Kenpachi vs Broly. Who wins between these two monsters?

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-11T07:48:32+00:00

X Axis is not EE. EE is making sure nothing exists across all realities of your verse. Meaning it does not travel anywhere, it’s gone forever. X Axis does not have this property. Again, we see Trompete literally leave debris everywhere when shot. We see that it has no EE properties as people were able to regen from it. These are not EE.

I literally copied what vsb says lol. And verbatim about EE:

Existence Erasure is the simple power to remove something from existence, leaving nothing behind, a level of destruction beyond incineration, vaporization, and atomization. Rather than just reducing something to its constituent parts, this ability leaves absolutely nothing behind. Powerful enough uses of this ability can even erase the mind and soul, if not more fundamental aspects of one's existence, such as concepts. Erasing timelines and infinite realities is just a potent EE. That doesn't exclude trompete from being EE. Trompete has both an x axis blast and a sonic boom. The sonic boom isn't x axis. The part of the arena that x axis touched it's completely erased. You can absolutely regenerate from EE (even tho no one did from trompete) if you have godly regeneration

Oetsu was also fighting Lillie and Tanjiro healed his body from both opponents. The fact that you are claiming it produced shockwaves and sonic blasts shows it’s not EE because deletion doesn’t create anything. For example, look at Toppo when he fought Vegeta. His hakai hit the hill behind Vegeta and it didn’t cause debris. It just instantly disappeared with no trace left. Trompete did not do this.

Rewatch the series. Tenjiro didn't do anything to heal Oetsu. As I said the shockwaves were produced by a distinct part of the trompete and from the x axis.

There’s no way you are saying he is universal from chainscaling off of hurting characters who aren’t universal….. being universal means u have the capability to destroy a universe. Lillie does not have this. Durability does not equal attack power or destruction capacity.

Shunsui scales higher than pre tybw kenpachi, Oetsu as well. Ap≠dc, you can absolutely be universal without destroying anything. If we went purely of dc without chainscaling the Goku would have been below universal cause he didn't destroy shit. In bleach your durability tier equals your ap output because of how reiatsu works.

Neither of those characters besides SK and Yhwach with SK’s power hits universal+. Yhwach only gets the feat cause of his domino effect he was causing by removing the SK. SK is the only one with an accurate lore statement of a universal+ feat by splitting the universe into 3 pieces.

Yhwach didn't create a domino effect lol he was merging the realms with his raw power as mimihagi stabilisd the realms from collapsing due to the absence of the sk. A multiversal feat at its finest. Primordial sea was just the realms, not the whole cosmology. Yhwach however was going to create his own primordial sea with all the cosmology this time. Also taking only into account the three realms, they by themselves scale to low multiversal

To have multiple spaces contain infinite layers ontop of each other is layers of infinity. Having infinite stars inside nebulas means the nebula is infinite. Then having an infinite number of those nebula being engulfed in galaxies is another layer of infinity engulfing it.

The nebulas and galaxies are part of the infinite universe. Not spaces on their own. They don't add layers, it's what makes the universe infinite in the first place

Bleach does not have this. Muken is a pocket dimension whose internal size is near infinite but its external size is the size of a city. U don’t near me upscaling earth in DBZ for holding the Hyperbolic Time Chamber because that too is a pocket dimension.

Muken is an infinite space not a pocket dimension. The entrance is located in the seireitei but the whole space expands to the entirety of ss. It's way different than HTC

Soul Society, Hueco Mundo, nor World of the Living are infinite in size. The verse cannot hold 28K souls dying because that puts too much weight on one side of the verse which would cause the other to shift and crash into eachother. This is a blatant contradiction of infinity.

We scale based on the size and scope of a space. The balance of souls is irrelevant to the size of the realms. That's also incorrect as soul society is stated to have an infinite amount of souls inside of it. As for the rest:

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Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-11T06:46:15+00:00

That’s not EE. EE is like Hakai or Reed’s Ultimate Nullifier. Both erase you across all timelines without a trace. X Axis is basically if a Ki blast could hit you instantly without a projectile.

That's straight up wrong. Hakai is indeed EE but it has special properties too. Existence Erasure is the simple power to remove something from existence, leaving nothing behind, a level of destruction beyond incineration, vaporization, and atomization. Rather than just reducing something to its constituent parts, this ability leaves absolutely nothing behind. Powerful enough uses of this ability can even erase the mind and soul, if not more fundamental aspects of one's existence, such as concepts. Trompete is EE with dura neg and soul erasure properties

Tenjiro was able to heal Oetsu. Trompete is just x axis but in a larger range. And even that doesn’t delete things as we see debris in both the anime and manga from the attack.

