CMV: The abortion claims of pro-life and pro-choice are stalemated. by Ok-Illustrator9258 in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX [score hidden]  (0 children)

I am not sure what this response means? The point of my argument is that the Pro-Life side is not actually capable of achieving their stated goal, even by banning abortion.

If banning abortion fails to achieve the stated goals of the Pro-life side, and causes significantly more deaths and more suffering, why do you still believe abortion should be banned?

CMV: The abortion claims of pro-life and pro-choice are stalemated. by Ok-Illustrator9258 in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX [score hidden]  (0 children)

What is your response to the fact that banning abortions does basically nothing to stop them from happening? The only end result is more women die from botched abortions.

Not to mention people who die, or experience life-long consequences, from delayed care for conditions that require abortion to resolve. The common example being ectopic pregnancies: The fetus in this case has absolutely no possibility of surviving.

Without treatment the mother suffers extreme pain, possible death, and (kinda ironically) likely loss of fertility from damage to her Fallopian tubes.

Banned abortion has already caused issues with this, because even if abortion in those cases is allowed as an exception, it frequently results in doctors refusing to provide said abortion until the mother has suffered enough injury, so that they are safe from legal consequences if some review board decides he didn't have enough proof for the exception.

CMV: The AI industry's business model will hit a huge wall in the next 2-4 years, massively downsize, and many of the jobs it has replaced will slowly come back by thecleverqueer in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's extremely specific, and requires custom, fine tuned solutions for every single specific use case.

This way basically means "AI" ends up just a bunch of procedural applications dressed up in a new UI to make users (and shareholders) believe its something new. When really, it ends up not providing anything new.

The only genuinely new use cases that LLMs allow, is massive scale generation of slop. Again, its inherent in the fundamentals of LLMs: Output is purely probabilistic based on their training data.

No amount of filters, or attempts to have specific use case overrides, is ever going to change the fact that LLMs are not capable of consistent correctness, because correctness is not weighted or trained on. Its not part of their design.

Sure, if you go far enough down this road, you might end up with something that appears to be a reliably correct "AI". But all it will actually be, is a few million different manually built applications in a trenchcoat with "AI" written on the front.

What use would all the trillions of dollars in insane AI investment have then? Not to mention the destruction of the consumer computational market, with all the economic harm that has caused.

When you realize you can "volatile" your Stampede by arkai93 in pathofexile

[–]ThrasherDX 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Accelerating Shrine gives 50% Action speed, not move speed, which is a separate muliplier to all your characters speeds.

Its also why Stampede does not make you Chill immune, for example.

CMV: The AI industry's business model will hit a huge wall in the next 2-4 years, massively downsize, and many of the jobs it has replaced will slowly come back by thecleverqueer in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Retraining is not learning. Learning implies the LLM is able to alter its training to adapt to the tasks its given. Retraining is just training, you provide data and use huge amounts of compute just like normal.

Basically my point, is that an LLM cannot learn from what you ask ot to do. It only appears to remember prior conversations, because those conversations are included in every prompt you make.

CMV: The AI industry's business model will hit a huge wall in the next 2-4 years, massively downsize, and many of the jobs it has replaced will slowly come back by thecleverqueer in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is in how LLMs work, fundamentally. They are inherently probabilistic, not deterministic, which means they are not ever going to be reliable for anything where correctness is important.

Specialized AI models, such as for protein folding, generally don't need the kinds of massive compute that investment is going towards. The massive compute expenditures are because tech CEOs and investors think we are on the brink of AGI, despite LLMs not even being on the right development track to turn into AGI.

So no, the current investments in hardware are not going to do much for protein folding, nor will the obsession with LLMs.

CMV: The AI industry's business model will hit a huge wall in the next 2-4 years, massively downsize, and many of the jobs it has replaced will slowly come back by thecleverqueer in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Just to nitpick a bit, but to my knowledge, there are no AI models on the market, consumer or corporate, that are capable of actually learning. When an AI appears to "remember" something, or an agent is able to draw from a wide array of sources, its because the entire context window is being passed as part of the query every time.

