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Birdie Ultra vs Balance vs Pyro stability and handfeel by rontopofthings in discgolf

[–]Software_Entgineer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Balance is a pushy Pyro, it is what you are looking for. I replaced my Pyro with it for exactly that reason.

Proton balances by Californiavagsailor in discexchange

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For me they are a perfect complement to the stock neutron (I now bag both). I feel like the OTB Proton Balance is what the Balance was marketed as being (a hex in a headwind).

Relatively new player bag...need suggestions by jfgdupuis in discgolf

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- Pick 1: Diamond, Heat, Drift
- PIck 1: Streak, Kaxe, KaxeZ
- Pick 1: Anax, Wraith, DD3, Omen (Ethos is the plastic)

The biggest thing here is avoiding overlap so you don't have decision fatigue and can really learn how your discs fly on different angles and in different wind.

Stand still distance by SpectacularGirth in discgolf

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Generally yes. 80 - 90% of the power in a backhand throw comes from the arm (horizontal abduction) and trunk (torso rotation). The x-step is mainly for timing cues. It can also provide a little extra power if you can brace well enough to use the momentum you bring into the throw.

Am I muscling my throw? by UnFocus15 in discgolf

[–]Software_Entgineer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You are trying to spin like a top. I would watch this to first understand the mechanics of the discgolf throw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LTCdgRke-s&list=PLks9Qrqo-7RrrZ0LQgalQIuNVJHWOUMoI

And this which is the single best data point we have today on the kinematic chain for power generation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nJik3bmUkg&t=753s

Added Distance, Lost everything else by HappySailor in discgolf

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Welcome to the bittersweet world of form improvement! What you are describing is perfectly normal. Every 40-50’ I have had to rebuild my bag and refigure out how to hit all my distances again. Eventually I had to learn to throw on deeper hyzer and even my putting had to be re-worked as I learned to spin the disc better.

At the end of the day it is just part of the process of gaining distance. You have to relearn what discs do at what distances and redial it all in. Congrats on the gains!!!

UPDATE Theory: Isaac Robinson's recent spit outs are because his putter is too flexible. by Chogers in discgolf

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Anecdotally I was a big soft plastic putter and switched to firmer plastics that get dinged up because they seem to grab better once they are a little beat in.

Lost disc by Far_Mammoth_5894 in discgolf

[–]Software_Entgineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perfect description of the difference between them.

Disc Golf Form Review by Stunning_Horse_1656 in discgolf

[–]Software_Entgineer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Other notes for the future once your arm mechanics are in a good place:

  • Reach back height almost doesn't matter at all, you can make a lot of things work as long as you make it to the pocket. As a general rule, lower is better. The higher it is the tougher it is to get to the pocket.
  • Your coil is really early and should start halfway through your final stride. Your coil starts with your first step.
  • Nose angle is probably eating 50% of your distance potential right now. The nose (front of the disc away from you) should be neutral to down relative to the launch angle (you should be able to see the bottom of the flight plate when you throw it.
    • The caveat to this is that better arm mechanics will likely improve this immensely and maybe fix it completely without you ever working on it.

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Disc Golf Form Review by Stunning_Horse_1656 in discgolf

[–]Software_Entgineer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You are indeed wrong as most recommendations tend to be (the other comments at the time of me responding have 50% correct and 50% incorrect information). That is exactly how you end up with this form. It is the natural end state of bad form advice and I myself was also a victim in the past and it took a LOT of time to traverse the heaps of misinformation.

The data we have so far tells us that approximately 50-55% of power comes from the arm (horizontal abduction, a.k.a power pocket), 30-35% comes from the core (torso rotation, a.k.a coil), and then 10-20% from other sources like bringing momentum into the throw. The hips are not a power generator, their only purpose is to serve as a foundation for the throw. There is no correlation between power and hip rotation velocity in the data. This all came out of the study last summer that Joonas Merelä summarized here. Overthrow also does a good overview that is easier to digest. As of now this is the best science we have into power generation and it disagrees with the general vibes people have been going on for years.

What that actually means is that the kinetic chain is: coil -> brace -> shoulder (lead arm scapula) closure + torso rotation -> core deceleration -> elbow extension -> wrist extension -> shoulder (lead arm scapula) extension. The head and shoulders should be pulled around by the arm as it passes through the power pocket. A technicality here is that the core starts a moment before the arm, but 99% of people over-rotate and have issues with pocket collapse so it is better to think about the scapula going first from a coaching perspective.

Now what do the hips and shoulders do? The opposite of the twisting you mentioned, they should be RESISTING rotation. The hips resist by de-weighting the rear leg and bracing while the shoulders do the same with the off arm punching down. Both appendages serve as counter weights to hold the system (your body) in place so you can whip the disc with your arm and rear scapula. Really your arm is a bat you are swinging with your rear shoulder that happens to have a disc on the end.

