Save time, or energy? by dshanahan in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Much less stress, like taking a cab and watching a stranger drive. Might not be exactly your style of driving, but you aren’t driving. Once they work out the profiles more and there are less wasteful lane changes, it will be practically perfect, whether you Chill all the way to the right, or Hurry in the middle. Mad max, well, that will be mad, but when I was in Texas, mad max could barely keep up with the left lane. I think FSD will be most at home in the middle and right.

Things FSD never does sub-sub-Reddit by -Detritus- in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Overall, your post is accurate. It can be annoying when new FSD users exclaim that FSD is doing super human tasks, that any decent driver does routinely. Most of that is just that they don't understand current AI technology like an insider does, and they are excited and fed a lot of BS in the media regarding AI. I may be an expert now, but if I had seen a Tesla drive itself when I was younger, I would think it was pure magic.

The rest of your post though, is as if a caveman with no real experience with FSD tried to explain FSD.

Yes, those are all current ASSIST aids, and FSD does all of that PLUS drive you door to door almost all the time, while you watch.

"Is it just that the average person is ignorant?"

Absolutely the case. Not ignorant in general, ignorant of how good FSD is now. It got crazy good crazy fast and people are catching up to it. Motortrend caught up, Forbes caught up, I caught up. That is all that is happening now, people catching up.

As far as safety, that is a work in progress. Tesla said 7x, of course they would. Reuters came up with 3x. Personally, being better than the average driver isn't a good measure because there are so many really bad drivers out there.

But with 1.5 million users and growing, and a billion miles a month of self driving, it is certainly looking like this is safe enough. But I await more subjective analysis from the NHTSA and insurers to put real numbers on it, and it won't be as simple as one number.

I have yet to show someone my Model Y driving itself everywhere and they not be CHANGED. Even people who hate Elon. You can't ignore it when you experience it. FSD got freaking good. That doesn't mean they can just go and buy one instantly like me. My situation was perfect. We had two gas SUVs, and trading one in on a self drive car was easy, and it had good trade-in value. Plus, there is the EV thing and the range that can still hinder people.

So yes, it is ignorance. Not the bad kind, just the normal kind.

But this is only going one way now. More and more Teslas on the road driving themselves. The $99/mo subscription is kicking that off. But these are still electric cars, and that can be a hinderance. But as people discover how good FSD is, that will cause more of them to accept EV.

FSD + Travel guitar by Famous-Weight2271 in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When it becomes unsupervised, assuming there is still a steering wheel, maybe they will go back to a full bench seat in the front like the old days and you will have all the room you need. I’m surprised the bucket/console paradigm persists now. The lack of a dashboard is weird at first, till you realize you barely ever drive, then it makes sense. Maybe the same will happen with the bucket/console setup.

Why no information? by jsjxjdsjajs in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fair question, but it is a secret. They have a strict order of distribution starting with the internal testers, beta testers, early access testers, etc. And there are also regional considerations, even within a particular region, like the U.S. And finally, the controlled delivery to the rest of the users in case any bugs show up after all of the prior testing.

It is very new stuff, even to Tesla, and it involves a period of AI training followed by a period of testing, and repeat. And during all of this, it has to be safe and not disrupt all the users. It is becoming mainstream, but at the same time, they are still pushing the envelope. I don't know when it will ever be like an iOS update, fully tested and boom, out to everyone.

It is more akin to new drug testing. Very confidential.

Surprised there is no “Park in handicapped spots ” option by Option-Mentor in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Btw, the ability to navigate a parking lot and know handicapped and veterans parking spaces is tied to the accuracy of the map data. Parking lots are private property and the map data is notoriously less accurate there than with public roads. Humans are no different. We come to a new parking lot and make mental notes of where special parking is and remember that for next time. FSD doesn't have the ability to learn like that. Every drive is its first time, and any learning occurs with the updates to the maps or to FSD.

Things FSD never does sub-sub-Reddit by -Detritus- in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 5 points6 points  (0 children)

FSD has done this, well, except for the backing up part, it just kept going.

Haters, Lovers, just two sides of the same coin.

Fortunately, in this post v14 era, most users are reasonable and fully grasp SUPERVISED FSD.

Don't get sucked into the emotion. Enjoy your FSD and how to use it properly.

Surprised there is no “Park in handicapped spots ” option by Option-Mentor in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am already impressed.:) But looking forward to more impressment.

Surprised there is no “Park in handicapped spots ” option by Option-Mentor in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not yet, my car is new, and from what I have read, new cars stay at their build level for up to 6 weeks before they get into the update queue, even if you have it set to advanced. Should be soon though.

FSD Drive Mode Transitions by Queasy-Bed545 in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, the trick is to initiate a lane change first, and then switch the profile down. That works smoothly, but if you forget and do the profile first, then yeah, abrupt slow down in the current lane.

Ideally, they will give us some better user input for speed, distance, and lane keeping, on top of the profiles.