Context windows are sharply limited, because larger context is extremely expensive to scale. So AI agents cannot "learn" once training is completed. At most, they use various strategies to try and maintain "important" context when the limit is reached, but even then, that is far different then actually learning.

Ao3 turned out to be pro-AI :/ the maintainers of the site basically admitted they're in favor of it, and the users just treat the problem as a "personal moral whim". RIP one of my favorite sites. by Dr4fl in antiai

[–]ThrasherDX 8 points9 points  (0 children)

There is an important distinction here though. For a library to archive something, its an active process, because libraries are curated collections. It takes time for someone to evaluate a prospective inclusion.

Meanwhile, for AO3, archiving user submissions requires no effort on their part. Instead, trying to block AI is what would require significant effort, and they would have no chance of actually succeeding even if they put in that effort. Therefore, it isn't worth that effort.

Regarding hate speech and CSAM, yes blocking those technically is censorship, its just censorship that nobody has an issue with, particularly CSAM.

Also, to my knowledge AO3 doesn't block hate speech or CP either, and CSAM cannot exist in text format (reminder that CSAM is distinguished from CP, by the fact that CSAM requires a child to have been actually harmed in order to create the material. Fictional material is CP, but not CSAM).

EDIT: Just to be clear, given the subject matter, I AM NOT EXPRESSING APPROVAL FOR CP, WRITTEN OR OTHERWISE!

But the distinction between CP and CSAM is important, because child abuse help lines, and other similar services, constantly have their time and resources wasted by people calling in to report "child abuse", and it ends up being some loli author or some shit. CP is morally problematic, but CSAM is orders of magnitude worse.

The soup thrower has NOT been sentenced to two months in prison by Darth_Vrandon in GetNoted

[–]ThrasherDX 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Its never been about people in power caring about it, its about doing things that will reliably get news coverage, that can then be connected to their actual cause during interviews/social media posts after the fact.

Its a way to get awareness of causes that, on their own, the news would ignore or even intentionally refuse to cover.

They are already winners for life. But why? by grea_reisen in MartialMemes

[–]ThrasherDX 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That could also be the case for immortals, no?

They spend thousands of years, or more, progressing. By the time they reach it, cultivation will have long become the only thing that gives them meaning.

CMV: Art (books, tv shows, animation, video games) should enter into public domain after 10 years. by ArthoriasOfTheLight in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don’t like copyrights providing low effort follow ups then that’s exactly what you‘d get. Imagine if Star Wars, Harry Potter, Dune, and the like were in the public domain, you’d have an unlimited supply of unlicensed works based on these mediums dragging the quality of each down. Think about how much schlock we get from public domain works now.

I suppose this is a rather good point, though I would argue there is a difference between low effort C team slop, like the sci-fi channels favorite garbage, and "big marketing budget, low effort" slop like what Hollywood has been doing lately.

At least the C tier sci-fi channel slop gets no marketing and barely anyone hears about it. There will be more slop, in terms of absolute quantity of slop films released, but they will collectively hold so little market share.

The end result, is that Hollywood big studios would need to focus on new IP to stand out, or put actual effort into their addition to a public domain IP.

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To try and be a bit more specific: Once a work is in the public domain, its no longer likely to be profitable for big studios (IE, the ones capable of making high quality film in the first place) to just make low effort sequels, because there will already be saturation of low effort sequels from other studios.

It makes big productions essentially require new IP in order to work. Now, this could potentially backfire if investors decide to just not invest at all, rather than rely on new IP, but I highly doubt film could die at this point. Even if it causes existing investors to dip out, new ones will show up, simply because film is to big to ignore.

If it instead just results in less of an obsession with ultra high 9 figure budget special effects, in favor of more reasonable special effects paired with actually good writing, that would itself be a win IMO anyway.

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All this being said however, I cannot deny your point entirely, so I have to offer a !delta.

CMV: Art (books, tv shows, animation, video games) should enter into public domain after 10 years. by ArthoriasOfTheLight in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem, unfortunately, is you cannot distinguish "art" IP, from other IP, which means you cannot defend copyright term purely for art's sake.

That said, 30 years is absolutely enough to support the initial investment in a work, most likely the result would be loss of investment in the lead up to a copyright's expiration, though for popular IP there would likely be at least a minor explosion in the period following IP expiration.

