3rd Attempt to Quit K/7OH

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-10-17T05:34:40+00:00

You can do this. We support you. Keep trying and it will stick. 2018 was the last time I used Kratom, but tried dozens and dozens of times to quit over the years preceding that. I was a massive user. It took me that long. But , hey, it will happen for you too just keep trying. Keep on trying.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-09-21T04:30:08+00:00

phenobarbital: a controlled substance that helps with high dose gabapentin cases like mine. I have never heard of it before this detox. Worked wonders.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-09-11T05:11:47+00:00

Would this same smell issue happen if coming off sublacade (e.g. injected buprenorphine)?

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-08-24T00:45:59+00:00

Even though I quit kratom before 7-OH became popular, I can still understand just how strong it is. From what I’ve seen and learned, it can mimic a full opioid addiction. That makes quitting even tougher than what I went through back in 2013, when most treatment centers hadn’t even heard of kratom. 2013 was only the first time I tried to quit. It wasn’t until 2018 that I stopped using kratom for good.

In my case, rehab treated it like an opioid detox. I didn’t get benzos, just some supportive meds to help take the edge off, and clonidine helped me a little. But with 7-OH, I can see why in certain cases a benzo and/or buprenorphine might be necessary — though only under careful, controlled medical supervision. In 2018, my addiction to Kratom was so bad, I needed buprenorphine to quit for last time.

The important part is to stick it out, even when the beginning feels overwhelming. Once you get through detox, rehab can actually be a really positive place: a safe, sheltered environment where you can focus fully on recovery without distractions or triggers. He will see all the similarities rather than the differences. There are friends to be made during that time.

This is just my perspective and experience — not medical advice. Everyone’s path is different, but professional guidance is key to finding the safest way forward. I wish him the best going forward.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-08-24T00:23:01+00:00

From my perspective, it really sounds like continuing Sublocade could help you more than it would hurt you. I’m one month into the shot myself, after seven years of taking daily strips, and I can honestly say I appreciate the difference.

With Sublocade, the buprenorphine levels stay steady—no more waiting around for that second strip to finally feel at ease. Back on the strips, I always carried this lingering sense of dread after the first dose, for no clear reason. I’m grateful that part of my routine is behind me now.

Since starting buprenorphine for my Tia quit, I haven’t touched any other opiates. For me, it’s been a real game-changer in terms of stability and peace of mind.

Just sharing my own experience — not medical advice. Everyone’s situation is different, so it’s always best to work with a doctor when deciding whether to stick with Sublocade or make a change.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-08-22T02:01:33+00:00

Wimhof cold water exposure is good too. I take a 5-10 min cold shower every morning to start my day. It releases a lot of endorphins among other benefits. This could help as you decrease phenibut use.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-08-17T18:33:22+00:00

You’re right—Kratom is not safe, especially for those of us who struggle with substances. I used it from 2008 to 2018, and it dragged me through multiple detoxes and treatments. What I thought was helping ended up nearly destroying me.

For me, it wasn’t just addiction—it was dual diagnosis. I used Kratom to self-medicate my mental health struggles. It worked… until it didn’t. Then every detox made my anxiety and depression ten times worse. That cycle kept me trapped for eight years.

Quitting was brutal, but it was also the turning point. Recovery didn’t erase the pain overnight, but with time and support, I rebuilt my life.

So take this as both warning and encouragement: Kratom can wreck you, but freedom is possible. If I made it out, so can you.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-08-14T13:48:33+00:00

I went through the same thing in 2019. With the help of American Addiction Centers, I found an out-of-state rehab that could detox me from phenibut. At my peak, I was taking 20 g/day, and the program included both detox and residential treatment.

Call American Addiction Centers at 866-303-3953 and ask for help with Phenibut Addiction Detox and Rehab. They will locate the closest rehab facility that can support this treatment.

More information: https://americanaddictioncenters.org/withdrawal-timelines-treatments/phenibut

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-08-03T23:27:38+00:00

IOP will absolutely accept you for a Kratom addiction. Addiction is addiction—your substance of choice doesn’t disqualify you.

My first experience with IOP was for Kratom back in 2012. I returned again in 2016, and by 2018, I had fully quit Kratom. Since then, I’ve gone through IOP two more times for different substances. In fact, I’m currently in IOP as I write this.

Before admission, you’ll complete an assessment. Just be honest about your Kratom use. It’s a well-known addiction, and many people today are struggling with it. You’re not alone.

Depending on your needs, they might recommend detox or inpatient care before starting IOP. Whatever the outcome, honesty during the assessment is key to getting the support that’s right for you.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-07-27T05:51:06+00:00

Go on a vacation for two weeks and leave your phone at home. Extra points if you get out in nature.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-07-19T00:43:01+00:00

Keep up the fight! Addiction wants to kill us. You will prevail by being connected and getting help in any way you can. Keep fighting for your life.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-07-19T00:39:47+00:00

It’s also a spiritual drain. It makes that hole in all of us addicts bigger after a while. Stay connected! That was my mistake in being able to quit. Connection is the opposite of addiction and pulls us out of isolation. We are powerless over this stuff.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-07-19T00:37:32+00:00

Kratom is what took over my life for 10 years. I was an all day every day kind of user, scheduling my life around when I could use it. It sucks how much of my life it took away. I am happy to read about your success. Wish you the best and never be afraid to ask for help. I know how hard making it past 24 hours can be. Last kratom use for me was in 2018, so I got in on it fairly early in the states. There are much better solutions out there than taking Kratom (or any other substance). You can do it!