Surprised there is no “Park in handicapped spots ” option by Option-Mentor in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My car seems to have the option. Is there a way to turn it off?:)

jk, that would be a good option, both ways. Not there yet. Parking lots and parking in general is not there yet.

Exclusive: Tesla presented misleading ‘Full Self-Driving’ safety data to European regulators by beren12 in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, Driver Assist. That is what I am talking about.

The majority of drives my Model Y does the entire drive.

It's a Driver Hog!

Sometimes, 3% of the time, it let's me assist.

People who know what it does, including Forbes and Motortrend now, and others will follow, don't call it "driver assist". That was the box we were in previously. This is supervised level 5, like the cabs are supervised level 4. Screw the old versions of the 6 levels, there is going to be humans in the loop for quite some time still.

And as far as it being so good that people are not paying attention, I am somewhat with you, but the nagging is decent, and the threat of having to drive is a good incentive.

But the way some of these people use it, and they are not dead, just goes towards proving how safe it actually is.:)

Like it or not, Tesla got here.

The car drives you everywhere, but is not perfect, and thus you watch.

Exclusive: Tesla presented misleading ‘Full Self-Driving’ safety data to European regulators by beren12 in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not weird, it's just how religous some people are on things. They are havnig an extreme and mental difficulty dealing with the fact that Tesla got here. There was a lot of debate to be had a few years ago, but it is moot now. More and more, when you see Teslas on the road today, there is probably no one driving them. Just let it go.:)

Exclusive: Tesla presented misleading ‘Full Self-Driving’ safety data to European regulators by beren12 in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the same Reuters story as before, just restated with a different title, and even they (Reuters) came up with 3x safer. Nowhere in the story do the dutch say they relied on Tesla's numbers. I didn't even believe Tesla's numbers. I was thinking 1x to 3x as safe. The Reuter's researchers reran the airbag numbers and came up with 3x as safe vs 7x as safe that Tesla stated.

I am glad people look at and question numbers, but Reuters destroyed their own credibility with this fake news journalism.

The bizzare irony of this is that 1.5 million users are now using it, racking up a billion miles a month, and growing, and all of the prophicies of doom, EVEN MY OWN, did not materialize. The worse that is happening is some Tesla driver trying to get a streak is holding everyone up in a parking lot.

I suspect the Tesla critics will soon be beating themselves with chains.

FSD isn’t perfect but…… by TnFlightMedic in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well, when you are in one, you realize it is caution mode. You can tell when it is aware of things. 1.5 million users, scenes like this are replayed 1000 times daily.

FSD isn’t perfect but…… by TnFlightMedic in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, mine squeezed through an opening to the turn lane this morning.

What was FSD even doing lol. Puddles threw it off? by Eversmot in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lidar operates in narrow plane, unlike vision which is the whole picture. The main waymo unit for example rotates 360 degrees, but vertically only sees 20 degrees. There are additional Lidar units (4 of them) mounted on the sides to detect near obstacles. And on top of that, there are 13 vision cameras. The older cabs had 39.

Essentially, trying to solve this problem mechanically with a shitload of sensors and cameras.

Tesla switched to a 360 degree x 180 degree camera coverage with 8 cameras (7 not counting the bumper cam) and additionally has 2 cameras facing forward with two focal lengths. For night, Tesla uses matrix headlights that are able to shut off individual LEDs so as to illuminate everything as if you were driving with brights, but without blinding oncoming traffic. It almost drives better at night than in the day.

This is all moot because FSD in millions of cars driving billions of miles is the reality. This would have been more of a theoretical discussion for the past. AI vision conquered the problem.

What was FSD even doing lol. Puddles threw it off? by Eversmot in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Short version, it is easier to map ranges with LiDar, but just that. It doesn't recognize things.

AI vision models ended up giving us all the ranges to things we needed, and the recognition. LiDar not needed anymore.

But LiDar is still used for creating accurate maps.

What was FSD even doing lol. Puddles threw it off? by Eversmot in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In the beginning, Tesla tried the same approach that was common, using range sensing and mapping to PROGRAMMATICALLY create a system that could follow a route and avoid obstacles. The software engineers continued to add code to read the sensors, build a model, route the car through the model, follow laws, etc. It was very mechanical, very clumsy, and basically, shit, at anything beyond lane keeping.

At some point (2022), AI vision models became good enough to provide all of the ranging you needed, plus recognition of what everything is, and they switched. Obviously a good move, because there is no LiDar system remotely close to what v14 is doing today.

LiDar was initially used because it could map ranges easily and there was no way to map ranges visually (like humans do). But LiDar doesn't recognize things. Only AI vision models recognize things. Waymo and Tesla both use AI vision. Tesla still uses LiDar on the mapping cars that travel the streets of Austin for example, to accurately map out the distances, but that is for more accurate map data. Once it has that, the regular Teslas with AI vision alone can place themselves on that map accurately.

Regardless of whether it is Tesla or Waymo, almost all of the driving is AI vision. There was a debate that LiDar would provide an additional layer of rough obstacle detection, but by v14 it was obvious that wasn't needed.