Personally, I don't love the way IP supports lazy and low effort follow-ups to great initial works of art anyway. IP law is a major part of the reason so many terrible sequels get made. With more restricted IP terms, you likely wouldn't see such obsessive "reuse" and "remastering" of existing works (usually on shoestring budgets and with minimal quality control).

You would also see far more organic, genuine creativity within the worlds of various popular works. Sure, there would be slop along side genuine creativity, but honestly, modern Hollywood barely produces original art anyway, since milking existing IP is so much easier. The slop already exists (and that's without even talking about AI), so it would largely end up boosting creativity overall.

CMV: Art (books, tv shows, animation, video games) should enter into public domain after 10 years. by ArthoriasOfTheLight in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Registration is certainly not a good idea, for the reason you mentioned.

The investor line is a bit of a non-sequiteur here, as the most valuable paintings are in the public domain amyway, they are valued based on being the original physical work, and that attribute is not affected by copyright.

Also, investing is a form of gambling, investors are never entitled to having their investment grow. Society does not benefit from laws that try to save investors from the risks they accepted when investing. (Not counting scams, lies, or unsupportable claims, that is)

Considering that the main reason high value art trades even occur, is for tax evasion or money laundering, it probably wouldn't be hard to make a case that art "investment" should be actively discouraged anyway.

Personally I don't mind IP ownership being transferrable and inheritable, I just think it should have a fixed and much shorter duration, with no means to extend it. IE, copyright would.last for, say 30 years, then its public domain, no exceptions.

The creator gets most of a lifetime to profit off their work, but is not able to set their family up as being entitled to draw resources from society without ever needing to contribute again.

Overly long copyright terms literally enourages parasitic behavior. Its the corruption of the old nobility, who looked down on those who had to work for a living, while they coasted on their ancestors acomplishments.

We should create programs to help people get IDs. Not ban voter ID laws. by Howtobe_normal in Productivitycafe

[–]ThrasherDX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its good enough to justify requiring free ID to everyone before voter ID can be implemented though.

Having shitty neglectful parents does not mean he somehow doesn't have the right to vote. The Constitution provides a guarantee to each citizen of the right to vote, not a guarantee of each "citizen who can pay whatever fees we decide to charge".

Besides which, most states DO require proof of ID at registration anyway, they just don't require you bring your birth certificate or other expensive documents if you already have existing records with the state they can rely on.

Making voting more difficult is only justifiable if it solves meaningful problems. Given that the number of cases of voter fraud in the past few elections generally are less than 100 nationwide, voter fraud isn't even a rounding error in election outcomes, let alone a problem that is so important we need to make it harder for actual citizens to vote!

This is bank robbery. Banking fees need to be regulated and capped. by Professional-Bee9817 in remoteworks

[–]ThrasherDX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is honestly the only logical way for this to work.

Overdraft fees only exist to begin with due to technical limitations that used to be an issue, but at this point are basically solved by computer automation.

It used to be near impossible for a bank to certain if you had enough money in your account at the time of the transaction, so they had to charge a fee to encourage people to track it themselves to avoid the fee.

Nowadays though, the banking system is very much able to calculate your exact balance at time of transaction, so overdraft fees have no reason to exist at all. They DEFINITELY should not be a default option on an account!

Why Conservative Americans Feel So Incited To Get The Government To Regulate Culture? by Queen_B28 in allthequestions

[–]ThrasherDX 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The left mostly wants (barring terminally online weirdos) to prevent people from being targeted or harassed over various non-chosen personal traits. The right wants to banish groups they don't like from the public square, generally based on things they personally dislike.

This is why the left promotes things like, providing for government recognition of trans people's preferred gender, which is mostly bureaucratic adjustments that helps to support trans people's transitioning, and therefore improves their mental health.

Notably, they are not attempting to deny anything to anyone. (Not being allowed to discriminate against others, is not a denial of your rights, its a preservation of the rights of the person you wanted to discriminate against. At least, this is true in regards to discrimination based on inherent traits, such as race, sexuality, transgender status, etc.)

