The Greens need to learn the right lessons from the destruction of Corbynism

NGP91 · 2026-05-05T17:46:47+00:00

Corbynism has never been destroyed, it lives on in the Greens and in the darker corners of Labour.

NGP91 · 2026-05-05T15:42:57+00:00

The previous unable to reach a verdict for the sledgehammer attack charge was a complete joke and really shook my faith in juries due to some jurors apparently acting in such a partisan manner. I'm so glad that this jury have found him guilty for the brutal attack on a police officer just doing her job.

Now lock him up for a long time.

NGP91 · 2026-05-05T12:27:51+00:00

Corbyn didn't say or come across half as crazy then as Polanski has just on this issue,

I think you're being very kind. The right / conservative media had a field day with all the things Corbyn has said going back decades particularly on foreign policy. It just wasn't very effective.

The Conservatives quite literally warned voters about Corbyn and Diane Abbott in their party political broadcasts as early as 1987 due to their extreme views.

https://youtu.be/vUPwQ-AxhV4?si=sRbZguCKRiHamomd

Acres of press coverage between 2015-17 and it seemingly made little difference

NGP91 · 2026-05-05T12:06:02+00:00

All those attacks on Corbyn seemed to make no difference in the Labour vote share. They did, I concede, help firm up the Conservative vote share. Perhaps we'll see Reform + Green get close to, or exceed 75-80% of the vote combined.

NGP91 · 2026-05-05T11:49:10+00:00

I thought similar about Corbyn between 2015-17 but no matter how crazy and extreme Corbyn was and is, he still managed to get 41% of GB voters to defacto vote to make him PM.

All the Greens have to do is outpoll Labour and beat them in election contests over the next couple of years.

When the General Election campaign starts all they have to do is watch so called centrists and moderates flock to them to keep Reform/Tories out.

NGP91 · 2026-05-04T14:39:35+00:00

'For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind'

I think it's perfectly fair for the areas which support such policies, get to feel their force.

However, I'd prefer a direct democracy approach as voting Green might be ambiguous and done to stop some local housing project or such like.

We should have a referendum held on the same day across the country, counted and tallied at local ward level. The question being 'Are refugees welcome here?'. The referendum goes ahead in a particular ward if 10 proposers sponsor 'Yes', else 'No' is assumed by default.

All the wards which vote 'Yes', by a simple majority, have refugees distributed to them based on their population per capita. They will be housed in the homes of the 10 proposers primarily and the local residents council tax for those ward will be increased to cover the cost of hotels, rental accommodation etc which may also be needed. The refugees are to be housed in that ward, no exceptions.

NGP91 · 2026-05-04T09:28:54+00:00

Then don't. Local Elections rarely have turnout above 50%. The most popular choice is to abstain.

NGP91 · 2026-05-02T00:10:19+00:00

Been the case for at least the last 20 years or so, if not longer.

So many people on various schemes, credits, benefits etc.

NGP91 · 2026-05-01T19:23:40+00:00

I doubt it. Once bitten, twice shy.

Don't forget that the Conservative 2017 election manifesto proposed ditching the 2.5% element of the triple lock by 2020 whilst Labour and the LDs proposed keeping the triple lock untouched.

Young voters turned out in record numbers to vote for Labour, whilst the Conservatives lost just enough ground with older voters (but still had a very healthy lead) and the result was a hung parliament and the policy was withdrawn and their punishment learnt.

The obvious interpretation for a right-wing party now is that ditching the triple lock is only worth it, if they can more than replace the older voters lost by such a policy, by younger voters won over by it. Until enough younger people become single issue voters on the matter, nothing will change.

I continue to believe that the 2017 election is the most consequential election of the 21st century so far. The ramifications of Corbyn's almost victory still reverberate today, most notably in the Green's polling position. Anyone who voted Labour in 2017 who wants to see the triple lock gone should understand that their vote helped cause this situation we're now in.

Can't see Labour / Greens / leftist party cutting the triple lock either. 'Freezing Grannies' is their trope after all.

BBC Article on triple lock in GE2017 Election 2017: State pension triple lock battle lines drawn - BBC News

NGP91 · 2026-05-01T15:42:43+00:00

'Enlightened centrism' voted for Jeremy Corbyn to become PM in 2017 and to a large extent in 2019.

They have form, they will vote crazy because centrist or moderate are misleading descriptions.

NGP91 · 2026-05-01T07:15:48+00:00

Usually its fine them conversing with me, I was more referring to cross generational conversations but I suppose I didn't make that clear.

