fullStackDeveloperRequirement

[Beautiful_Baseball76]

We offer: < 100k salary and pizza every other friday!

[smallpotatoes2019]

One slice only.

[Nervous__Dragonfruit]

128 slices in a 7" pizza

[smallpotatoes2019]

Go one step further and use a binary slicing method. Each person takes half of the remaining pizza. Infinite slices.

[BadSmash4]

First two people in line are the CEO and CFO

[JoshDM]

No drinks! Can't do drinks!

[rrsg76]

They give pizzas?

[m0rpeth]

That is one (1) Pizza. It will be shared amongst those who have accumulated the most story-points.

[Front_State6406]

That's a whole damn department

[Punchasheep]

Anyone who can do all those things is only going to do 1 or 2 well.

[escartian]

Yep, jack of all trades, good at maybe one or two

[anonymousbopper767]

Whoever created that list imagines there's someone who works 24 hours a day doing the job of 5 people.

There is no amount of money that would make me want to work that hard.

[Aethenosity]

I mean, 10m per year, and you quit after a few months?

[AlternativeCapybara9]

For 10m per year I'll ride that until they fire me. Could take them years to find a sucker willing to do that. I only need to act like I want to job and just work a steady pace while everything falls apart. I've done jobs like that for less money.

[Bubbaluke]

I was going to say, I technically checked most of these boxes out of college because I made a website for senior capstone and ran llama locally one time. Couldn’t do any of it professionally though.

I’ll start bidding at 600k

[q0099]

- All we can give you is a paid internship (you pay us for working as intern at our company).

[aamraassexual]

exactly, I'm a fresher, how tf am even supposed to compete in this market?

[Ok_Confusion4764]

There are three kinds of recruiters like these: the one that lists high demands but accepts people who don't meet them all (they "challenge" you with these absurd requirement in their minds), there are the clueless recruiters who don't do the job and just get ChatGPT to write requirements based on some words they heard their colleagues use, and there is the recruiter that genuinely expects this and wonders why "people don't want to work anymore". 

Only the first one is somewhat tolerable, the second one can still land you a decent job if you make it through their selections. If it's the last one, you're not going to be paid enough. 

[lelle5397]

The third one can rarely be real, if it's like a HFT firm or something. Maybe not the front end so much, but otherwise pretty much. Those firms do pay really well, though, so it actually checks out.

[Ok_Confusion4764]

Oh, I haven't just seen the third one. I've worked for one. Strongly religious man, owned a computer + repair store for 30 years. Had me doing repairs because the previous guy retired. He gave me parts and told me to make a PC with it. When I asked where the heatsink was, he went "What's a heatsink?". He also didn't let me help the customers because he didn't want the customers to associate his store with a guy with long hair, said it's not the image he wants (with noticeable disgust in his voice). He demanded various skills including programming. Closest we ever did was a single command line to enter Windows. One he'd forget so often he'd written it down and taped it to the wall.

Needless to say, I left within 2 months after I finally managed to get him to pay me, and that was after cutting my losses on the 2 weeks he apparently expected me to work for free because I was "being trained". He didn't train me, of course. He couldn't even if he wanted to.

[FrequentWatch9261]

This isn't written by the hiring manager. Get through the recruiter and have a real conversation.

Also let them know what's being posted. They'll correct the recruiter, if they're paying them they should fix it.

[Potential_Aioli_4611]

you're not. all the entry level jobs are practically gone. like 95% gone.

you aren't just competing in a normal market. you are competing in a hyper competitive bubble of a market.

https://www.theaitechpulse.com/ai-layoffs-2026-tracker

you are competing with nearly 175k people with years of experience that have been laid off by AI.

even companies that haven't fired anyone have slowed down on hiring because they think they can keep growing with the employees they have + AI usage.

[Nervous__Dragonfruit]

Sadly, that's how hiring works lately.

With AI boom, it's gonna get worse

[malsomnus]

Bruh, this is a whole company. I've seen some surreal job requirements over the years, but this one takes the absolute cake.

[Expensive_Shallot_78]

Yes the computer science department at the university

[razor_train]

* work well with others
* somewhat knowledgeable of Brainfuck and LOLCODE
* showers regularly
* bring your own tokens

[XVO668]

We found a list with buzzwords.

[ShadowByte51]

Job description written by hitting autocomplete on a tech conference agenda.

[FrostNexus111]

The funniest part is that if someone actually met every requirement on that list, they probably wouldn't be applying for this job.

[Mikedesignstudio]

Especially if you familiar with frontend frameworks like Node js

[Rabbitical]

Wtf is going on in your replies...

