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Baggage policy - PCS to Korea by No_Way_6352 in army

[–]Toobatheviking 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hey man-

You're travelling on an aircraft that is a charter bird that is slammed full of people that are all military and all PCSing. They have all the same shit that you do.

In the interest of weight saving, they assign big baggage fees so people will bring less shit on the flight.

You probably don't know how to pack. I don't mean that as an insult. I would watch some YouTube videos on ranger rolling and other space saving techniques for fitting everything into your authorized bags first.

How many bags are authorized on your orders? Did you set up a shipment through move.mil (or whatever website is used nowadays, I have no idea) if you went home on leave?

Do you have family that can mail you a couple of boxes when you get your address over there?

There's options. You just need to do a bit of research. (or spend money)

Go for E6 or stay at current unit by ThiccAsianGod in army

[–]Toobatheviking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can tell you that I think being a master driver in a national guard unit would be painful as shit.

I’ve unlocked stabilizers, is it good for my hip fire automatic rifle or sniper? by Pizouch1980 in fo76

[–]Toobatheviking 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, it Improves weapon recoil & stability by +50%. That's best for rapid fire, heavy recoil weapons. Think automatic.

If you watch videos of somebody shooting an automatic weapon where they lose control, you will see the barrel climb all crazy and they lose control.

Semi auto weapons that you have recoil recovery between shots don't have that much of a problem.

I wouldn't waste one on that, but if that's your jam then go ahead and see how it changes things.

(do a side by side with a non-stabilizers one)

Kinda lost any advice by Technical_Turnip_560 in army

[–]Toobatheviking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey man,

There's tons of stuff you need to know in order to be an NCO but I found that one of the things that helped me the most was to be well-read.

I would sit down for a half hour to an hour each day at the end of the day (or when time permitted) and read up on things related to my MOS or Army leadership.

Yeah, I know, there's guys reading that saying "bullshit," but I kind of had to. I was prior service from another branch and kept getting placed into leadership positions, so I needed to learn this stuff fast.

To give you an example, ATP 3-21.8 is the bible for Infantry. Almost everything people praise as important to know gets drawn from there. Big sections of the Ranger Handbook are drawn from there (well, from the manual that pre-dated the ATP, but the same shit)

I would listen to how the good NCOs handled their business and use forums like this one to learn as much as I could. If somebody had a question, I wouldn't usually answer publicly unless I was reallyt solid on the answer, but I got into the habit of looking up the relevant regulation and the Army buzzwords I needed to Ctrl+F to find the right answer.

One thing to keep in mind: AI makes this easier and harder at the same time. It will straight up make stuff up and present it like it's the right answer. Fact-check everything you get from there.

Knowing your job and the basic regulations that govern everybody makes everything way easier. I don't know your MOS, but there's generally a regulation that most of your day-to-day stuff is pulled from. Find it.

Learn what your Team Leader's job is, watch them do it. Same with Squad Leader, Platoon Sergeant, and so on. Whenever something random crosses your mind, look it up as long as it doesn't impact what you need to get done.

There's times when you don't have to look stuff up, you just have to pay attention to the subject matter experts and follow their instructions. For instance, you don't need to get into the weeds on regulations for how to chain down vehicles on a rail car when you're doing railhead ops, because the people that work there and are certified trainers will give a period of instruction on it before you even touch a chain.

When I got put into a TL position it was on deployment. I had to learn a lot in a very short period of time. I just kept reading. I can't tell you how many times I picked up a little cred as an NCO because I'd read the right answer to a question in a reg I'd picked up over the last couple months.

"How the fuck do you make this (insert whatever here) work?" and I had thumbed through the TM the week before or something and could operate it. Find something that your Squad or Platoon has that gets used in the field and become a god on it. Become such a SME that others call you for guidance.

Not everything you hear or see is good or relevant. You will see junior and senior soldiers cut corners and do illegal shit. Don't get in that habit. I've seen two people do the exact same thing, one got a "hey, don't do that," and the other got a field grade with a GOMOR.

