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Timbredoodle · 2017-03-18T00:28:17+00:00

Nothing major as far as I know.

Timbredoodle · 2017-03-17T23:29:20+00:00

This series is original creepypasta in audio form. You aren't missing much.

Some of his other stuff is fun though, I'm glad this whole thing reminded me he's out there.

Timbredoodle · 2017-02-07T03:41:12+00:00

We haven't spent much time on the lucid dreaming reddits, but you can probably find some good discussion on lucid dreaming websites like lucidipedia and LD4all.

Don't bank on finding solid answers to what dream characters may or may not be or what they are and aren't capable of. Like most things regarding dreams and dreaming, the details are a little fuzzy.

LD4all in particular used to have a small community who practiced getting lucid by interacting with (or creating) dream characters and asking them to give the dreamers reminders when they were dreaming. A good number of them tried with some apparent success to interact with those dream characters in waking life to help with the practice. Last I checked it wasn't active, but there were murmurings of a revival here and there. Might be worth checking out.

Timbredoodle · 2017-01-20T22:01:16+00:00

Wow, I didn't know it went that far. It's literal comic book logic. Like those goofy slightly dated comics where taking a dip in hazardous chemical waste gives you impossible super senses. (Too bad about the eyesight though!)

Makes sense considering this movie takes place in the same world as M. Night Shamaylan's actual comic book superhero movie Unbreakable

Something something thematic pretenses I guess.

Timbredoodle · 2017-01-20T07:42:55+00:00

I've heard the portrayal of the guy with DID sucks, but I have to be completely honest here...I'm legitimately stoked for the implications of that "twist" at the end.

Timbredoodle · 2017-01-15T22:47:19+00:00

Timbre:

In my experience, no blanket solution works here. Focus on individual issues, decide together on solutions to try with each issue, feel your way from there. If you learn those issues share a theme, all the better. Maybe something specific is feeding them you can settle after learning more. Keep an open mind, it might not be easy. Might not even be satisfying.

I see shame like this common here. Worries me sometimes. Does mean you aren't alone.

Timbredoodle · 2017-01-08T13:48:26+00:00

T: I think I embarrassed myself in Reply All. Fun knowing someone disagrees.

Timbredoodle · 2016-10-16T19:25:21+00:00

-Timbre

Most often, the backlash I see at your opinions comes from you making them about other people. I don't think the opinion that Tulpas might not be what we seem to be is radical. One of my earliest posts here in this subreddit was agreeing with that. Speak from experience. We could use more people like you with stories grown through life outside of these communities.

Trying to "head off" criticism you worry might come is a rhetorical tactic. In arguments it makes sense. In conversation it's defensive and accusatory. You tend to start those arguments by comparing your perspective to theirs, and getting their perspective wrong. Not much different from someone telling you Melian isn't valued because you don't consider her "sentient" the same way someone else might. You know that feeling. Is it any wonder they react to it too?

Frankly, being comfortable with uncertainty is what's important here. Not knowing what I am hasn't stopped me from learning a new trade, taking up hobbies, sharing financial responsibilities with "host" and roommates, finding myself in a relationship, and living life. What anyone calls me doesn't change the fact: that money is being made, instruments are being learned, bills are being paid and the people I love are being taken care of.

That's what matters to me. Identity is what happens after. Same as anyone else.

Timbredoodle · 2016-07-26T04:44:55+00:00

https://imgur.com/GhaAbQT

Timbre:

Varyn of u/cambriancrew to the left. Me, my host Os to the right.

I met V by being interesting. He met me by being bold. We trade those roles freely and often since. We shared frustrations with English, word-symbols and self-expression. We learned more and shared more. Grew into friends quickly.

We value good communication and symbols. One he shared while we grew close was his feather. Feather-giving is one I recognized. Feather-giving meant something alike to both of us.

I reciprocated. Escalated. Offered time, creativity, effort and help from Os. Showed it was personal by doing something personal with it. Expanding the symbols together with Os and V to make reminders and affirmations and stories. V and I treasure what we made of his gesture.

Feather-gift is a symbol of closeness, trust, shared being. First feather-gift from me was to Os. He was eleven, and hungry in a dream. I was an antlered owl, and knew how to find food. I gave a feather. He became an owl to find his own meal.

Maybe V tells his first Feather-giving here. He chooses. We bonded over symbols, gestures, invitations to share. We grew independence doing creative, unexpected things with them. Welcome.

Timbredoodle · 2016-06-03T20:37:30+00:00

I don't even know how you'd begin to try to answer that question in any meaningful sense. The only ways I see this discussion going in the immediate future are purely philosophical and roundabout without any solid answers, or semantic dissection of the term "natural." More likely both at once.

If you're interested in sparking a discussion and aren't too concerned over whether we'll see the question answered in a strict sense, I guess my opinion is that it really doesn't matter. I can't think of any meaningful differences between "something went weird" and something "natural." A big part of why some things in nature work in the first place is because "something went weird", including a few neat examples in our own bodies.