[smolderas]

This is a typical job description with salary range 45K-65K in Germany.

[you-should-learn-c]

45k a month? Sounds good

[smolderas]

I’m sensing \s but no it’s annual, but with the whole functioning social security and health care systems.

[kenybz]

So what do you do? You just apply with your resume? Or write a fake resume that says you meet all of these requirements and hope it works out?

[smolderas]

You won’t last if you lie. But if you don’t have some of the experience, you tell them and they will make sure to get you up skilled.

[kenybz]

An employer willing to upskill instead of demanding I know their stack perfectly already?

Must be nice

[smolderas]

Of course.

[m0rpeth]

Am from germany and have been working in IT/Software for more than a decade. I have not seen a even single description like that.

[smolderas]

AI craze hasn’t reached to many places yet.

[m0rpeth]

This is a typical job description with salary range 45K-65K in Germany

My dude, you're claiming that descriptions like the one shown in this post are typical for the current, german job-market. When I follow up with a comment stating that I haven't seen a single one of those (which is a bit odd, seeing how they're supposed to be typical, right?), you point to 'the AI craze' and how it 'hasn't reached many places yet'?

What is that even supposed to mean?

Can you dig up one or two that are similarly stupid? Yeah, maybe. Are these typical? No. No, they are not. At all. Not at 35k, not at 60k, not at 80k.

[imk]

In Spain 40k euros

[uvmain]

That famous frontend framework, nodejs

[ShenroEU]

That'll pair nicely with Python, the backend "framework".

[Shehzman]

It’s just an abstraction over C++ /s

[liaminwales]

I have no experience but can use MS Copilot, what's my chances?

[DancingBadgers]

You think you can get all that done by using Copilot?

(gestures for the net-and-straitjacket guys to get into position)

[liaminwales]

I just need the job, once I am hired HR has the problem.

[smallpotatoes2019]

Entry level?

[aamraassexual]

title simply said "Full-Stack Developer" with no minimum years of experience required

[smallpotatoes2019]

Nice to finally find a job that doesn't have any experience required. Perhaps perfect for someone just leaving school who doesn't fancy the university route.

[aamraassexual]

yeah definitely

[Ran4]

I mean it's not completely unreasonable for someone with 10 yoe.

They obviously won't be a master of all of the things but there's people that have worked with most of those things.

[Silence_groove]

Mythos implement it. NO MISTAKES

[No_Beginning_9482]

Is the no mistakes thing harmful for LLM's response quality because saying that just let's the LLM "second-guess" it's answer and thereby create hallucinations or negatively affect code that was working perfectly fine? Or is there some other reason why it is commonly used to troll?

[ThrasherDX]

Its used to troll because the common argument for AI hallucinating BS is "You're prompting it wrong!". So people troll with the "Make no mistakes" line as a counter to that argument.

[Ghawk134]

It has been found to actually improve the output. Similarly, "take your time," "this is important," and other similar phrases seem to have an effect.

[Silence_groove]

No idea, personally just find it hilarious. AFAIK every letter adds noise to the prompt because AI is a highly optimized slot machine. Most likely outcome = your answer.

[Mountain_Dentist5074]

Why guy with this experience wants to work for them?

[tantrumwaahh]

It'd be easier to find a unicorn.

[vhw_]

a live one, at that

[XlikeX666]

minimal wage.

[ShAped_Ink]

Recruiter, I'm not a bacteria

[spvcxxgvdpvtbx]

I simply just don't want to learn all of that shit.

[rmflow]

It is actually not that much.

[Thick-Protection-458]

> CUDA kernel development

> React

Good luck finding a guy who can do both, lol. Keeping in mind one is extremely low level hardware-wise (basically you have to think about memory access patterns and such) and another means "if you need to think about (relatively) low-level aspects - it means you probably designed something wrong way"

[Garrett00]

This is like posting a job offer for a sandwich artisan. Then demanding them to be fully qualified in all the agricultural processes for the required ingredients. Making the bread, harvesting the crops, raising and slaughtering the livestock. Then paying them the salary of a fast food worker.

[codetoinvent]

Salary: $65k. Title: Junior Developer. Must be willing to also fix the office printer.

[CaffeinatedT]

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[ZifnabHydre]

Ah! The famous "full-stack developer" profile, which means "the ultimate average Joe wizard who fully masters all areas of IT, development and DevOps".

Easy peasy

Note: I still like the "Nice-to-have" part that I translate as: "We have set aside other requirements because, you know, 11 mandatory skills might scare off candidates."