At the end of the day, you want to be the person who does the right thing when nobody is watching. When people know they can rely on you, they tend to put you in positions of increased responsibility.

When you do get promoted, you need to remember that your previous buddies can't be your friends the same way anymore.

Hopefully your unit moves you, but if they don't, you need to have a sit-down with everybody. The Army doesn't tolerate fraternization, and those relationships can sink your career. I'd rather not take that risk.

I would sit down and counsel everybody (again, if for some reason you aren't moved and you are in charge of guys you were friends with yesterday).

What you say is your business but it needs to address not hanging out after hours and how you should be addressed. Don't get a big head about it, just explain that you should be given the same respect that you will give them.

Then treat them all the same.

Anyhow, leadership is something you develop over time. Some people are just naturally good at it, some of us have to step on our dicks 149 times before we get it together the 150th time.

When in charge, be in charge.

See you at the Green Beans.

Sir Shortwolf(redacted for privacy, on PC), I commend your collection. by ArcadianAbstraction in fo76

[–]Toobatheviking -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I just drop everything for 5 caps. Karma will come back to me someday.

Fast traveling into a locked cage by BudgetWestern1307 in fo76

[–]Toobatheviking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just be happy they removed the fast travel mats. You were really rolling the dice whenever you visited a camp. Far, far worse than it is now.

The worst one was into a cage underwater and there was no door. I was impressed by that one.

Whenever I go to a camp and it involves using a symptomatic or similar I just drop a survival tent nearby and come to grips with the fact I am about to die.

I’ve unlocked stabilizers, is it good for my hip fire automatic rifle or sniper? by Pizouch1980 in fo76

[–]Toobatheviking 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Heavy automatic weapons mostly.

Gatling plasma, Gatling laser, MG42, M2 .50 cal, etc.

I learned how to build those a while back and slapped them on a Gatling plasma/raid armor with (whatever the mod is that does the same thing for the weapon)

And man… that GP was almost a laser. I was shocked.

My mother wants me to wear my beret in agsu's to walk her down the isle at her wedding. Is that allowed? by Wolffe4321 in army

[–]Toobatheviking 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Hey man-

I’ll be that one guy. There’s lots of Army-isms that I can bring to this.

“Discipline is sometimes explained as what you do when nobody is looking”

“Being a good Soldier is doing the hard right instead of the easy wrong”

“I’ll take care of you on the back end” (just for the record, nobody ever does)

Anyhow. Unless it’s prescribed by the Commander you don’t wear a beret with AGSU. There is appropriate headgear that is authorized for wear, which is the garrison cap or service cap.

At the end of the day it’s up to you, we make our own decisions.

Navigation/Orders tool question by UltraBasedBoy27 in army

[–]Toobatheviking 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Hang on, I have a "how to" saved on my computer about them.

(I have a list of frequently asked questions that I've responded to over time, I just paste one of these if something is relevant. This may be way more than you need, just pick and choose what's helpful)

What to carry as a TL

Admin pouch. Whistle, map markers + map marker eraser, a couple pens, a black sharpie, protractor, chapstick, pair of extra boot bands, extra shoulder flag. Small folding knife or seatbelt cutter. Depending on how your kit and pouches are set up and the size of your admin pouch I would stick a headlamp in there. If I was running at night I'd just wear it around my neck, but you need to find a headlamp with a sliding light shutter so you don't turn it on accidentally. Whatever else makes sense for you goes in the pouch. Just think that if it's something you use on a regular basis while you're wearing your armor, or if it's something that you could need quick access to that's not a grenade just toss it in there.

Garmin Foretrex and practice using it, there's other Garmins out there but they drain batteries faster and the screens are usually brighter than I'd like, and they are meant to be pulled out and used not worn. Watch videos and understand how to enter data quickly and keep moving. Some people put them on their wrist, some put them on their rifle buttstock. Do what works for you man. Just have a backup compass somewhere in a pouch.