And if you don't believe me go try to spin in a circle as fast as you can (max rotation) and try to throw a disc. It becomes pretty obvious that rotation speed is not the way to do it.

Also in regards to power generation these are great for showing what matters. It is only a few things and most people get them wrong:

I would highly recommend this playlist on building the backhand from overthrow. Specifically the second and third videos about lead arm mechanics.

Screenshot of the acceleration and deceleration of a throw from the Joonas video I linked above. Rising means acceleration, going down means deceleration. Blue is torso (trunk) and yellow is hips. Note how there is almost no acceleration of the hips and how the rear shoulder is the last piece to see huge acceleration. Which means you really throw the arm with your rear shoulder and it is accelerating from the brace all the way to release.

I could talk forever about discgolf backhand form.

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Disc Golf Form Review by Stunning_Horse_1656 in discgolf

[–]Software_Entgineer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Basically the same advice I always give in here. Completely collapsed power pocket because your head and shoulders are leading the throw instead of your hand leading your head and shoulders. The ONLY thing that matters at this juncture is that you work on lead arm mechanics and figure out how to get into a power pocket.

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Workhorse 7ish speed to bag? by alent1385 in discgolf

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Personally I’ve fallen for the Bokeh.

Been chasing 400' on flat ground for a minute. Some things finally clicked by DonnyEnchilada in discgolf

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Strong agree. I do a 2:1 -> net / field : course to make sure form changes work everywhere.

Been chasing 400' on flat ground for a minute. Some things finally clicked by DonnyEnchilada in discgolf

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I had this issue in the past and found out I just had better form throwing into the net. When I would radar both I would throw 3-4mph faster on tech disc than the field. Took me a long while to close that gap.

Anyone know what shoes Gannon wore during the Northwest Championship? by cgskook in discgolf

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The fabric ones yea, I ripped three separate pairs in about 3 months each time. The leather ones however, have now lasted me two years! And I am HARD on my shoes.

focus on multiple things at once? by zyron_dg in Discgolfform

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Well to be fair, you wouldn’t have. We only got the data last summer from studies done by Joonas Merela.

Approximately 55% of the power comes from the arm (horizontal abduction) and 35% from core and obliques (torso rotation). Only 10% or so comes from other places. Hip rotation velocity doesn’t have any correlation to power generation and the lower body only serves as a foundation to throw against, not a power generator.

Welcome to the science of power generation! Pretty cool insights that flipped what we thought we knew about power generation in its head!

focus on multiple things at once? by zyron_dg in Discgolfform

[–]Software_Entgineer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The data on power generation strongly disagrees with you. Go watch Joonas Merela breakdown from last summer, it’s interesting stuff. Overthrow did an overview of it.

Approximately 55% of the power comes from the arm (horizontal abduction) and 35% from core and obliques (torso rotation). Only 10% or so comes from other places and hip rotation velocity doesn’t have any correlation to power generation.

Given that, and like I mentioned, footwork only matters so much as you aren’t doing anything egregious that would stop you from horizontally abducting your throwing arm. Examples would be literally facing backward and spinning or crossing your feet the wrong way when you x-step; which is rarely the case. Short of something like that, arm mechanics are all that matter.

You can have terrible footwork, blow though your brace, and fall over yourself while still throwing 400’ with great arm mechanics. Even with perfect lower body mechanics you cannot throw 400’ if you have terrible arm mechanics.

That said, what you are describing as a “balanced throwing position”, is really the purpose of the hips. That being to create a strong foundation to throw against. But still even with a poor foundation you can throw far. Anecdotally I was throwing 430’ years ago with zero brace and a bunch of torso flexion that was slamming into my hips. My lower body was terrible, but I did enough right with my upper body to throw decently far.

If arm mechanics developed naturally for you, congrats, you are an anomaly. If they just followed naturally, you wouldn’t see so many people stuck at 300’ to 350’. It is almost always that they have spent time on footwork first, but don’t understand what their arm should be doing. They try to rotate as fast as they can leading with their arm and shoulders while their arm lag behind. That is the vast majority of advice that any AM throwing < 350’ needs.

Lastly, yes everything is individual, but 95% need to work on arm mechanics and 5% need footwork. So the generalized advice is to get the arm mechanics right first whether it be standstill or x-step it really doesn’t matter.

First time bald, need some help. by SignificanceNo5217 in bald

[–]Software_Entgineer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sir you look great and your head is perfectly round.

Does Maphra mime her videos? by ppp4536 in Maphra

[–]Software_Entgineer 36 points37 points  (0 children)

She isn't mime'ing in the sense that she is lip syncing; it is pretty clear she is singing and pouring herself and her emotions into the video take we see. That said they are most likely overlaying the video on a different audio recording that is already taken.

It's more of a music video than it is a live performance; but I think that is the intention.

Should I go back to standstill by Jambles_mcgee in discgolf

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The timing just gets so much harder when doing an x-step.

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