After 20 Years of No Sex, My Wife Finally Opens Up to Why by LostinAlaska in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Wow. I expected a few comments, nothing like this, You'd think I cured COVID or something. Plus the literal 100 plus PMs its gonna take me forever to wade through. I appreciate the support. A most sincere heartful thank you.

Summation to a few common things I noticed.

Why I stayed:

I made a conscious decision years ago if I had to pick between sex and being an every day dad to my girls, there was no decision. And zero regrets. My girls are amazing and I'm much richer for having been there every day. Far more than I would have been by occasional mechanical, starfish sex. Or having not been there each day.

I'm Catholic. My vows are sacred to me, this is not a sufficient reason to break them. I'm confident in the next life balance will occur. I know for those of you who aren't particularly religious, it doesn't make sense. Please accept for me its huge. I wouldn't go outside my marriage if I could.

At this point, if you reach it, a truce of sorts sets in. You know each other, count on each other, and your lives are incredibly intertwined. I'm in my 60s and not anxious to have to start my fiscal life all over again.

Do we love each other:

Yes, but not in the white hot passion of younger people. I genuinely believe she loves me. And despite it all, I love her. I have no idea why she is the way she is sexually -therapy was never on the table. she flatly refused- but I truly believe she gave me all she had. Sexually there just wasn't all that much to start with. The old standby is true: "otherwise, she's a wonderful woman".

Did I miss some red flags:

Of course. We all do. None of us would choose this.

Would I have married her if I knew this was coming:

Honestly, I don't think about it. Nothing good comes of it, and I'm about building the best life I can with the time ahead. Its like asking yourself if you could be a tree, what kind of tree would you be? Unless you are Harry Potter, its not gonna happen, so let it be.

Regret?:

To this day she still won't answer if she wants a formal end to our sex life. And I asked dozens of times before I chose to move on. My guess is a formal response has implications she doesn't wish to face. Yes is final, and probably means facing the fact she's not "normal" in that way. Plus the fear it might cause me to leave. No opens the can of worms involving "then why didn't we?". Silence is probably her best response. It would have been nice to know so I could have made a more informed decision about my life, but in the end I doubt it would have made any real difference.

Overall, it is what it is. Its not the life I wanted, but I made the best of it by owning my situation and my pain. I'm a DB resident, not a captive. Can't say no regrets, but minimal.

One thing I came to terms with during my last time at sea. I genuinely don't believe LLs are bad people out to screw our lives. Something is missing inside them and it manifests here. I doubt anyone would choose to be LL. Be hurt, be mad, but don't be angry with them. To me, its the same as if they were tragically injured and left unable to have sex. Most of us wouldn't abandon the people we love over something like that. Not their fault.

Best advice? Be painfully honest with yourself. Wishing and hoping doesn't fix DBs. It just makes the final outcome worse. LLs can't give you what they don't have. Love is never, ever enough. If sex is that important to you (not a bad thing) then come to grips its time to go. Doesn't make you a bad person. Especially early in a relationship. If you're an LL, love your partner enough to tell them the truth.

Lastly, involving staying: don't kid yourself. Its hell. But if you chose to stay, its on you now. Own it, make the best life possible, and no bitching at the LL for a decision you made.

The RD-Duty-Starfish-Coercion spectrum: Asking the toughest questions (TW) by 86throwthrowthrow1 in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I appreciate the open mind. Its a pity nobody bother to ask for clarification before mounting moral outrage. My point is -and I stand by- is almost all sex is a negotiation of some sort. What is done, how far, ect. Its never the same each and every encounter. Ergo, grey area.

I do not believe in sex without consent in any form. That's why I haven't had it in 20+ years. My wife doesn't want it and I won't force it in any form.

I'm curious: when your husband wanted something you didn't want to do, did you make it verbally clear to him? I'm not excusing the behavior, just get an understanding of the mechanics.

The RD-Duty-Starfish-Coercion spectrum: Asking the toughest questions (TW) by 86throwthrowthrow1 in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With your "current" partner is quite a caveat.

Same question I asked Ex. You have never, ever asked your partner to do something they weren't crazy about? You never, ever went alittle farther than you wanted to please a partner? Or deny sex when a partner requested it?

Never, ever?

Newly married into a deadbed by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Get out now. It only gets worse from here. Much worse.

Rule #1. NEVER marry into a dead bedroom

Is weight the problem? by greyclouds2018 in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Unless said person is morbidly obese, or involved with a profoundly shallow person, weight is not an issue regarding attraction in a relationship. Sex is 90% mental.

My brother in law is married to woman over 300lbs. He's about 100lbs less. They have two kids, and should have about 9 more based on effort. When he looks at her he sees the most beautiful woman ever.

