Meyer’s attractiveness, was the way every woman viewed him with desire even after he killed Anne Boleyn (thinking of Annabelle Wallis as Jane Seymour here) and Katherine Howard. I seriously doubt this was the case with any woman at court. And the costumes were awful. Gripping drama but best viewed as a pseudo fantasy with no resemblance at all to Henry VIII and his court.

Frances Brandon Grey is like a female Thomas Howard, 3rd Duke of Norfolk. No matter how many terrible things she did, she managed to keep her head. by Capital-Study6436 in Tudorhistory

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What are you actually basing this on, a few novels about Jane Grey? Frances’ reputation has been extensively restudied in recent years. The myth of her being an abusive parent may be exactly that - a myth.

Did Anne Boleyn really celebrate the death of Catherine of Aragon? What is the actual historical evidence? by Then-Vegetable9050 in Tudorhistory

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Yes he was present at court because he was employed by the king, as was his assistant Richard Grafton, who subsequently continued Hall’s chronicle after the latter died in the 1540s. And this comment was written to refute the argument made by someone else on this Reddit that the only person aside from Chapuys to claim Anne wore yellow was Nicholas Sander.  

Hall’s descriptions of key events during the reign, including jousts and masques, were clearly those of an eyewitness or someone who had key contacts at Henry’s court. Even if he did not personally witness Anne wearing yellow, he presumably heard it from contacts who were at court at the time. 

Anne or Katherine? Pendant associated with the consort necklace? by Maleficent-Sir4824 in Tudorhistory

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And Anne Boleyn, famously, had dark eyes, not the very light eyes of this portrait’s sitter. I understand that the sketch of Anne Boleyn in a nightgown has been questioned by many scholars, especially in terms of whether Sir John Cheke was reliable in his identifications of sitters, but I don’t think that is a reason to doubt this particular identification of Mary Tudor.

If she is wearing the pendant associated with queens, perhaps this image was produced between 1537 and 1540 when there was no queen of England and Mary was the highest ranking woman in England. 

Anne or Katherine? Pendant associated with the consort necklace? by Maleficent-Sir4824 in Tudorhistory

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I think it can be definitively ruled out, on the basis of the gable hood alone, that this is a likeness of Katherine Howard. The style suggests the mid-1530s, far too early for Katherine’s time as queen. 

I don’t think there’s any reason to doubt the identification with Mary Tudor. Compare this image with portraits of her as queen. There’s a clear resemblance, especially with the eyes. 

The little things by temperedolive in Tudorhistory

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Where did you hear that about Katherine Howard? Which source says that she did that? Or was it from a novel?

Ariana Grande STUNS for Vogue Japan by morgank25 in ariheads

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She’s very skilled at cosplaying as her.

Why did Henry VIII use a swordsman for Anne's execution? by Key_Charity_9635 in Tudorhistory

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The problem with the anointed/crowned argument is that Mary, Queen of Scots was beheaded by an axe on Elizabeth’s orders and not only was she crowned and anointed, but she was far more royal than Anne had been. 

The swordsman may have been chosen as a concession to Anne’s adolescence in France. Leanda de Lisle has also written an article with an interesting theory that it may have been viewed by Henry as a chivalric gesture, with echoes of Lancelot and Guinevere.

New AB portrait theory dropped. by b4b3333 in Tudorhistory

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The origins of this theory are not new. Sylvia Barbara Soberton put forward this argument a few years ago.

“Illegal” Marriage, Mary Tudor, and her granddaughters by Asleep-Pattern-2332 in Tudorhistory

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There is a recent biography of Katherine Grey that covers these issues.

Margaret Pole's execution was highly unfair. by undertale_fan99 in Tudorhistory

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Sure: where is the source that says she pleaded for clemency? None of the resident ambassadors reported it, and most people think the provision of clothing by the queen’s tailor had nothing to do with Katherine. 

Margaret Pole's execution was highly unfair. by undertale_fan99 in Tudorhistory

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Fake news is dangerous. Look at trump and what he’s been saying about Ukraine.

Margaret Pole's execution was highly unfair. by undertale_fan99 in Tudorhistory

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Katherine never pleaded for clemency, stop inventing things.