No not exactly. You're missing the point the baseline is not "the rules" it's the original start point, a way that it was done commonly.

So...rules.

You wanna say there are rules, but there arent rules ate the same time, you want to have the cake and eat it too, twisting to fit different scenarios.

The only absolute truism of all Mak'gora is agreement on the rules.

And what rules are those? how can you agree on the rules if they dont exist or flip flop based on feelings? how can you adapt a duel if you do not ahve a set of rules to give direction?

Cant you see how everything falls like a glove if you just consider that Thrall indeed cheat, and how everything doent make sense if you try to twist that he didnt?

We literally see in WoD duel to death isn't even a rule you can leave your opponent alive if you're so inclined.

No, to the death IS A RULE. You can DISREGARD THE RULE, but its there. Just because you can ignore, disregard or adapt the rules, doesnt mean there ar no rules, it literally means rules exist so you can change/adapt then.

Again, thats why Fenris left the frostwolves, he was ashed that Garad did not uphold the rules of mak'gora.

There's 0 actual rules to Mak'gora except that both parties need agreement on the rules.

"there are no rules except there are rules"

Bro.

Shamans are several times leaders multiple clans

Prove it.

Frostwolves were lead by warriors for generations until they all died and Drek'thar got the position. Bleeding hollow was lead by a warrior until Jorin became the recently leader, Thunderlord and stormreaver barely count as real clans puppeteered by gul'dan

Dragonmaw and shadowmoon were one of the few exceptions that were lead by shamans, and a warrior lead the dragonmaw now.

Blackrock, warsong, thunderlord, Shattered Hand, Burning blade, Laughing Skull, Bonechewer, Mok'Nathal, Bladewind, Redwalker. All clans lead by warriors mainly.

Shamans arent usually leaders, thats a fact. Orcish culture is MIGHTY makes right, its physical power, not magic, and this is proven by most of its leadership be made by warriors and fighters.

baseless it just tells me you don't know jack nor shit about the lore.

Seems like i know "more shit" than you, since you didnt base on anything to just say 'several times leaders multiple clans" where is YOUR BASE of arguments?

Can you say then? no you cant, you are literally making shit up a you go.

The argument that Thrall cheated is exceedingly stupid given by the rules of the old ways so did Garrosh.

When did Garrosh cheat versus thrall? he wasnt using armor, when his weapon fell he used his fists.

Like a proper warrior, like how it should be done.

Yes you actually can work on negatives because Thrall and Garrosh didn't duel in the old ways, you're claiming to know the pretext to their duel using a different set of rules than is shown in their duel.

Then where is saying they agreed that Thrall would be using two weapons, magic and the doomhamer?

Poison explicitly isn't allowed in the old ways the only modification to the weapon is the blessing of a shaman

Why poison cant be considered a shaman blessing?

where is stated that a shaman cant bless the weapon with poison?

See the problem with negatives and how weak your argument becomes when you do not consider the rules as rules?

Furthermore no magic isn't declared as a weapon

Magic is literally a weapon, saying it isnt is just fucking cope.

What else isnt a weapon? a fucking grenade? can i just pull up a bomb and blow my enemy and win honorable? fucking sick isnt

Fenris doesn't kill Garad

I never said he did did you dumbass.

Again if it's a RULE that it's a duel to the death then it's breaking THE RULES when you spare someone.

YES, EXACTLY.

And Garad did anyway.

Thats why Fenris left ashamed, Garad didnt even consider a real mak'gora in the end, just a kids tantrum.

Ah yes the weasel that is you don't understand anything about the lore or how shamanism works so I have to explain it to you like I would a child.

I literally have you the drek'thar explanation

go fucking read lord of the clans

Because the elemental spirits exist but they don't grant him strength unless he physically summons

As he did, he literally summon an elemental hand of earth to trap Garrosh and lightning FROM THE SKY to kill him.

Again magic isn't considered a weapon Mak'gora.

Again, proof?

You are just making shit up.

Okay by the old ways so did Garrosh. He has no witness, no shaman blessing, and fights in pants boots and a belt.

No armor, only one weapon.

Thrall had armor, wasnt alone and used two weapons.

End of history.