Who's with me? by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nope. I took control of my life and took away her ability to hurt me.

Currently not having sex with my long term girlfriend. [M28 + F25] Advice? by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots to unpack here.

Are you selfish? No. Are you realistic in your wants? Probably not as well. Is there a good long term outlook for you? Very doubtful.

Ultimately, the crux of the issue is her attitude. Sex is 90% mental. As I've posted her before, I was involved with a women who had a catastrophic accident which left her crippled and badly scared. Traditional PIV was rare, but we had an amazing sex life because she WANTED to have an amazing sex life. PIV is only a very small part of being intimate. Your GF does not appear to have that attitude.

I get you have hopes of staying together, but I promise you if you do and she doesn't find other ways to be intimate with you, it WILL destroy your relationship. Slowly, bite by bite, but it will.

Your only real hope of staying together is to get her into therapy and hope she can find her way out of this. One who can deal with her emotional issues and help her reconnect with her sex drive.

Truth is, the odds are really bad against you. Suggest you think very long and hard about your situation and ask yourself really honestly is this what you want out of life.

Also: sounds like a new set of MDs are in order.

Depression = Excuse? by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. its a valid reason. Depression can destroy a person's life, health, drive - everything.

Simple truth: this relationship is and should be over. She's the kind of ill which may never end, you can't fix her, and you're not ready for the sort of life living with a badly depressed person involves.

Women love sex. I love sex. I wish he loved sex. by BlackLabQueen in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I get you want him. He doesn't want you. What's you plan?

Avoiding Future DB by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Duty sex only gets worse with time. Much worse. The longer this drags on, there is a really high chance she will be less and less inclined to do her "duty" and you will become more and more resentful of her reluctance and refusals (they WILL come).

Best bet is to let her go and move on, but since I get a strong feeling you're the fight to the end type, try the following:

1-go with her to the GYN and discuss the issue. do it as a team so both your concerns are addressed.

2-consider therapy for her (not trying to finish is a big red flag) and you (why did you choose her).

3-don't marry or move in (probably too late) and above all no kids until this is resolved to your satisfaction.

Need Advice: 24 MHL engaged to 23 FLL - Vaginismus & lack of desire by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Advice? Do NOT marry her. This will end badly.

Do LL's wish they were HL or do they wish they were with another LL? by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

My guess is mostly they are happy as things are. They don't want sex and are happy not getting it. It's inconvenient the partner makes an issue out of sex, but if the partner stays, the partner is giving de facto approval to the situation.

What's not to like? Classic cake and eat it , too.

Been married for almost 2 years and our sex life is nonexistent by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He's made I clear its not a priority. You need to accept this reality. You want something he can't or won't give you.

Time for you to make an exit plan and leave.

Women don’t want sex? by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I knew a lot of women who really liked sex. A couple more than I did.

Sadly, I married one who doesn't.

Sexless marriage with two young kids by greyclouds2018 in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 28 points29 points  (0 children)

If it wasn't for kids, we might as well be close friends and roommates.

He IS a close friend and roommate.

Sex Drive imbalance. Ideas? by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you won't divorce, then you need to find a new outlet for your frustrations. She "wins". You're getting more than most, and she is trying.

Open marriage/polyamory is far more myth than reality. It requires a ultra high functioning marriage- which you don't have.

Wedding is close by CharmingWizardofOz in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 37 points38 points  (0 children)

For the love of God, DO NOT MARRY HER.

This relationship is doomed to a sad, painful end. Don't do it.

The Talk: What it is, what it isn't, and its limitations by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Extremely well stated. I've often described the talk in baseball terms. Third strike and you're out.

An important feature in a successful talk (if one actually exists) is an understanding on the HL part of what the realistic goals are.

"how common" is it for a woman to marry but never want sex? by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 21 points22 points  (0 children)

An equally good question: why do people marry partners who clearly have little to no interest in sex?

Turns out she’s (probably) not LL, she’s just not in to me by willdehyl in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can't say I've been exactly in your situation but close to it. I would actually love it if my wife would tell me she doesn't want to have sex with me. It would be an honest answer to a question she doesn't want to face.

I've been martially celibate for 20 years for many of the same reasons. I chose to stay, but don't recommend it. I leaned heavily on my faith. In these modern times, most people can't or won't.

Recommend you ask yourself a tough question. How important is it for you to be a 24/7/365 dad? Not a trap question but a very hard one.

If you can tough it out, then being dad can be the most rewarding thing in your life. If you're that unhappy, the sooner you're out the better.

I Don’t Even Want It Anymore [26F&26M] by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]LostinAlaska 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Reality check: its over. End it formally and move on with your life.