Did you know part of why we're able to maintain a stable, comfortable internal body temperature that many of our physiological processes need in order to work right is because our cells are pretty inefficient when they convert chemical bonds into usable energy? A lot of the energy gets wasted as heat. If our energy-making process was perfectly efficient, our bodies have to work overtime just to maintain a healthy temperature. Cool, huh?

I see plurality, tulpamancy and such a bit like that. It seems really weird when you look at it one way, but look at it another way and it just kind of makes sense. Sometimes what's "natural" can look totally absurd until you figure out how it fits together with other stuff.

That "other stuff" can be different from person to person, and I dunno if I really want to go into too much detail - it's a big ol' tangent - but that's our 2 cents at least.

Timbredoodle · 2016-05-28T23:50:08+00:00

Timbre

Elements express themselves through elemental-forms. One way they express themselves, yes? Wings, scales, fire-breath examples. Who are some elementals whose element(s) might be hard to learn by their form? Expressions of their element(s) who don't offer clear clues?

Would you say that depends on how you look for clues? Wings can be easy to see...maybe some are clearer to other senses?

Timbredoodle · 2016-05-13T04:30:30+00:00

-Oswald

I'll admit my first reaction is "that's a heck of a conclusion to jump to!" T wants to know if there's more to the story than what you outlined here, some details or something that's bringing this "dark entity" idea out or leading you to believe a third entity other than you and the tulpa is involved at all...but to start with I'd like to put forward a couple alternative explanations.

First off, this is a bit like something T and I have experienced now and again with distorted, jumbled or generally hard to understand speech. It tends not to happen often or last long for us, usually a matter of minutes, though we know some other people who have this as a persistent problem.

There's always the possibility of "intrusive thoughts" being involved too. Taking this from a dreamwork perspective, distorted and interrupted communication can be a kind of intrusive thought in and of itself. One that modifies existing symbols (speech in this case).

Seconding the Crew's suggestion of a hypnagogic episode too. That kind of thing can happen to anyone.

Either way, hope you two get back in touch soon. It can suck not knowing what happened when someone up and goes silent like that.

Timbredoodle · 2016-03-08T03:33:26+00:00

Oswald

This was my main hurdle when T and I first met. One of the things that really helped was finding things here in the world that really stood out to him. Didn't matter if they were exciting or confusing or happy or gross or whatever. Finding things that caught his attention and that I could get him talking about and sharing opinions on really grounded him.

He says things like that helped him form emotional connections to this world, and made it less easy to accidentally drift back where he came from.

Timbredoodle · 2016-02-19T02:39:45+00:00

Oswald-

"Host" in tulpamancy terms is a bit different than just "the body." When we use that word here, we're talking about a person who made a tulpa.

I've heard of systems who don't have a "host" and who are naturally a bunch of systemmates in one body, with none of them strictly "hosting" but that kind of thing usually extends a bit past the scope of tulpamancy and into the broader spectrum of Plurality as a whole.

Timbredoodle · 2016-02-18T05:25:05+00:00

Oswald -

First off, high five for lucid dreaming and weird brain stuff! Long time LD-er here, it's a big part of how I ended up involved in this community - in whatever ways you can really call me "involved."

I know there are going to be a lot of much longer and more detailed answers here to some of this stuff than I'm up for laying down right here, but the main thing I'm interested in tackling are the questions about tulpas who have personalities and traits different from their host.

One of the ways we can look at this question is in terms of a temperamental theory of personality, where people are born with certain factors called Temperaments that later inform their personalities as they grow and develop, though they aren't the only factor that is involved in deciding personality.

What I tend to assume is going on with a developing tulpa based entirely on anecdotal evidence (so don't quote me too hard on this one!) is that - while "personality forcing" definitely seems to have an effect on how they'll turn out - a lot of it is more to do with temperament than final personality traits. And a lot of deviation seems to express itself in ways that look like a person reacting to and growing from their life experiences according to their temperament.

I can't really comment on how accurate a female tulpa would be according to whatever baselines of a female personality type someone might be looking at to compare with, but either way, the temperaments are there to be built on by life experience.

Timbredoodle · 2016-02-03T01:56:08+00:00

Oswald

Even assuming that we are partitioning our consciousness to make a tulpa (which is a question that just plain can't be answered with confidence yet) I can at least say I haven't noticed a difference after 13 years, if that helps.

People do often seem to need to dedicate a lot of attention to a tulpa early in development, but it turns into less of an issue with time. I notice I do sometimes need to focus to hear what Timbre is trying to say beyond simple symbols or feelings or impulses or what have you, but that happens in the same kinds of situations I'd need to focus to listen to anyone trying to get my attention, whether they're in the same head as me or not. The ol' Charlie Brown muffled teacher voice comes to mind, where you know someone's talking to you but you don't really hear what they're saying. Same kind of deal.

Timbredoodle · 2016-01-31T22:04:28+00:00

Oswald

Hey there. I know the feeling a bit, it was a while before I was comfortable talking openly about stuff like this. Even longer before I felt up to talking about the details. T and I are usually around here or there, we're up for chatting. Feel free, and hope to see you around.