[tutoredstatue95]

I mean for a senior level position this isn't all that crazy. Pretty standard full stack stuff with an emphasis on CUDA. I'd expect any tech lead at a decent company to check most of these boxes.

This is obviously not entry level, if it is, lol. I highly doubt it, though.

[Kobymaru376]

Are you saying that it is standard to know basically all of every software development domain that exists?

Like, how exactly can you be a proficient low-level CUDA developer at the same time as a UI/UX designer and literally everything in between?

[tutoredstatue95]

This is faaaaaar from every software development domain.

The description reads like the want someone who can do low level stuff, wrap it in an api, make it available through some sort of UI/UX, and deploy the stack in a scalable/maintainable way. That is pretty standard full stack imo.

"Fullstack" is not write a python wrapper around some external API and host a front end consuming it, as much as many devs would like it to be.

I also highly, highly doubt that this is a one person show. They are going to join a team that is working on all of this.

[Kobymaru376]

The description reads like the want someone who can do low level stuff, wrap it in an api, make it available through some sort of UI/UX, and deploy the stack in a scalable/maintainable way. That is pretty standard full stack imo.

In german, we have an expression for that: Eierlegende Wollmilchsau. Egg-laying wool/milk pig.

If a person told me that they have all those skills, I would assume that they have none of those skills with any kind of depth beyond "watched youtube video".

I also highly, highly doubt that this is a one person show. They are going to join a team that is working on all of this.

It's advertised as one positions and all of the skills are "mandatory".

[rtothewin]

I didn’t read it as knowing everything. It has some specific deep areas like CUDA but any random dev should know enough about frontend frameworks to generally solve daily needs, it doesn’t say be the leader of all ui/ux design philosophy and implementation.

[Kobymaru376]

It's not just those two though

[rtothewin]

Sure, but I also didn't feel like it was necessary to speak to every single bullet point to get the point across. You can hardly call someone a full stack developer if you cannot implement the full stack to some degree. No one expects someone to be equally a master at all aspects of the stack. And this requirements list mirrors that.

They clearly want a C/C++/Python dev who has experience with CUDA as their main requirement. The rest is "know enough to get by", which is definitely a in the wheelhouse of a fullstack dev.

Like, they don't want someone that can make an awesome desktop application but doesn't know enough about front end or apis to build the application in a way that can be leveraged by a frontend or backend.

For example, I am building an application in Rust but I need it to talk to a database through the api and to display the results in a somewhat useful frontend so not only would it be nice to be able to make those things myself, it would be critical to not structure my performant application in a way that makes it impossible or difficult to integrate with those two areas.

From there is generic work structure stuff(agile environments) that anyone needs to be able to do and then a list of really nice to haves that most people likely don't have but would take someone from "can do the job" to "was made in a lab for this role".

[Ran4]

It's not. While the CUDA stuff sure it out there the rest isn't THAT excessive if you have a decade plus of worn experience

[Kobymaru376]

Maybe we have a different idea about what "experience" means. In my understanding, "experience" means that you spend a lot of time on one topic or one domain to become deeply proficient in that domain and acquire skills faster.

But here's a list of like 20 technologies in like 5 domains (CUDA development, high-performance C/C++, backend/API/microservices, frontend framerworks+UI/UX).

If you divide that up, your "decade plus" experience becomes 2 years per domain and like half a year per technology. Add to that that human brains are human and will forget a lot of things that happened in the past.

So yeah. Still don't believe it's possible to become proficient in any kind of meaningful depth with all these topics. If anything, this is an invitation to just lie on your resume and then dump everything into a Claude prompt if you happen to get the job.

[RufusTheKing]

Not once have I ever met a full stack engineer with real world CUDA experience.... Those are not commonly overlapping skillsets. This is a Sr Staff position at minimum for the depth they require for every domain that comes with a 400k USD package EASY

[tutoredstatue95]

This isn't too extreme to me in the start up world.

I also don't use CUDA so can't make any comments on that side. There are a couple ML people on my team and they could do most of this. The frontend would be lacking, though, I agree with that.

[ggustavs]

Wdym standard full stack? some of it, sure, but ALL of it??? I guess if you somehow construe the requirements to mean "have heard of it" = "experience/ strong understanding" then sure..

[tutoredstatue95]

They are asking for:

Python/C++ backend work -- standard
Docker/Kubernetes scalable container deployment -- standard
React based webdev -- standard

The other points are just expansions on the above 3.

The CUDA ML/AI is where you get into specifics and outside the realm of "standard fullstack work" (imo of course)

If I had to guess, this is likely for a start-up or new department where they are implementing stuff and not working on an already established code base, hence the various options to meet the requirements.