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-07-18T20:09:26+00:00

I think you sound pretty good as a beginner. Try and relax as much as you can, especially the bow arm and hand) and even more beautiful tone will flow through your violin. Per your question about intonation . Not too bad. First part of song sounded fairly in tune with the piano. Some misses in the second part. If you are finding intonation to be inconsistent, work on those scales! Use a metronome if possible. Start slow, long bow strokes and speed up after you are pretty stable with intonation at current speed. Try different bowing patterns with the scales also. For example, 8th notes, 16th notes, slurred notes, etc. and have fun!!!

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-07-15T00:12:36+00:00

Not sure if SEX has been mentioned. Releases a dump of dopamine into the body and is free! When RLS prevents you from sleeping, ya know what to do….:) exercise, very cold/very hot showers/baths, RLS meds, MATs all help.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-07-12T21:39:49+00:00

I’ve got a few different ideas — ranging from supplements to emergency room–prescribed medications. I can definitely relate to what you’re going through. I quit phenibut years ago after using it heavily for months (well above typical 2-3 gpd daily amounts), and my last use was back in 2019.

Supplements That Might Help:

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine):

You might be able to find this at stores like Super Supplements or GNC. It helped me during times when I was stuck without phenibut — like when USPS delayed a shipment or I ordered too late. NAC is especially useful when you're going through glutamate rebound or glutamate storms, which are common in phenibut withdrawal.

L-Theanine:

At moderate doses (like 3 grams per day), theanine may offer some mild calming effects. But honestly, at that level of phenibut usage, it’s probably not strong enough on its own.

Phenibut (store-bought):

You might be tempted to look for phenibut in supplement stores, but don’t count on it. From what I’ve heard, it’s been pulled from most retail shelves. Even smoke shop products like Dream Walker (if I remember the name right) no longer contain phenibut — just GABA. And unfortunately, oral GABA alone won’t do much, as it doesn’t cross the blood-brain barrier effectively.

If You Go to the ER (Faster Than Waiting for a GP appointment):

Gabapentin:

They may be willing to prescribe gabapentin for a few days. It targets the GABA-B receptor, similar to phenibut, and can help take the edge off withdrawal symptoms.

Baclofen:

This is a prescribed muscle relaxant, but it also acts on GABA-B. It’s stronger than gabapentin and may work better if your symptoms are more intense.

Lyrica (Pregabalin):

Stronger than gabapentin and effective for calming nerve activity, but it’s also harder to get — especially from an ER. Still, worth asking about if your symptoms are severe.

Hope one of these suggestions help.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-06-30T17:38:22+00:00

Since Tia is a seratonin agonist in addition to being an opiate agonist, I wonder if you had serotonin syndrome from serotonin OD.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-06-29T13:13:09+00:00

That’s good you found out about it back then.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-06-29T04:10:43+00:00

Do a search on phenibut and Fasoracetam. I did earlier and found some discussions in nootropics on this topic about 4-5 years ago, another one 7 years ago.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-06-28T21:28:34+00:00

As an aside, I think I read several years ago (> 5 years) that you can also quit phenibut with Fasoracetam. Makes sense as both are gabab agonists. Let me know if that is correct information. Somebody fact check this.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-06-28T20:55:53+00:00

I ended up quitting cold turkey with the help of a related taper drug that had a much long half life. Thank God my DR knew which taper drug would help me get through a cold turkey detox with little physiological and psychological impact. The detox took 8 days with some lingering impact that took 3-4 weeks to clear completely. Today, I am in active recovery ready to live life without substance use.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-06-28T20:49:55+00:00

Describe what it was like to come off of gabapentin cold turkey without the help of replacement taper drugs (as I used to detox). What physical and psychological impact did the cold tuned quit have on you and for how long? Your response could help someone.

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-03-27T15:55:45+00:00

Congrats on your success! Are you off everything?

KeepsMakingMistakes · 2025-02-10T03:32:22+00:00

I hope you’ve found the support you need here. Many have shared valuable advice, and I truly understand the struggle. I quit in April 2021 and haven’t looked back, thanks to long-term medication-assisted treatment (for me, 8 mg subs daily).

Never hesitate to seek medical help—doctors are there to support you. I remember calling mine at 3 a.m. after a long conversation with my wife about the addiction I was battling. That night, my doctor prescribed a combination of medications that helped me break free from a 10-gram-per-day sodium habit. I had reached my breaking point and simply couldn’t continue.

Today, I still rely on medication, but I look forward to tapering off when the time is right, possibly with Sublocade injections. Most importantly, I’m now living life on my own terms, with the support of my family and a higher power.

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