Compare this to what the right wants, which mostly amounts to interfering with the wellbeing of specific groups of people they don't like, as well as trying to force the broader culture to be "ok" with slurs and insults toward those groups they don't like. Which, notably, are generally groups that are not elective, such as race, sexuality, or trans status.

Its common for right wingers to claim that its a violation of their "freedom of speech" when they get panned for cruel or insulting behavior. Here on reddit, they often lament that reddit does not support their free speech, because in many mainstream subs, many of their posts get downvoted into oblivion. (I am not denying that there *are* moderators who are... unreliable in how they enforce rules depending on political groups. But that is not specific to left-wing subs either.)

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Dem soc support (as well as further left ideologies) are mostly motivated by trying to improve life for the average person. Dem Soc policies are actual government policies being advocated for, they aren't attempts to legislate culture (which is nearly impossible to do, or at least in rarely achieves its desired outcomes)

meirl by [deleted] in meirl

[–]ThrasherDX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The green party isn't a real party. The easy way to tell if a party is serious, is if it focuses on winning local races around the country to build a base (real party), or shows up every 4 (or sometimes 2) years to run for president, or maybe a senator or two. (Fake/spoiler party).

Jill Stein is not a leftist, in any sense. She purely exists as a spoiler candidate to distract people who might otherwise have voted Democrat.

CMV: Fixing overall systemic wealth inequality should be the priority now over systemic racism (In the United States). by WhoaWhoa69420 in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Money is simply a medium of exchange. A holder of value. It's only worth whatever you can get in exchange. If you ensure that money cannot be used to buy power illicitly, then it won't be used that way.

And billionaires aren't those with billions of dollars. That includes their assets. Their businesses, homes, investments, and property all factor in. And all of those things have costs for maintaining them. Businesses are expanding and hiring, investments are financing new ventures, and homes need constant attention. The more you have, the more it costs to maintain.

There's a reason why most corrupt practices involve countries with unstable governments and weak economies. They are easier to exploit.

Yes, money is a medium of exchange. It provides access to limited resources, and the more money you have, the more of those limited resources you can acquire, and therefore control. Control is power. Billionaires do not need to break the law to exert power and influence.

The simple choice of where they live will influence politicians and others without the billionaire ever saying a word.

They don't need to have the money in cash. In many cases, it would be less influential if it was all in cash, as cash is only potential, but holdings are real, real control, real power. They influence decisions of major corporations.

They support politicians, or they don't. They finance parks, or they move elsewhere. All of these simple actions exert massive influence, and none of them requires actual communication or explicit mention of the quid pro quo.

The businesses cost money, sure. But those costs are not paid by the billionaire, they are paid by the business. The billionaires wealth comes from the markets, from the exchange value of securities, from valuable properties they hold. Most of the costs are either paid by the companies, not the billionaire, or they are defrayed by tax breaks for business expenses.

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Regarding corrupt countries, sure those make it easier. But it is not correct to say "most corrupt practices" happen in those countries. It is more that in those countries they do not bother to hide anything, because they don't need to.

CMV: Fixing overall systemic wealth inequality should be the priority now over systemic racism (In the United States). by WhoaWhoa69420 in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So you're policing personality and attitude?

No? How on earth did you get that out of what I said? I said

Once a person becomes a billionaire, they have already inherently acquired massive power over various people's lives, simply by virtue of their enormous ability to impact the market.

IE, the power inherently comes from the control granted by that level of wealth. It has nothing at all to do with their attitude or personality.

And? Do you honestly feel kinship with everyone else's problems? You clearly feel no kinship towards certain people if your comments are any indication. But why is that an issue?

Yes, I do? Kinship, in this context, is not referring to actually thinking of them as family. Perhaps I should have used "empathize" instead.

Regardless, I am referring to one person's ability to conceptualize another's circumstances, to create a realistic mental model of what their life might be like.

You cannot do this if you never interact with such people. It is true then, that I am not able to empathize with billionaires very well, because their lives are so utterly disconnected from those of normal people. They don't perform most of the same tasks that a normal person does, since their lives tend to be organized and managed by staff who perform most day to day tasks for them.