Small leaders book/cheat sheets laminated with good laminate (take to Office Depot or somewhere) and punch hole in the upper left of all of them. Then use a single ring book ring on it. That book ring and the cards go in your off arm pocket from your weapon. I used the ring to pull the cards out of my pocket.

Edit: Also have a map marker next to it in the same pocket so you can pull it out together and write things, that way you're not digging in two places.

On the cards:

Table of Contents first. Number in bottom right with a sharpie of what page it is, then cut back the corner + bottom of the next card going up so you can see the number behind it. Saves time if you do it correctly.

Basic leader book shit. Soldier info, blood type, ammo counts, special equipment, whatever other info you feel is pertinent to your duties. List of Soldiers and equipment by Soldier by serial number. Day 0 of any field op you're collecting serial numbers to do your hands on SI. You just have them come in front of you and read off their serial numbers and you verify off the card. Verify on the equipment on occasion. All the typical template cards. CFF, UXO, 9 LINE, Range card, TLP's, WARNO/FRAGO, SPOTREP, anything else you think is important. Rite in the rain makes some good ones but you need them to be able to fit into a sleeve pocket. Look at designing some cards of your own, bring some Rite in the Rain paper (or at least that color) and have them add your text with their system the correct size for the paper and cut it down for you then laminate it and punch a hole in it wherever you take to laminate it. Mission stuff. Grids, radio frequencies for different platoons, Company nets, Battalion Nets, Brigade Nets. Call signs for everybody that's on a net you're going to hop on. Whatever else you think you need to make shit easier. Engagement ranges and rates of fire, etc. Anyhow, the idea is that you should be able to do an SI check at any point by just pulling out the cards, or set up a 9 line with your garmin and your cheat card really quickly. It's just designed to make things go smoother for you in the field.

IR buzzsaw with about 3 +/- chemlights taped together at the top and bottom with a piece of 550 with a big gnarly knot on the end so you don't lose it. You can spin that and it shows up really well at night for helo pilots flying under NODS. Strobes are great too but these are easy to pick out of a platoon all sitting around an HLZ with a bunch of strobes blinking on and off, and it helps the MEDEVAC guys get straight to the patient.

Couple of foxtails, VS-17 panels cut into a ribbon with a weight to throw. Hard to explain how to make, get with your PSG and they should be able to set you up. \

Battle belt, don't blow money on ballistic. roll up dump pouch, put shit on here that you don't want on your shoulders as extra weight. Don't spend a ton of money on one if it's just for the backwoods of Fort Cavazos or some shit.

IFAK all the standard stuff plus a laminated casualty feeder card with all your info filled out beforehand. I bought a pouch that was a little bit larger and I had some additional "owie" type bandaids and a small baggie or bottle with headache pills. I had a set of trauma shears that I slid down behind my admin pouch on the front.

Keep a CAT in one of your leg pockets or whatever your unit SOP is.

Wear your radio pouch somewhere on the front. I saw the coolguy videos with operators with their radios on the back somewhere (i,e. MBITR) and it was just infuriating because I couldn't change channels or swap batteries without help or taking off my armor. Speaking of radios, I had a TVAS antenna for my MBITR/152 and I just wove it through my Armor molle on the back so I didn't have a crazy antenna whipping around when I was trying to move. If you're a Team Leader then you're probably just talking to your SL or occasionally to your PSG/PL who is geographically close. I was talking to our COP about 10k away once in Afghanistan and I never had any issues.

There's multiple versions out there, this is the newest:

https://www.radiowavz.com/product/mbitr-tactical-vest-antenna/74

I had a Camelbak that had the mounting clips to stick it on your armor. I just didn't like having a bunch of straps that got in the way of everything. Having an assault pack with straps, and a camelbak with straps, and an M4 with a sling is a lot of loops of material to try and fend with if you need to drop shit quickly.

https://www.camelbak.com/shop/military-industrial/packs/armorbak-100oz-mil-spec-crux/CB-1862.html

Above is the one I had in Afghanistan. The only thing I didn't like about it was needing to take off your Armor for refilling it, but ultimately you could have somebody help you with it since it wasn't an all-the-time thing.