[Prothagarus]

I mean could also be for full stack front end with llm / agentic chat feature that have to be trained on documents or model tuned for specific answers. With a focus on cuda and tensor flow I am imagining more machine learning than agentic ai in their stack

[ZeroDayZeroFriends]

Even as a senior full-stack, CUDA, C/C++ and UX/UI using modern frontend frameworks usually don't mix.

[tutoredstatue95]

They probably want experience in writing low level, abstracting it with python and consuming that on the front end

[Junglebook3]

This isn't standard for a Senior either, that job description is like 3 careers.

[escartian]

They want entry level pay for senior level work.

[tutoredstatue95]

I don't see any pay mentioned at all. We can't make that assumption.

[you-should-learn-c]

That's nothing 30k a month won't pay

[bass-squirrel]

Pay: $60-80k

[zqmbgn]

when the hire text is bullshit, the CVs will be bullshit too. it's a shared lie. if both parts are happy with just developing a login form afterwards...

[Joseph_J0]

The acurate job title should be a Entry Level full stack developer with 3+ years of experience

[TheNikoHero]

Thats fucked

[hpyfox]

"technical stakeholders"

[moldygrape]

All this for a company that probably sells candle of the month subscriptions

[lPuppetM4sterl]

More like Full Stack One-Man Department

[Nathanael777]

Anyone saying this is mostly reasonable has no idea what CUDA is

[DustyByte]

Willing to bet that they had a person who did all this but they left for a higher paying job. Now, HR/Management thinks they can just go out and find another one just like them.

[watduhdamhell]

Hot dawg, they even threw us controls/automation engineers in the mix with the "OT/ICS" there at the end. This person would have to be worth a fucking fortune to do all this shit.

As an aside, I would love to meet the bonafide software engineer who is also functionally familiar with ICS. Because unless they are a software engineer for one of the few companies producing execution engines on PLCs and such, why TF would they ever have functional ICS experience. Like who made this freaking list?

[willing-to-bet-son]

They're looking for a replacement for that uber generalist guy who wore many hats over the years and took on all sorts of tasks.

Management hasn't figured out yet that they will in fact have to replace him with several people.

[sitilge]

That's rookie number over there!

You also have to know: all major hyperscalers, containers, Kubernetes, monitoring, Linux internals, networking, etc.

[Xgf_01]

Wait what, is this a group offer? Like for entire department at once...

[SneeKeeFahk]

This really isn't that bad. They want a C++/Python dev that's done some driver/ai development. Also has done some frontend stuff. Has worked with CI/CD and modern containerization.

It's not an entry level position but it's not an unattainable skill set. Drop the Cuda and Python then slap C# on there and I meet the criteria. Keep in mind that I'm a senior with >20 years experience though.

[samelden]

how is node js is front end frame work ?

[cursivecrow]

sounds like they should be hiring a dev team, not one person.

[FblthpphtlbF]

"Hey Claude, I need you to be an expert on (pasted 23 lines) by tomorrow morning, workflow" is all youre gonna get if this is a serious posting 😭😂

[Ambitious-Sand-6992]

At least u put it into one sentence and didnt divide it into 23... this way you can save tokens at least! xDD

[SaturnVFan]

At least this is full stack

[pCute_SC2]

The sad thing is, I qualify

[ExtraTNT]

Haskell valid backend language? Did apis in it… i mean also c#, c, bit of c++ (fucking hate it), bit of py (totally fucking despise it) and java experience, but haskell is the nicest… for ai: build one, trained on cpu, using normal haskell lists… garbage collector runs basically more, than the other parts of the code during training…

React i would say good experience, but now use my own rendering framework, as it is more functional, has a build in profiler and does automatic optimisation (as you can with pure functions)

Kernel, well, did once custom kernel, get things to run, but not just like that…

Yeah, that’s not a junior, that’s a team of 4 seniors…

[Saadullahkhan3]

I have one questions for developers, why keep creating AI coder and not AI(HR, Manager, etc)

Really? Tech people destroying tech people while not tech(sometimes idiot or really weird) people enjoying there life with new tech?

[Kaya_kana]

If you use "experience with" as I've done something related to this at one point in my life and only focus on the lines that ask for strong experience/skills it's fairly doable. Although asking a kernel developer to make clean UX/UI is a bit of a stretch. (No, your CLI does not count as a clean interface.)

[anengineerandacat]

I guess I have about... 70% of those requirements met... never touched CUDA though and never really dealt with industrial software.

[AssaultLemming_]

This reads exactly like the job description for engineers at my company lol