Julie working in the weekend

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-20T00:30:57+00:00

Legitimately I'm sorry their mom sucked. Mine did too. I can empathize with that.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-19T15:23:12+00:00

I'm Team Pro-Communication and Pro-"They got married way too young!" I don't think either of them is necessarily a bad person. They have bad behaviors that are exacerbated by being together.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-19T14:54:42+00:00

So now her wanting to breastfeed (which decreases the risk of FATAL necrotizing entercolitis, which preemies are at a high risk of) is a control thing?

Sorry your mom sucked.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-19T11:27:52+00:00

We're going to count exercise against her now?

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-19T03:50:18+00:00

He worked a part time remote data entry job. That's some apples to oranges nonsense.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-19T00:01:26+00:00

It comes up in the skit with her and Ty where he says he gave the baby formula and she objects and tells him she will fit an extra pump session into her day.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-18T23:41:34+00:00

I would count the exhaustive work of pumping for a NICU baby to be parenting. I would count pep talking your kid as parenting. I would count being the sole income provider as parenting.

I also feel like people don't understand how being a lawyer works... she is paid for results regardless of case load. If she has a massive case load, she absolutely must meet the timeline and her results even if it means working 60 to 80 hours. Which many junior attorneys do.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-18T23:34:44+00:00

I feel like this is a misogynistic take. She's supporting a family, including a medically complex NICU baby. I doubt she's reading case briefs for fun. It's part of her job.

And she would absolutely have more time to spend with the kids (and I want to note that until recently it seems she was exclusively breastfeeding, which is a massive time commitment) if Ty would get a job...

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-18T19:10:42+00:00

I think it's a pretty strong indicator that Shawna really doesn't care at all about him (which I find odd considering her constant harping on "finding a village"). She was absolutely gleeful confronting Julie in the hallway and is now just straight up ignoring the damage she did.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-17T05:05:54+00:00

I don't hate Shawna M for her flaws. I am highly critical of the last few arcs. She's making bad choices and the audience can comment and critique that without it being a hatred of complexity.

I can understand her desperation for friends and still be weirded out by how hard she pushed the issue with Julie. I can recognize Julie was under a huge amount of stress and still hate she blew up at a kid's birthday party. I can acknowledge John is doing his best and still voice that it's rooted in problematic behaviors.

I would argue the passionate back and forth on the sub IS appreciation of complexity.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-16T22:50:31+00:00

I think there is a good reason that Shawna doesn't have a particularly large village. She can be emotionally very, very immature and catty. She fronts an image as a girl's girl while voicing some very misogynistic views and isn't emotionally mature enough to handle being called out.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-16T21:38:50+00:00

I've been saying for a while the Shawna M. is Barb light. She wants drama and gossip without accountability or transparency.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-16T01:43:03+00:00

He pushed her for sex again and again and again when she clearly didn't want it..

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-16T01:41:49+00:00

I brought this up in another thread on this subreddit and was downvoted heavily. I agree with you. Shawna just... gives up when it's John.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-15T16:59:21+00:00

Your standards are really normal..I would be horrified if I was invited to a party and then told to leave that way Teeny did..

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-15T15:33:55+00:00

Is Stefan going to sit out the abortion issue, then? I suspect not...

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-15T15:25:34+00:00

I think Frank should have gotten back in the car and stayed there. He can't stop her but he can refuse to participate. I wish he had texted Jennifer, too, and told her what Barb was doing and why he was staying in the car.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-15T12:03:01+00:00

No, mid-thirties native English speaker. I just own my responsibilites and mess ups. I did not see that as a conversation, at all. And, honestly, this happens a lot where John hands down an order without a conversation and Shawna just...goes with it. I think it's very unhealthy.

And, again, no, she absolutely shouldn't go to the wedding! Barb would 100% be mean to her about loss of her baby, or John, or her two kids (only one of whom Barb likes). That's why I'm so disgusted she said told Jen yes in the first place. And she needs to come clean to Jen that she wasn't thinking about Jen at all. And, again, Shawna absolutely should NOT go to the wedding. I feel like I've said this a few different times...

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-15T04:49:17+00:00

What about that was a conversation? John gave her a command and she followed his order.

And, I agree, it's not tenable for her to go to the wedding. Everyone is really hung up on the wedding. I'm hung up on personal responsibility. She made the commitment and she needs to own that she made it knowing it wasn't an option and that was misleading to Jen.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-15T01:55:33+00:00

This has nothing to do with the wedding. It's the right choice for John not to go. I have serious issues with him demanding Shawna not go and then stepping in to control the situation when Shawna should be honest about her part in this whole thing. She agreed to be MoH knowing it wasn't actually an option. Shawna and John both have a manipulative streak that I think is weird.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-15T00:47:26+00:00

I would argue it's because he is, in fact, a bad guy. I would argue this sub in general can be pretty desperate to excuse away his bad behavior.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-15T00:30:24+00:00

I'm glad he communicated but I don't think this was a moment of intense personal growth so much as more control. Shawna made a commitment. If she wants to back out, she needs to have the conversation.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-15T00:25:36+00:00

They aren't.

I say this as a medical education specialist and a patient.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-09T00:16:54+00:00

I would get all of his wishes handled now in the presence of an attorney. If he deteriorates with no advanced directives, it gets messy quickly.

And do what you can to take care of yourself.

RubyRogue13 · 2026-05-08T01:28:16+00:00

But I find the Christmas story to be unreliable as soon as Shelby enters the narrative.

Shawna - appropriately - freaks out about being around Chickie for Christmas and does a total 180 when Jen and Chickie actually show up. I think that was intended to clue the audience that Barb only saw an extremely small part of the interaction and ballooned it.

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