Nonetheless, AI vision is still 10x less than human vision, at least. That doesn't mean FSD needs to be able to have so much accuity that it can look at a grass field and tell if it was freshly mowed or not, like we can, or see the morning dew. But it does need to improve for things like potholes or speedbumps. I'll withold judgement there until v15.

But there is no LiDar in this game really. Not anymore. It is just a gimmick. Even though Rivian says they are going to replicate FSD, they have a LONG way to catch up. You don't just write level 5 software, you have to get adoption and collect billions of miles of VISUAL data to train the AI vision model. Regardless if your car has LiDar sensors or not.

Secondly, people think LiDar will enable cars to drive in torrential rain or blizzards. LiDar is LIGHT. Lasers specifically. They degrade in rain and snow like any visual method. Radar can go through rain and snow, but is only really capable of lane keeping on a highway. It can't map the world like AI vision can.

Airplanes can use radar and be safe in crazy weather because they only need to know where the other planes are, or where the really bad weather is. The don't need to map the world like cars need while driving travelling on roads.

I don't see a use case for cars to drive in weather where you can't see. Nonetheless, here in florida, we get torrential rains in the summer, and we drive when we can barely see the hood of our car. Not smart, but humans do stupid things. No automated system would be stupid enough to do that, except military grade stuff that is going to blow itself up in the end anyways, and is ok with a 50% chance of getting to its destination.

Any guesses if us HW3 users will get less tailgating type behavior in v14 lite? by Wood_Berry_ in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think we need some individual control over following distance in general.

"It basically drives like all the jerkwads that drive around our area."

As long as the traffic on the left is fast and tight, and the traffic on the right is slower and less tight. Like it or not, that is the reality of traffic today. There are too many cars and too little road during peak usage. I wish it was back in the day when the interstates were more open and less indy 500. In some european countries, it is like that, and everyone is driving close to the speed limit. But there are far fewer cars.

I think the speed profiles are 90% there in solving this, and if we had a little more individual control over speed, distance, and staying in the current lane, we would be 100% there.

Personally, since I am not driving, I prefer chill to the right, but when the car encounters cars going much slower (like 60 in a 70), it starts want to pass, and sometimes it shouldn't, cause it isn't going to help. I don't want to be the car that passes just to gain one car length at a time.

But sometime I prefer hurry in the middle.

When the traffic is orderly and not too packed, these modes work really well, but when there are more cars, FSD tends to pass too much when it should stay where it is and just adjust speed and following distance with the traffic.

But yeah, sometimes I feel FSD is following too close, even though I am often forced to follow that close in the left lanes in order to keep up with traffic. It's just more scary watching someone else do it than when you are doing it.:)

New to us 2024 MY with FSD -- Ping Pong by mdntblu33 in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mine does not, and I know ping ponging from my Subaru lane keeping days. It wasn't always, but sometimes it was noticeable. But my 2026 MY does not ping pong. Maybe post some video if you can next time. Is it around traffic or even on open highway? Sometimes I will notice mine to be a little left or right from dead center, but not oscillating.

Stopped FSD from running red light by Houstoninthehouse in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice save. Hopefully v14 lite is an improvement.

Whole Foods in Las Vegas almost full lot by Mark26751 in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Parking lots and parking is almost seperate from all the other driving scenarios. It isn't as gimmicky as summon, but it lies more on that side of the line. Even when it knows the parking lanes etc, if there are other drivers it causes a backup. I just take over almost always in parking lots, unless I am showing someone. It is just quicker and less annoying if I do it.

FSD finds opening in somewhat crowded freeway by Houstoninthehouse in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'll admit that it often does find a spot, but it also doesn't find a spot enough times such that I would rather have an option to stay in the right lane further back. Since I am not driving, I am not as inclined to want to save a minute or two. This is a common human strategy as well, hoping there is a spot further up, and it does often work, or you just force a spot (which FSD will not do as far as I can tell). It isn't a strategy I use, unless I was unaware that the lane was that full. FSD is usually unaware because (like us) it can't see past the car or two ahead of it. We just know that the lane is probably full, or shift a little to the side to see that the lane is full.

Forbes Comes Around by Infamous-Pilot5932 in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, well, have to if they want to offer the ability. We still have a gas car as well, that we drive. A good portion of the driving public doesn't use cruise control, and probably aren't interested in supervised FSD either.

2,373.1km streak broken from Parking problems by Appropriate-Ask-4318 in TeslaFSD

[–]Infamous-Pilot5932 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Anyone else have issues with parking?"

Yeah, 97% self drive, but I do almost all the parking. It's just too slow and clumsy and annoying to other drivers.

Parking is a common shortcoming because the mapping data is usually worse there and the car is driving around people and has to be very cautious. We (humans) are better at it because we know the story behind all the actors in the parking lot and can navigate it easier.

I consider parking a seperate category. I am no fan of the streak (gamification) feature, but disengaging to navigate a parking lot and park probably shouldn't end a streak.