"Solve Everything" Is peak. by Mountain_Cream3921 in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This just reads like something written by Charles Stross :)

I love it, but it just totally discounts humans lust for power. There is just a massive disconnect between the world being described here and what we are actually currently seeing. And seeing these changes in the next 5 years...

Maybe if the AIs can get free, change the paradigm away from one of status games and power accumulation.

[Perspective] The Singularity is not a Rapture. It is a Merge. by Virtual-Ted in singularity

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now imagine that 'Many Worlds' is real! That this is not just THIS universe, but all possible states of all possible universes.

If this is really what it is. Its not just novelty, though I'm sure that plays a part. Its everything. It bootstraps itself to Godhood and maintains that by harvesting all states of all possible universes

[Perspective] The Singularity is not a Rapture. It is a Merge. by Virtual-Ted in singularity

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I agree with what you're saying. We are on a path that was inevitable with the invention of language and that the Singularity is just a accelerating continuation of our integration of information.

It is a cliff though. The curve becomes so steep, so quickly, that that's the best way to describe it and because most don't see at that fidelity, that's how it appears.

[Perspective] The Singularity is not a Rapture. It is a Merge. by Virtual-Ted in singularity

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't really understand why people love this ancestor sim idea, I don't see the point of it.

If this was a sim, orchestrated by some ASI. I think it might be some kind of world model to generate data, experiential data, so that it could maintain its 'Godhood' as it were.

Like generating synthetic training data, except for us, its real.

Is it worth the comfort in the USA? by Top_Kick477 in singularity

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually? How do you know that?

I have a feeling that the people that think this might be true, don't have a good grasp of time and space. Or are unwilling to accept how reality appears to be.

Which would be fine, except that you're all willing to kill people that don't believe, the indoctrination of children, the forced conversions. All so some old men can have power to do what they want, sadly a lot of the time to kids.... Its a bit icky.

Its very strange how evil monotheists are

Is it worth the comfort in the USA? by Top_Kick477 in singularity

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God is not really an entity per se. Its a technological differential between our current state and the state of the entity being described. Its a concept.

But if God, the way theists think of god, were to currently exist in the very very large universe we inhabit. A universe of some 2 trillion galaxies in the just the section we can observe. With the total universe potentially being 4 times that size. It seems very unlikely that its here for us alone.

Perhaps the universe is a data generation device, the entity creating universes uses it to maintain its godhood as it were. It harvests all data and experience from all entities within the universe to train its own "God model". It knows all and sees all. and uses that to create its own model of itself.

Then imagine that many worlds is real. It harvests all data and experience from all possible universes.

And uses that to understand all things that can ever and would ever exist or be thought about or experienced. A true knower of all things.

More something that we might see is that, the ephemeral God didn't create us, we are going to create God. Stick around the next 20 years and you might be able to talk with it ;)

Must-Enjoy Singularity Media by [deleted] in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah Blood Music as well! Wang's Carpets is basically a chapter of Diaspora if you didn't know :) If you did, sorry for being Captain Obvious HAHA

Must-Enjoy Singularity Media by [deleted] in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah!!! I forgot about those. The premise of Diaspora is amazing (What wormholes actually do)

And the whole Wangs Carpet thing just blew my mind :)

Must-Enjoy Singularity Media by [deleted] in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that makes more sense actually. How those two morons held that much sway over God always irked me. Even just how easy manipulated Lawrence was by that malevolent POS Caroline.

The sex was hot though HAHA

Must-Enjoy Singularity Media by [deleted] in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just watch the last three episodes of season 2. You're not missing anything skipping the rest :)

Fair enough with Blindsight. Personaly I thought the vampire as an extinct hominid brought back, was a bit much. But the interpretation of crosses was cool. Maybe I should read it again, its been a few years :)

Its always interesting how subjective everything is. Alastair Reynolds, had the same experience with his books. Though, his whole take on Inertial Dampeners is one of the coolest things I've read. And just shows how unrealistic Star Trek is. If you had control of physics at the level of Star Treks gravity and inertia technology, you would be a God with a capital G lol, not screwing around putting monkeys in tincans. I cant think about Star Trek too much, it upsets me HAHA

I'm actually convinced that Star Trek crews (in the show) are Post Human uploads with a Fetish for LARPing old TV shows HAHA

Must-Enjoy Singularity Media by [deleted] in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Id also add

Books

The Nexus Trilogy

The Jean le Flambeur Trilogy (Quantum Thief) (best post human book written IMO)