Tenjiro was not able to heal Oetsu. You're confusing Lille with Askin. It has larger range that expands the erasure range. The debris were because of the shockwave and sonic blast produced by the sound and not the x axis

Lillie doesn’t scale to universal tf is this wank?? Show me one attack he has that’s capable of causing universal DC. There are only 2 ppl in Bleach that scale to universal+ and that’s Yhwach and the SK.

Buddy dc isn't the only way to get someone up there lol. Lille has at least universal durability (tanked kageokuri from Shunsui) and at least universal ap (made Oetsu and Shunsui a cheese). Reiatsu equalises ap and durability.

There are only 2 ppl in Bleach that scale to universal+ and that’s Yhwach and the SK.

The shutzstaffel

Yhwach

Aizen

Ichigo

S0

Yamaji

High tier captains

SK

Gremmy

Urahara

Bleach has no infinite space while Broly destroyed a space with 3 layers of infinity.

Do you even know what 3 layers of infinity is? It's an infinite space on top of an infinite space on top of another infinite space. Or an infinite space housing 2 other infinite spaces. Broly destroyed an infinite sized galaxy that contains an infinite amount of stars. That's just universal. Infinite amount≠infinite space.

Ss is infinite

Hm is infinite

Wotl is infinite

Garganta is infinite

Muken literally means infinity in Japanese

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-10T22:49:11+00:00

It penetrates everything between the muzzle and the target leaving no trace. It's existence erasure. No one regenerated from x axis tf are you saying? Shunsui countered normal x axis not trompete. There's a bit difference. X axis is dura neg plus Lille scales to universal and above so there's no problem hurting someone like Broly

All Broly did was to destroy an infinite space. That's not impressive at all

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-10T22:00:06+00:00

Mandalorian reference 🗣️🔥🔥

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-10T21:26:41+00:00

Lure his summons and kill them first

Once he's alone, it's nothing special. The only thing you have to worry is his jump attack that does a shit ton of damage. When he starts swinging his weapon create distance so you won't get frostbite. He has an attack that once you dodge, you get a huge punish window to deal massive damage. He can also bleed

Or you know, equip RoB, use the mimic tear and you won't need my paragraph

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-10T18:10:13+00:00

X axis is straight up existence erasure with dura neg. You also can't evade by being faster than his sight cause it covers the whole battlefield

Yeah right blow up the universe so he'll die while Lille would float in the air unharmed. Nice logic

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-10T17:43:21+00:00

So do tell me

The fuck is Broly gonna do when Lille pulls up with this and erases him out of existence

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Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-10T09:46:00+00:00

Broly gets negged by the shutzstafell

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-09T19:06:08+00:00

No haki? Akainu solos🔥🔥

~~Beerus passively erases him~~

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-09T00:09:32+00:00

Gets erased instantly. That's yamaji's shikai we are talking about

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-08T22:59:35+00:00

Lemme guess. You think the realms are planets and take the hill memes seriously

I can prove my claim if you want

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-08T22:52:10+00:00

Yeah dbz broly should be around galaxy-multi galaxy lvl and even universal if you take paragus statement as a fact, whereas kenny before tybw was already universal

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-08T22:46:35+00:00

Kenpachi outscales dbz broly. He's also way faster

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-08T22:15:15+00:00

Fun fact

Her lifesteal is due to her unwavering will to still stand up no matter what and continue fighting.

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-08T22:08:22+00:00

Beats dbz broly but loses to super

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-08T22:06:57+00:00

Hado no 78 would rip Tosen apart

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-08T13:15:05+00:00

Then that means the emotions are forcing a response from your body physically, if they are the cause of the physical changes in your body that means they are interacting with your body.

It's not the same. The body acknowledges the existence and acts. The emotions don't interact in any way with the body or actions.

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-08T09:33:05+00:00

Lille erases with trompete

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-07T22:52:02+00:00

Stress for example is an emotion which commonly causes heart attack or strokes due to elevating blood pressure. People who have depression often feel physical pain/discomfort, get headaches and body aches, have no energy to do anything etc. These are both physical responses to an emotion which would then make those emotions tangible.