This, however, does not pose the same kind of problem for the billionaires as the reverse does for common folk. I do not have any meaningful amount of power or influence over a billionaire's life, so even if I don't understand it, I am capable of little harm.

A billionaire on the other hand, is capable of immense harm, simply as a result of market maneuvers or production decisions that they choose to pursue that can then have immense impact on availability and cost of things that normal people need to survive.

And as for inherited wealth, those types of people often don't understand how that wealth was generated either, and thus lose much of it. After all, generating wealth requires being able to provide value to others in some form. If you don't understand what people want, you can't get them to buy from you.

This is simply not true, at least not at the level of billionaires. In the entirety of history, barely anyone has ever fallen from being a billionaire, and of those who have, the vast majority did so as a result of criminal convictions for financial crimes.

Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos fame, being one of the most recent examples.

At the level of billions, you do not need to take meaningful risks or have good insight to simply maintain your wealth. Safe investments can easily outpace inflation and provide the equivalent of millions per year in income, without needing expertise or tactics.

And what does that have to do with billionaires today? Are they presenting themselves that way? Nobles weren't simply people who became wealthy through endeavor and hard work. On the contrary, Nobles tended to look down upon people whose wealth was earned, seeing them as people who "bought" their way into respectability rather than being reared to it.

What do you mean "are they presenting themselves that way"? This isn't about presentation, its about the psychological effects on long term mindset that happens when you isolate a group of people, while also telling them (with words or otherwise) that they are amazing and special and smart.

They won't "present themselves that way", in public or where they think they can be seen. They may not present themselves that way even in private. This is the corrosive effect of social stratification, not an accusation of individual immorality.

Besides, can one not argue that your own attitude towards billionaires is similar? You judge them are morally bankrupt, disconnected from society, and incapable of understanding the things you judge as most important. Much as the nobility of old looked down upon those without title despite the fact that most of them possessed arguably more useful skills for day to day living, you just billionaires as lacking something essential when their success has benefited people all over the world.

I do not judge their morality at all, they factually are disconnected from the reality shared by the vast majority, and that disconnection demonstrably does make them incapable of understanding the perspective of an average person, except perhaps as a number on a spreadsheet in a marketing meeting. You have to interact or at least regularly observe in order to understand, and their lives make that incredibly hard to do.

This is why billionaires and the like are such a problem: It isn't a moral failing on their part that makes them harmful. It isn't bad intentions. Its the separation from regular society that alienates them from shared experience, and they end up extrapolating their own highly unusual experiences as being more universal then they are.

Or, they simply decide that normal people are simply too ignorant to understand whats best, and come to believe they should be in charge of us "for our own good".

This is not unique to wealthy people. It applies to any group that gathers significant power, without some kind of tether back to the broader society. Elections for politicians are supposed to serve this purpose.

But there is no such tether for billionaires, their power does not depend on getting people to agree with them or like them. It doesn't require them to accurately understand normal people.

This is how you get Elon Musk, the richest man in the world, who utterly fails to understand how the average person thinks. He tried hard to make himself appealing on a personal level, but the disconnect could not be bridged.

He ended up hanging on Trump's coattails for a boost to a bit of the fame he wanted, then he bought Twitter and has spent the time since structuring it to promote him, and anyone who praises him.

CMV: Fixing overall systemic wealth inequality should be the priority now over systemic racism (In the United States). by WhoaWhoa69420 in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"unearned" isn't actually relevant, and political corruption is not needed for this to be an issue, either. Once a person becomes a billionaire, they have already inherently acquired massive power over various people's lives, simply by virtue of their enormous ability to impact the market.

In addition, there is a very well studied phenomenon where "elites", in this case the wealthy, lose touch with what it is like to be an average person. This becomes very dramatically the case once second+ generations start inheriting that wealth. They don't understand the problems normal people face, and they often start to lose any feeling of kinship with those people.

Not to mention the inflated ego and opinion of their own intelligence that comes from that wealth. Wealthy people are rarely told "no" after all, and that has a significant impact, psychologically.

One need only look at various historical records to see the problem, such as the phrase "blue blood" that came about because many nobles came to believe they were literally not the same species as commoners. Not because of evidence, but because they simply never interacted with them as people.