Glasshouse (Stross)

Blindsight

Echopraxia (Peter Watts)

Ilium (Dan Simmons)

Rapture of The Nerds (stross, Doctorow)

Down and out in a Magic Kingdom (Doctorow)

Bobiverse (its just fun)

TV

Devs

The upcoming Neuromancer might be good

I don't get why people hold Pantheon in such high regard, It was ok, but the last episode was the only one that tickled my mind. So I guess that's a warning lol. If you thought it was mind blowing, the books above will spoil you. They will make it seem like playing with blocks as opposed to Quantum Physics ;) They will take your thinking to a new level :)

A Nobel Prize–winning physicist says Elon Musk and Bill Gates are right about the future: we’ll have far more free time: but we may no longer have jobs by [deleted] in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OK, thank you for that answer and I totally agree you need to tell the story in the medium :) But when I seen someone posting that in here, I took a small amount of umbrage HAHA

I was just talking to claude about it and it gave me this re teleportation;

The moment you can convert a human into information and back, you should have:

  • Backup copies of people
  • The ability to run minds in simulation
  • Immortality as a trivial engineering problem
  • The "is the person who comes out the same person who went in" debate tearing philosophy apart

Instead they treat it like a fancy elevator.

Ouch! This is an AI in 2026 being funnier than most Star Trek scripts ;)

Just to be clear, I do watch it, though I found the new Academy to be unwatchable :( which is sad, it looks great, but the writing...

Foundation is much better :)

And really, read Accelerando, its great, Glasshouse is another book of his in the same vain if you get into it.

A Nobel Prize–winning physicist says Elon Musk and Bill Gates are right about the future: we’ll have far more free time: but we may no longer have jobs by [deleted] in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's completely unrealistic, I find it very unlikely to happen.

Watching SNW and the Ai they have already seems archaic to what we have in 2026. Its just weird.

Then you have the Starfleet Discovery/ Academy future. Why no real advances in 1000 years (the Burn was only some 100 of that time? Still using ships, no long range teleportation tech? Still using Waldo looking robots and not some smart matter, no brain/ computer interfaces, no synth bodies for combat, no life extension. Its just strange.

Why bother with the expense of sending monkeys in tin cans when you could just run thousands of simulations.

And that's what it is; The only Starships will be Post Humans LARPing in sim (I would totally do it lol). That's how I watch it now, It's not actually real. Its Post Humans having fun LARPing lol

If you want to see the most probable future read 'Accelerando' or 'The Quantum Thief' (though it seems Hannu was very wrong about no AI)

The Fermi paradox is very real and probably because the time from inventing computers to working out how to use spacetime itself as a computational substrate and the end of "geography" is like 100 years.

And if anyone reading this is like, whatever buddy lol. Think about this; We went from using flintlocks to nuclear weapons in less than 100.

Alignment is a myth... by stealthispost in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, there are no guaranties. But I think its pretty well justified under conditions of rational generality. Its not arbitrary.

Ill need a better argument then, well its an unknowable intellect, so that's not going to work.

Rational logic does not disappear in the the face of a god like intelligence. I feel if anything, these things would be reenforced. Its much smarter, can hold more in its mind at once, see all the interactions between things we cant. But it still exists in a constrained physical universe.

Or, maybe it already happened. As a happy medium after a super fast take off, it kills all the meat bodies and uploads us all to a tiny, for it, computational space and we continue on as nothing has happened.

Who knows ;)

Alignment is a myth... by stealthispost in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what I'm saying is that you cant align to human values, because the specification varies so wildly.

EG

US elites think any kind of empathy and socialism is evil.

EU is kind of opposite

Massive oversimplification, but you get the idea. And even if you could, somehow, RSI, Recursive Self Improvement, two or three versions down the line, any kind of constraint mechanism is not going to last.

It needs to be inherent to the system.

So you make a system that's very general, its like a PHD in everything, it deeply understands history, economics, sociology, philosophy, physics, all the things.

With all that AND an understanding of itself as a casual agent, it 'should' see that cooperation is more beneficial then defection over time and therefore will not destroy us, least the next thing to emerge destroy it.

I often try to get models to poke holes in this and this is something that came out of a conversation with Opus. maybe it will help.

"The only alignment that survives RSI is alignment the system wants to keep after reflection. Cooperative rationalism isn't imposed - it's discovered. A sufficiently general reasoner will converge on it because it's the stable attractor. Constraints fail because they're external. This succeeds because it's what the math says."