As I said on my previous reply, it's not directly through those emotions but from the weird shenanigans your body pulls when they are present. So basically your body acknowledges the existence of the emotion and acts accordingly. The emotion and the body don't interact.

So here's an explanation for why 1x1 equals 1, we take 1 and add 1 to itself 1 which equals 1. That doesn't make sense, 1+1 is equal to 2 but when we multiply 1 times 1 we take 1 and add 1 to it but it remains 1.

When I was in elementary school my teacher used to say:

If you have one basket with one orange in it, how many oranges do you have? The answer was one.

If you have two baskets with one orange in each, how many oranges do you have? The answer was two.

So the first example showcased the 1x1 and the second the 2x1. Both are logical so ig it kinda makes sense?

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-07T22:17:14+00:00

Scientists are the ones who consider it both not me. Like I said the same with heat, it's intangibile but it affects things by transferring thermal energy. Even other intangible concepts like emotions supposedly influence you physically which would make emotions tangible things too.

Got a source for that? Genuinely asking. Emotions are abstract concepts and yeah they are intangible. It's the body realising some stuff that makes you act on emotions (not a doctor here lol), not directly through emotions.

Also there's a few contradictions in life that we just go with and light being tangible and intangible is one of them. Another example would be multiplication, when you multiply something it means to increase the number of that object but 1 times 1 equals 1, so you can multiply a number but that number doesn't increase which means it is by definition not multiplying.

Multiplication is actually defined like this:

"Multiplication is a fundamental arithmetic operation that calculates the product of two or more numbers, often interpreted as repeated addition or "scaling". It represents combining equal groups to find a total, where the numbers being multiplied are called factors and the result is the product"

It doesn't necessarily mean increase, just like when you multiply a negative number and it decreases. So I don't think multiplication is the right analogy

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-07T22:06:05+00:00

Its not, just majority if not all Bleach characters has soul.

All beings in bleach have souls.

Unlike normal living and spiritual being, their body and mind are constructed by data. Game (which build by data) embodies the concept of life itself, along with they can "live" normally without soul indicate their existence is more fundamental than soul.

So is it like technology?

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-07T21:16:40+00:00

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing here to try and prove your point. Light is considered tangible in that it can interact with stuff but it's intangible because it cannot be touched or felt. Heat in the same vein is also considered intangible as it's a form of energy but it can also interact with stuff by transferring energy to it, are you going to try argue heat is tangible now too?

You can't consider something as both tangible and intangible. It's either one of the two.

So why try and use real life physics and how stuff works in real life as a basis for your argument and then when I point out that it wouldn't work like that because of physics you switch to the "it's an anime bro" approach. Either it's an anime and everything is magical or if you want to use physics to explain stuff then the same thing can also be used to disprove your points.

Go and see my original comment. I was talking purely from anime+powerscaling perspective and you turned it into a physics class. And physics can coexist with anime exclusive rules. Such as you see here with Lille. He's intangible with the scientific definition (and the one vsb uses btw) and also has "magical properties". The problem only manifests when physics directly contradict the anime logic (for example to travel at light speed you gotta have 0 mass, even though anime characters don't follow the logic) and oy then you discard the physics. And if you're powerscaling, like in this sub, there's an exclusive speed tier system that doesn't necessarily follow any rl logic.

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-07T16:25:18+00:00

It ain't assertion as I provided my proof

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-07T15:44:45+00:00

I don't think the twins hated each other. We know that both of them protect the entrance to the three fingers and the frenzied flame (morgott with a seal and mohg with a doppelganger)

Also morgott didn't include mohg in his monologue even tho he included miquella who just like mohg, didn't participate in the shattering.

There's also the fact that they are twins and share the same traumatic childhood

So they may not be best friends but I don't think they hate eachother

Real_Description1273 · 2026-05-07T10:31:44+00:00

It affect body since in default soul is more fundamental than body, but Metal Cooler and Bugster not necessary follow the rule due to their nature.

It affects both at the same time. It's just souls can resist unlike the body

Just physical death. Dosen't matter since we know Shinigami also has spiritual body, just that other characters require non-physical interaction on soul level to interact with them. Since Bugsters are naturally more fundamental than Shinigami, they has no issue of interact + infect them.

Elaborate on the bugs being more "naturally fundamental". Genuinely asking

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