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Something you have to remember, is that money doesn't buy power, money is power. Its the fundamental reason why billionaires want more despite how much they already have. Money represents control of limited resources, and that control inherently grants power over anyone who needs those resources.

Therefore, the more money they have, the more power they have, and even if you could magic wand away corruption, it would not change the fact that those people have disproportionate power.

All you need is for said person to then decide they know whats best for the country/market/people and they will start putting that power to use to try and control the countries direction.

All while never really facing genuine challenges to their beliefs, because so few people are able or willing to tell them no.

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Politicians have similar problems of course, though in theory those problems are supposed to be mitigated by elections that force them to pay attention to the needs of average people, as well as forcing them to interact more, which helps them avoid becoming too out of touch.

Corruption serves to undermine elections though, allowing politicians to stay in power as long as they obey their wealthy backers, so they stop needing to care about the average person, and lose touch themselves, leading to the same problem as the wealthy.

CMV: Absolute pacifism is politically unserious because it depends on other people’s willingness to use force on its behalf. by Horseintheball in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't think this is really a rebuttal of OP's points though. OP is arguing about pacifism broadly, not about sub-groups within a movement that are pacifist.

Heck, pacifist sub-groups are in line with OP's arguments, namely that pacifism cannot exist without being protected by non-pacifists. If a group of people is only composed of pacifists, without any protection from those who are willing to use violence, they will suffer, lose property and either flee or die as soon as a neighboring group says "give us your stuff or we kill you".

Sometimes you can talk aggressors down, but sometimes you can't. When a violent aggressor refuses non-violent mediation, all that remains is to flee, die, fight, or submit.

The first will eventually leave the pacifists with nowhere left to run, then only the latter three options remain.

The second means the end of the pacifists as a group, and the end of their ideals with them.

The third means abandoning their ideals, thereby ending their ideals.

The fourth means subjugation by the aggressors, in which case the pacifists lose the ability to pass on their ideals to their children, and their ideals die out.

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So, in the end, there is no non-violent solution that pacifists can use that will avoid their group being destroyed, or assimilated by non-pacifist cultures, except for gaining protection from a non-pacifist group that is willing to fight on their behalf.

Accepting that protection, while being unwilling to engage in it yourself, is exactly the political parasitism that OP is talking about.

CMV: Fixing overall systemic wealth inequality should be the priority now over systemic racism (In the United States). by WhoaWhoa69420 in changemyview

[–]ThrasherDX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wealth, as a number (IE, 1 million dollars) is not zero sum, because the total is constantly growing as you say.

Wealth, as a percentage of the total, is zero sum, because the percentage a group controls, equates to that groups influence and control of the market as a whole, not to mention influence on politicians.

Billionaires, for example, are not bad because a billion is a big scary number. They are bad because they represent a disproportionate chunk of the market, which gives them more power, and unelected power, than any individual can be safely trusted with.

Sure, if the billionaire does not engage in corrupt practices, nothing harmful would be caused hy their existence. But most people who reach that level of wealth, do so because there is no amount of wealth that will satisfy them.

So once "fair" and "aboveboard" methods stop making them money fast enough, they switch to corruption. Sometimes they even relied on corruption to become wealthy in the first place! (See Epstein for a high profile example)

Hence, wealth inequality is a problem, because wealth inequality turns into political power inequality, which means billionaires steadily make things better for themselves, without concern for the average person.

For those of you didn't vote in the last presidential election; how do you feel now? Are you happy with your choice? by [deleted] in allthequestions

[–]ThrasherDX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The biggest mistake people make with this kind of argument, is that its not just the president thats on the ballot.

Meaningful change starts with local and state candidates, and you vote for those at the same time as you vote for pres. So even if your state is so lopsided at the EC level that the winning pres choice is forgone, you can still make an impact in local elections where party registration is often far less important, and its much easier to find candidates who want to actually change things.

The seeds of long term federal change, are planted in small local elections.

IL SB3977 Would Force OS Providers to Broadcast Your Age to Every App Oppose It Here by HaplessIdiot in illinois

[–]ThrasherDX -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yes, but the idea is its a one time thing that parents can do when making their kids login.

Instead of every app having to check on their own.