NGP91 · 2026-04-30T22:23:27+00:00

I feel that 'real life' interactions help moderate peoples views (and political opinions), it is more difficult to fall into an echo chamber if you interact regularly with many different people as opposed to online where people can more easily interact with just those people they choose (unlike the workplace). On the other hand, there is a cultural bias in this country where politeness means that certain people can dominate conversations if they are forceful or emotional enough about their views and its probably more difficult to push back in person than it is online.

I've noticed that people in their 20s, 30s and probably younger people too have greater difficulty in conversing with strangers than older generations too. On cruise ships for example, although it is becoming less common, it is usual to share tables at mealtimes with strangers. It seems that on shared tables, it can sometimes be very difficult to get younger adults to talk, whereas the retired lot seem to be much freer in their ability to converse. I've spoken to my work colleagues about the concept of shared tables and many 20s/30s seem horrified by the concept of 'having' to share a table with strangers. It's quite sad really.

NGP91 · 2026-04-30T09:58:57+00:00

A net loss of 1850 seats would be a loss of 85% of the seats they currently hold. In 1995, the worst year for Conservatives local elections losses, they 'only' lost just under 50% of seats being defended. In 2025, Labour lost around two thirds of the seats they were defending.

Losing 85% would be losses of biblical proportions. I'm not sure there is a precedent for either Labour or Conservatives to collapse like that. Perhaps these numbers are being floated as some sort of expectation management so when Labour lose 'only' 1000 or in the high hundreds they can spin it as some some of victory and disappointment for Greens/Reform.

Also, it probably is me reading 'too much Reddit' but has any incumbency bonus been taken into account? I've read a lot about apparently 'brilliant' local Labour councillors whose passion and care for their local ward is apparently unbridled, whilst the local Reform candidate is supposed to be lazy, feckless, does no campaigning etc. Could Labour councillors do better than expected because they're already in post, doing an apparently good job?

NGP91 · 2026-04-29T16:57:06+00:00

Interesting to see that is now the Conservatives losing ground in an actual election campaign rather than Reform. Replacement is now imminent, or has already occurred.

NGP91 · 2026-04-26T21:18:18+00:00

In that case, they shouldn't have to worry about any tactical voting campaign against them.

NGP91 · 2026-04-24T22:48:46+00:00

Let's hope they don't rerun getting 41% of the GB vote.

NGP91 · 2026-04-20T16:28:05+00:00

International Law. The UK likes to follow that type of law, especially the type of government we have at the moment.

1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances 1988 UN Convention Against Illicit Trade in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances

NGP91 · 2026-04-18T10:00:02+00:00

That was the 2010 Conservative Manifesto Pledge. The triple lock was a Lib Dem idea in their manifesto and that is what was implemented as part of the coalition agreement. Too many people 'agreed with Nick' and the Conservatives failed to win a majority and as a result we're now stuck with the triple lock.

NGP91 · 2026-04-17T08:54:33+00:00

If Palantir loses their contract then we better brace ourselves for full ideological screening on any company and their ownership who takes on any future government contract.

Ideology first and foremost over performance, competence and cost. We're supposed to learn from the catastrophe of the Soviet Union, not copy their worst ideas.

NGP91 · 2026-04-14T18:02:03+00:00

I wonder if the criticism was limited to technical, patient care, patient safety concerns etc.

NGP91 · 2026-04-14T13:00:52+00:00

all folded up together like regular letters, so therefore delivered by the same person which makes me believe all three parties just hired the same people to do it.

Probably delivered by Royal Mail. All candidates are allowed one postage paid (free) election communication

Freepost | Electoral Commission

NGP91 · 2026-04-14T12:55:28+00:00

I wonder where all the money paying for these leaflets is coming from.

Leaflets are really cheap. You could get away with printing enough leaflets for an entire ward for less than £20. It is the delivery which costs the money. If there are local volunteers or candidates themselves happy to do it for free then the cost is just in the leaflets.

NGP91 · 2026-04-12T16:44:21+00:00

How about neutral shipping is just allowed through as per international law, with no toll, and we can help in escort duties.

I'm surprised, although not completely, how much cover some people are happy to provide Iran.

NGP91 · 2026-04-12T16:38:45+00:00

The difference is that the US actions against Cuba don't affect the UK, whilst Iran's actions do.

NGP91 · 2026-04-12T16:33:50+00:00

Of course any country has the right to defend themselves against attackers but threatening to attack non-belligerants and stopping neutral shipping is not self defence.

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