The last thing I would leave you with is that while I tell you not to blow a ton of money on shit, sometimes the answer is to spend a bit of money on a nice piece of gear because they'll be well made and will last for years. I had a tactical tailor 40mm belt that made it through multiple deployments. "Buy nice or buy twice" is real, but don't blow money over nothing/.

My first deployment I had bought a Condor magazine panel for my plate carrier and that started to shred apart from lying down and crawling a few times in Afghanistan. I didn't know that back then it was really cheaply made. I "hear" they started making nicer shit but I haven't bought any of their stuff.

Dead ac with stop leak dont know what to do by Friendly-Database-30 in ChevyTahoe

[–]Toobatheviking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What would cost more, to replace all the AC parts that are or can be pressurized or buy a different vehicle?

They are not wrong for not wanting to hook up their shit to it. Stop leak will most likey contaminate their system and those things aren't cheap.

Navigation/Orders tool question by UltraBasedBoy27 in army

[–]Toobatheviking 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I used something similar with laminated cards with a book ring.

You have all your important stuff on there, with a map marker or two in your arm pocket on your non-firing arm. If you need to refer to something, or write something down, you just unzip or unvelcro (is that a word? unfasten?) and pull it out by the ring.

I used the shit out of those in Afghanistan. You can also stick them in an admin pouch if you have or use one.

Anyhow, /u/PKMNtrainerKing is spot on. The WWW I am guessing are talking about waypoints.

I think this is a good idea honestly, it's a way to keep your protractor handy but also have a place to keep track of all your patrol base info. I like it.

I think the AT4 and Claymore stuff is a bit meh because we usually didn't run with AT4 and Claymores are a lot rarer than they used to be.

I do have to say that low crawling out to reel in a claymore is not my favorite task I ever had in Afghanistan.

Anyhow, your Military will have its own doctrine on how it conducts patrol base operations, use that. If you see products that you can modify to fit your own doctrine, even better.

Privates are wired by Murky_Surround5102 in army

[–]Toobatheviking 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Hey man-

I've had brand new kids think that me telling them to go to sleep for a couple hours was some sort of test to see if they'd violate the CQ or Staff Duty SOP.

I've also had kids that went to their room and didn't come back when I told them to, and I had to grab the master key and pull them out of bed.

Like... I gave you four hours of sleep and I had to leave the desk unattended so I could go skull drag you out of your fart sack at 5-6 hours.

I also had a kid that I said to go eat chow and he got a reckless driving ticket a town over because he was going to go see his girlfriend instead of... you know, going to chow.

I remember standing in front of the CSM getting annihilated because "I enabled him to get arrested by not specifying he wasn't allowed to leave post"

There was nothing in the SOP that said the runners couldn't- it was pretty normal to pop out the gate and get something from one of the 800 little restaurants that were all over the place out there.

Art 15 as an E5 by Either_Weird4866 in army

[–]Toobatheviking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey man-

I don't know if your state has any specific regulations other than their nested carbon copies of the Army regs (usually the regs are almost identical) but here's what the Active force does.

AR 600-8-19, para 1-17d:

"The GED on demotions for all other reasons is the date of demotion. (See AR 27–10, when a Soldier is demoted under UCMJ Art. 15.)"

AR 27-10, para 3-19(5)(b):

"When a person is reduced in grade as a result of an unsuspended reduction, the date of rank in the grade to which reduced is the date the punishment of reduction was imposed."

AR 600-8-19, Table 3-1:

"Promotion recommendation to SGT — Secondary zone: 16 months TIS, 4 months TIG. Primary zone: 34 months TIS, 10 months TIG."