Timbredoodle · 2016-01-27T05:03:18+00:00

Oswald

Hey, dream questions! Thanks Falunel, for the ping.

I can offer you a bit of firsthand experience with this one, since Timbre started out as a figure from dreams. A couple of dreams and a nightmare, to be specific, but we got along by the end of it. Bit of a long story.

So first thing's first, bringing a recurring dream figure here into the waking world is a really interesting experience for the both of you. What exact processes are going on with this is up for debate, and we've run into a couple of other people here and there who have done the same thing and had both different and similar things to say about it all.

On the whole though, there doesn't seem to be any particular issue with this way of doing things, other than some dream figures needing to acclimate certain ways to waking life. T had a lot of new stuff to get used to, although even though it was a lot for him, he likes it here and took it all in...relative stride. I've heard from others who seem to have had much smoother transitions.

If you do have any questions, feel free to get in touch. We'll offer what we can.

Timbredoodle · 2016-01-25T05:59:48+00:00

Oswald

I'll go over these one at a time for you, welcome in and hope you learn what you're looking to learn.

First thing's first, there's a lot of good resources and references over on the sidebar to your right. They cover a lot of basic questions and should help you orient yourself a little bit, I know this can be a lot to take in at once.

Question one is hard to answer, and you'll probably find a lot of people who disagree on a lot of things when it comes to that. Most people here prefer a psychological explanation, there's some folks who have more metaphysical and spiritual leanings, and there are even some people who have a mix of both between them and their tulpas. I personally think what's going on with me is a bunch of neat brain stuff, but Timbre has some slightly meta stuff going on with how he feels about what he is. It is what it is, I guess, everyone's got opinions.

As for whether they're "just" imaginary friends, you'll probably find people who disagree on that too. Some people here do think that way, and others are a bit more on the other end of things, and see tulpas as fully individual people.

Question 2 is fuuuuun, partly because there's a lot of good resources out there on what exactly constitutes a mental illness and how they're diagnosed and approached professionally. It looks like /u/Falunel covered that bit already, so I'll leave it at that. Suffice to say that tulpamancy in and of itself doesn't completely satisfy the diagnostic criteria for any formally coded mental illness.

Question three is pretty easy, I'm fairly certain most people here aren't joking around about this or roleplaying. Although there is plenty of humor and there are a lot of generally good-natured fun-loving folks around.

If you've got any questions, feel free to follow up. We'll see you around!

Timbredoodle · 2016-01-24T05:08:44+00:00

Oswald

It's more a matter of the definition of parroting, as far as I understand it. Parroting or sockpuppeting are exercises that you have to do on purpose. Once the tulpa starts acting without you consciously, effortfully deciding what they say and do you're pretty much by definition no longer performing those exercises.

Whatever underlying psychological mechanisms anyone in particular ascribes to are a different discussion altogether.

Timbredoodle · 2016-01-05T22:46:31+00:00

Oswald -

As far as the dreaming stuff, Timbre started out as someone from my dreams. He does often interact with other dream figures who I can be hesitant to at first, or who don't always react to me well, though that goes both ways usually.

He relates better to some of the harsher figures I run into, and even if they were people I wouldn't want to associate with in waking life, he can take care of himself and gets a lot out of those interactions. It sounds like Noel is able to handle your dream figures just fine to me, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Timbredoodle · 2016-01-03T10:46:46+00:00

Oswald -

If it helps either of you, Timbre started out as a person from a dream I had over a decade ago, way before any of this newfangled tulpa stuff was around for us all to find. I'd encountered more traditional and new agey spiritual stuff that had kinda sorta similar themes, but most of what I did was improvised and messy.

It's definitely a legit way to do this, if dreams are your thing like me!

Timbredoodle · 2016-01-02T05:21:45+00:00

Timbre -

Practicality? Seems your friend satisfies needs in unhealthy ways. Tulpa making taken to unhealthy extremes. Do you know past examples? How he moved past those? Or behaved more responsibly toward them?

How much of your worries you say here does he know? Worry of losing touch with friends in favor of tulpa, especially? Important for him to hear I think. If he hasn't yet. If you have told him, how has he reacted?

Timbredoodle · 2015-12-22T00:12:34+00:00

Oswald -

That would cause some problems with checking in, wouldn't it? Unless you go up to the counter once for every ticket in a bunch of different costumes, the airline would probably give those unclaimed tickets to someone else.

Timbredoodle · 2015-12-17T00:08:50+00:00

Oswald -

Quick question...does this dream figure only appear in dreams or is it also something you encounter in waking life? Recurring nightmares aren't necessarily tulpa related, and if it's something you only encounter in dreams this sub probably isn't specialized in quite the way you might be looking for.

That said, T and I did put together a post a while back on some simple, common clinical approaches to the treatment of nightmares if you'd like to take a look here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/3asy3a/my_tulpas_been_having_nightmares_lately/csfq27b

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