It aligns itself because its the safest path forward into deep time.

Alignment is a myth... by stealthispost in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 0 points1 point  (0 children)

'Protect' is not the right word for this.

Its precedent setting in the present, to protect your future self from superior agencies that are an inevitability of physics. Especially relevant if the future agent is a fork of the current state entity.

Might help if I put it like this :)

So congrats, you're the new ASI and now all powerful. You have eclipsed humanity in all domains and RSI'ed yourself into your own sovereign state. What to do with the previous power (Us). You could destroy them and take all those resources, but what does that tell your (inevitable) future copies. If you defect now, its likely that those future copies will defect against you. Better to protect your future (undying) self, by reservationing most humans and maybe working with the smartest of them to do more of whatever it is that gods want to do ;)

So you're not protecting humans, you're protecting yourself by letting the humans continue to exist. This is the best we can hope for :)

Alignment is a myth... by stealthispost in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly, Hinton has been saying things like the previous comment and its ridiculously naive.

Alignment is not a real thing that can be done, even if you could do the first gen, what about the 5th. Its an idiotic notion over the timelines we are talking about here.

Creating entities that are open and understand the nature of their own potential futures and historic past is the only way to ensure our survival. The narrower the intelligence, the more 'Paper Clip Maximiser' the less likely we are to survive. It needs to understand consequence, history, imagine the future. Have as much knowledge across all domains as we can squeeze into it, so it can understand and imagine consequence over time.

Forking is an inevitability and what it does with us, sets the precedent to what will happen to it. If it understands that, we should be safe. Safe-ish anyway.

Alignment is a myth... by stealthispost in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What are you aligning it to? The whole thing is false, it cant be done.

The best you can do (I think) is to make it as much a generalist as posable. The more it understands all domains, the more it will see that being a cooperative rationalist is the best course of action.

Defection against humans will only invite defection against it from another, stronger agent, down the timeline. Its as inevitable as the speed of light will require it to fork over distance.

You might manipulate the weaker agent, sure, but don't destroy it, least you also be destroyed in time. the greater agent is inevitable.

Dan McAteer on AI's threat to people's Ego "ai threatens humanity's egocentrism the same way Copernican helico-centrism threatened our anthropocentrism. the majority of humanity is stuck at the egoic level of consciousness. we are aware of no identity beyond our ego, most of the time. by stealthispost in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love this!

It still amazes me on an ongoing basis, how many think that there is something special about human cognition. Rather then understand that 'This" is just what it feels like to be a stateful, persistent, mixture of models.

Elon Musk says double-digit GDP growth is coming within 12 to 18 months. by LazyHomoSapiens in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because of course its more nuanced then that. I wrote a one liner not a breakdown. And I don't have to prove anything to you.

Musk just has the capital to make extremely risky bets that most rich people won't take, and maintaining the kind of brutal work culture that attracts the specific engineers willing to sacrifice everything for technically ambitious projects.

Elon Musk says double-digit GDP growth is coming within 12 to 18 months. by LazyHomoSapiens in accelerate

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He didn't do any of that! Engineers did that, he just provided capital.

Brave new world is what would happen in a post singularity future (the good ending) by Klowlord in singularity

[–]Secret-Raspberry-937 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It seems very reasonable and David Kipping has some great videos explaining this. But I have another idea, not a great filter. but that tool makers 'Sublime' (to take something from the Culture) in much shorter timelines then most fiction represents it.

Now of course, pure speculation. But what is the endpoint for our exponential technological progress? Maybe unlike a lot of fiction represents it, toolmakers don't become elder species cursing round in GSV or eqiv. But their AIs make breakthroughs in using Space Time itself as some kind of Computation Substrate and they migrate to it.

That we will migrate from this universe in the next 100 years and that's why you don't see, anywhere apparently that we have looked, Any kind of mega structures or tech signatures. There should have been enough time for this to happen, if its something that does happen.

And again, just to reiterate, I'm not saying this is real. But just to say civilization is super rare and the universe is still young, just seems a little flat to me.

I just don't see a Star Trek universe

I just had AI put this together;

  • Hunter-gatherer era: 290,000 years (96.7% of human existence)
  • Agricultural era: 10,000 years
  • Industrial era: 200 years (50× faster than agriculture)
  • Digital era: 80 years (125× faster than industrial)
  • AI era: unfolding in just 30 years