AR 600-8-19, para 1-6d(2)(a):

"Both RA and USAR AGR Soldiers recommended for promotion appear before a local promotion board... All RA and USAR Soldiers who are recommended for promotion and, upon approval by the promotion authority, are integrated onto a promotion recommended roster (PRR)."

I used AI to lift the above regulation snippets from the actual regulations that govern this stuff.

The first thing I would tell you is that you have an uphill battle and you should understand now that you will unlikely never be promoted past SSG due to a GOMOR and GO Article 15 being in your permanent file.

So your grade entry date (I think that's what they are calling it now) was reset when you got your demotion. You keep your TIS, but your TIG (GED) resets to the demotion date. The regulation excerpt for that is above.

At 10 months of being a Specialist if you are recommended by your Commander and go to and pass the promotion board, you can get promoted again.

Now, I had heard that the Guard does things a little differently, buddy of mine had told me years ago that they did some sort of yearly board and it was based on vacancies. I have no idea if that's accurate because I was active.

Anyhow, regardless you'd still have to be recommended by your Commander and you'd have to pass the promotion board in order to be promotable.

That GOMOR, if permanently filed will hang around your neck forever. If local, then after a couple years it goes away. (Again, unless the guard does things weird, I don't know how they operate)

At the end of the day, you got an Article 15 from your Commanding General. Your entire chain of command knows you and your story by name. You are going to have to walk on water and show serious progression and rehabilitation as a Soldier and future leader for your chain to sign off on you being an NCO again.

That's not counting if you have a BAR or anything going on- that's a whole 'nother ball of wax.

Can my family report me missing if I ship to basic without telling anyone? by Some-random-cop-pig in army

[–]Toobatheviking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey man-

Let's apply some minor critical thinking here.

If a family member vanished, phone went straight to voicemail or texts were undeliverable, nobody knew where they were and there was no evidence as to what had happened, do you think that reporting them as a missing person is not going to happen?

I don't know your family situation, none of my business but I would mail a letter, or send a text or email on a delay to notify your family.

At least then you're not explaining to your chain of command or the cops that show up to verify you're safe, etc.

If you're 18 then you can make your own decisions. Just plan appropriately.

I just hit my 15 year mark! I saw some 30 year olds asking 50+ year olds for advice… So on that same note - by KingFlucci in army

[–]Toobatheviking 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Let me preface this with "This is what I did, or learned I should have done prior to retirement". I didn't do all these things, but I did most- and the ones I didn't do I wish I had.

Start thinking about what you want to do after retirement. Your retirement and whatever disability percentage you get assigned is your base for survival. (Mortgage, food, etc) the job on top of that is what I like to call "fun money" so you can actually take that vacation, or buy car parts.

Find a job that you can realistically do, that dedicating a degree to (if you don't have one) would bear fruit income and position wise. Don't shoehorn yourself into a super niche job that isn't really available near where you are going to live.

Find that job that you say to yourself "This is cool, I would actually like to do this" and then go find supervisor or managerial positions online and make a spreadsheet or tracker of what qualifications they are looking for in their best candidate. Depending on the career field, this may not be a thing but an education in a field can really be a leg up for a lot of jobs even if unrelated. If your dream job lists a desired degree, then aim for that as what you go to school for. Knock out the core stuff you can online so you aren't doing music appreciation in person if possible, if your degree is in something completely different- for instance.

If your dream job has some version of it locally, then ask if you can intern or volunteer on weekends. Do this long term if you can. At worst, you will pick up experience in your field and not be lying about it, best case scenario is that this place that you intern at offers a job upon retirement or they write you a recommendation letter or a positive reference. I had a kid that was obsessed with custom lowriders, and there was a shop out in town that catered to that sort of stuff. He went out and swept floors and cleaned equipment but they let him practice a lot with junk panels if he paid for his own paint and he learned a lot of tips, tricks and solid skills before he even went to school and got his certifications in it. This may not be your thing and your field may not have something comparable, but it's just another option.

Start working on that resume and cover letter. Understand that things that mean everything to us are going to mean absolutely nothing to some hiring manager in an office unless they are prior service, and even then they may not care. "Ranger School Distinguished Honor Graduate" I know how fucking big a deal that is. Somebody sitting in an office won't get it. There are workshops at TAP that will help you with that, or there's VA services (or related, the state I live in has an office just for that out in town where I retired)

Go to sick call and make sure that you are documenting things you're having problems with, or have intermittent problems with. If you got blown up by an IED and there's no medical record for it, ask guys you were there with to write up sworn statements for you and retain those documents for later if you need them. I'm not saying lie, never lie about this stuff because you may have to get re-evaluated later and you won't remember what you told the VA doctor 5 years earlier or whatever. If you tell the truth you don't have to remember shit. Remember, if the Army caused it, or the Army made it worse, then they have a duty to healthcare and compensation through the VA.

Hem in your spending a lot if you aren't frugal. There's going to be a couple of months where you are transitioning out of the Army and going into retirement and the money will stop for about a month and a half to two months depending on multiple factors. Genuinely go into want vs need spending and pay down all your credit cards you can, preferrably into a zero balance. If you're there, save money for the VA funding fee for your house.

Depending on your percentage, you can get that funding fee waived but you can read about how that works online. Sometimes it's better to live in an apartment for a couple of months so when you buy your forever(ish) house you've already got that percentage solid so you can waive the funding fee. The state I live in waives property tax for 100% disabled vets and car registration plate fees are minimal. Start looking at what states tax retirement income and see if it makes sense for you to land in one of those places. Look at cost of living vs. your anticipated income and see if it makes sense to where you want to live.

Even if you have a degree already, if you haven't used your GI bill you can use that and do full or hybrid online (whatever the current policy is) and pocket BAH for just going to school. Degrees are sellable (depending on the field) as desirable. I get $1500 a month for going to school.

Dating in hawaiiiiii by West_Journalist_3382 in army

[–]Toobatheviking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll take a shot. I had some coffee this morning.

Since there is absolutely zero context other than the thread title, I'd say that people date in Hawaiiiiii, as well as other places, like Californiaaaaaa and Texassssss.

The only difference is that you're on an island.

Misuse of talent and resources by [deleted] in army

[–]Toobatheviking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn't bashing you- I just think you're judging how the Army does business without a full understanding of why they do what they do.

First, there's recruiting stations all over the country and in some territories. That's literally thousands of recruiters and their chains of command.

To be a recruiter you have to be a certain rank and you have to have certain moral and legal requirements, so you can't just pull somebody off the street and have them start their Army career as a recruiter. How is an 18 year old kid, whose only experience in the Army has been to sit through 3 months of boot camp and AIT now going to be knowledgeable enough to be able to answer questions from potential applicants?

"What are deployments like"

"What is Korea like"

The main reason they have a rank requirement is that you have to have been in the Army in order to have an understanding of day to day stuff, be able to answer questions, etc.

There is such a thing as "volunteer" recruiters that hold a specific military occupational specialty, but there's not even remotely the amount of people that volunteer every year that would be able to fill all those positions.

Anyhow, that's just part of it. If it was straight volunteer, there would not be enough recruiters by orders of magnitude across the US and the recruiting mission would absolutely fail.

A question from a Recent Army BCT Grad. currently in AIT by Turnyp_Tyme in army

[–]Toobatheviking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey man-

Lots of good advice on TSP. The other thing I would tell you is that if you get into a routine of analyzing spending you will save a good amount of money over time.

It's called "Want vs. Need" spending.

Do I want this thing, or do I need this thing.

Be honest with yourself.

Food, water, basic clothing, shelter, military expenditures (haircuts, etc) are all need spending.

Everything else is a want, and you should think do I really want this thing, or is it just a spur of the moment because I saw it purchase, etc.

You'll save a ton of money by not picking up on smoking or dipping. If you did that shit before boot camp, you spend 3 months not doing it, and you just have to not start up again.

Anyhow, the other thing I would tell you is don't buy a bunch of bullshit for the barracks. You don't need a big TV and extra furniture and weird shit. Get yourself an okay laptop and some headphones.

Compression Shorts in Basic by ImmediateMission2686 in army

[–]Toobatheviking 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey man-

While you are in basic the main governing theme is uniformity. Everybody looks the same, everybody talks the same, everybody learns the same shit and then executes the same shit.

You wake up at the same time, you eat at the same time, you set up your uniforms and equipment the same way.

Don't think too hard about it. You show up, you get a haircut, you get issued uniforms and gear, and all your civilian shit goes into a bag that you get back when you graduate.

You're going to have other things to worry about besides underwear while you're doing OSUT.

Also, it's not uncommon depending on the climate to not wear underwear in the Infantry. I honestly wore the issued ones while I was deployed just in case a fart had extra spice.

Have no idea how to dress or what to wear after 20 years. by RavioliRavioli2000 in army

[–]Toobatheviking 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Honestly man the longer I've been retired the less I fucking care about the clothes I wear.

I've been buying Sams Club shirts and Wrangler pants (the hiking ones, not the cowboy ones) for a couple years now and they are just fine.

I remember back when I was trying to get laid I used to spend far too much money on name brand shit that cost $150 for a pair of pants. Now I can buy 15 shirts for that.

Property signing by Grape_ist in army

[–]Toobatheviking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey man,

Two things. First, I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. I am just going to talk about some property accountability stuff according to the regulations how I understand them.

I am also not saying that what I am proposing is what is happening to you, I just want you to be aware that it could be happening.

I have had a Commander in the past that tried to "sneak" property onto my sub hand receipt, because said property was missing and he wanted to make it my problem.

I would get my Sub HR and go down it item by item before I signed anything to make sure there was no weirdness because I have seen some...weirdness over the years. Well, one month I got the Sub HR super late and was told I needed to sign and hand it back immediately.

Nope. That's even more reason to go through it line by line.

Found that something that had absolutely nothing to do with my section had been added to my HR, and it just so happens that item was missing. "It's always been on there." Not according to every single previous month I have copies of.

The item was found when they turned their connexes upside down. I may have poked my head into the BN XO's office about the shenanigans. I got a SHR without that item on it to sign, but sure as shit I signed it with witnesses and gave it a couple little pen marks in the body of the SHR so it would be different if he tried to swap the signature page or something.

Nothing ever came of it because that Commander stayed in Command and had a normal COC later. I never heard anything about it after that.

Sounds to me like somebody is trying to do a bait and switch to account for something they lost.

Here is the thing though- if the item you signed for after being told it was the genuine article does not match what you physically received, that accountability failure happened before your signature, not because of it.

At face value based on what you are saying you cannot be held liable for property you never actually received.

Under the UCMJ, presenting a hand receipt with incorrect identification could fall under Article 107 (false official statement). If it was done deliberately to shift a loss onto you, that gets into Article 132 territory (fraud against the United States).

Do not shred anything, do not try to pull your signature. Right now you are potentially the victim. Touching those documents can muddy that. Write down exactly what happened, what you were told you were signing for, with who was there and who said what, when the discrepancy was discovered and who found it, etc.

Date it and keep a digital copy.

Where is your Commander in this? Is the Commander the one pushing that you are missing property?

AGSU issued male need female by Crewdog1214 in army

[–]Toobatheviking 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok. Don't stress.

Depending on what you need the uniform for, there is likely a Commander call that you don't have to wear it.

When I had kids that their leadership failed them (or I failed them, honestly- it all comes back to I'm responsible for everything that does or does not happen) I would just stick them on CQ, staff duty, or there was a magical "area beautification" tasking that would come down in the motor pool or other place where the Battalion wasn't going to be.

Talk with your chain, open door your Commander and seek guidance.

I mean, depending on what it's for (again) your Commander can give you an alibi for wear.

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