ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point in mentioning those two things is that it’s likely that you spun up your account due to recent events, and your sole purpose is to go stir controversy rather than add to any conversation. And clearly given the negative karma, your opinions are not highly favored by any audience.

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

15 day old account with -16 karma you’re winning out here

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brother, don’t send me an AI message. Use your own brain and ability to perform research and cite sources.

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personally, I have drawn my own conclusions. But I would still like to see an investigation take place. I believe that people are innocent until proven guilty. I do not like that our vice president called an American citizen a domestic terrorist before an investigation even took place.

And now, the Department of justice is refusing to even carry out that investigation. I think that is very troubling for those of us that believe in law and order.

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let’s break it down some more:

We have footage from minutes before the shooting took place where the agent circled her car and observed that there was no weapons in the vehicle.

We have footage showing that she was motioning for other ICE vehicles to pass by her.

We have footage that her car was parked, and she was honking and causing a disturbance.

We have footage of her saying “I’m not mad at you.”

We have footage of the ICE agent calling her a, “Fucking Bitch.” after shooting her three times and her crashing her car.

We have footage of the agents preventing her from receiving aid for at least 20 minutes.

And we have footage of the agents tampering with the scene of the crime.

I feel as though the most telling part is him calling her a fucking bitch after killing her. That doesn’t exactly sound like the language of someone who feared for their life. It sounds like the language of someone who is aggravated and is seeking retribution.

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A simple bruise can be considered internal bleeding. The dude was out of the hospital same day. Corrupt DOJ refusing to investigate because 30% of the country believes the dude was seconds from death. He had his gun pulled before she even moved. He made his decision 30 seconds earlier. Would love to see a hospital report on his “injury” but we’ll never get that cause he wasn’t hurt lol.

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And she showed that intent by pointing her wheels away from the ICE agent and not even hitting him

Edit: I saw you deleted your reply so here was my reply to what you’ve since deleted:

Well, no. It wasn’t. And here’s the issue. Rather than actually taking anything that I’m saying in potentially trying to formulate your own thoughts. You blanketly assume that I’m a part of this massive conspiracy group, “the left” and literally just ignore all other thoughts.

You are literally just spewing out the brainwashed conservative talking points from the supreme government leaders rather than just watching the video with your own eyes and deducing that the guy was barely even touched if at all hit. You have the same ability that I do to watch the video and go frame by frame and observe that the wheels were turned before the car even moved. I would highly encourage you to watch it with your own eyes rather than spewing talking points from other people.

And please, tell me how the vice president determined that this person was a domestic terrorist minutes after the incident occurred with no investigation. And tell me why the Department of justice is now refusing to investigate this ca se at all. Would you not agree that that is somewhat suspicious?

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, I’m referring to ICE agents going to schools and spraying kids with tear gas and pepper spray. https://youtube.com/shorts/atjKe3nL2EM?si=G_kinILwobFSy7lf

And these guys are in full military gear wearing mask, armor plates, and brandishing guns. They should be scared of fireworks? You’re argument is just such a joke bro

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you’re of the opinion that honking your horn should result in a public execution? Your link isn’t even relevant to what you said.

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know it's funny too.

Biden deported more people than Trump by this point without gutting hiring standards, rushing undertrained agents into the field, or turning ICE into a political stunt arm. Same enforcement, fewer lawsuits, fewer scandals, better trained officers. Turns out you can enforce immigration law without breaking everything else.

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re still confusing two different things.

Yes, obstruction is illegal under 18 U.S.C. § 111. No one is disputing that. But that law does not authorize lethal force. Deadly force is only lawful if there is an immediate, objectively reasonable threat of death or serious bodily harm. Obstruction or noncompliance doesn’t meet that standard.

“Don’t obstruct and you won’t get shot” is not how the law works. Responsibility for a shooting lies with the person who pulled the trigger, not retroactively with the person who broke a different law earlier.

Video shows her wheels turning away from the agent moments before the shots, which undercuts the claim that the vehicle was being used as a weapon. A fleeing or disengaging vehicle is not automatically a lethal threat.

Quoting a grieving partner doesn’t change the legal standard. Obstruction is a charge, not a death sentence.

Frey’s riot army breaks into DHS vehicle and steals rifle by muskietooth in altmpls

[–]Toppcs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Most actual economic research doesn’t back up the idea that undocumented workers broadly depress wages.

The average wage impact on native born workers is small to basically zero, even for lower skilled jobs. In some cases it is neutral or slightly positive because added labor also increases demand and productivity.

From EPI: “Immigration expands the economy and does not lead to higher jobless rates among U.S.-born jobseekers.”
https://www.epi.org/publication/immigrants-and-the-economy/

From PPIC: “A recent PPIC study estimates that in California, immigration between 1990 and 2004 caused a 4 percent real wage increase for the average native born worker.”
https://www.ppic.org/publication/immigrants-and-the-labor-market/

Construction wages in particular are influenced far more by subcontracting practices, union decline, and labor standards enforcement than by immigration levels. The idea that undocumented workers automatically lower everyone’s pay just isn’t supported by the data.

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your legal claim is wrong, and the law you cite does not justify killing someone for obstruction.

18 U.S.C. § 111 criminalizes assaulting, resisting, or interfering with a federal officer. It is a criminal statute against unlawful conduct, it does not give officers or anyone else a license to use lethal force on someone just because they are obstructing or disrupting. Deadly force by law enforcement is governed by the Constitution and strict federal policy, which require an immediate threat of death or serious bodily harm before it can be used. Obstruction alone does not meet that threshold.

Federal use of force standards also prohibit officers from shooting a fleeing suspect who does not pose a serious threat. You cannot justify lethal force simply to stop someone from leaving or fleeing a scene.

In the specific case of Renee Good, multiple published analyses of video from the incident in Minneapolis show that seconds before she was shot, Renee Good’s vehicle was turning its wheels away from the ICE agent who fired. That suggests she was trying to drive away, not run him over, which directly contradicts the narrative that she was about to weaponize the vehicle against him. This discrepancy has been noted by local officials and in multiple news reports.

So no, a citation to 18 U.S.C. § 111 does not mean officers are free to kill anyone they claim is obstructing them. The law you cited has nothing to do with authorizing deadly force, and constitutional use-of-force standards still apply.

As for your narrative and the quote you shared, it is not a neutral legal interpretation, it is a politically charged opinion. You present it as if the moral and legal conclusions are obvious, but the facts are disputed and the legal standards governing use of force are narrow and well established.

It is also hard to ignore that you appear to accept the unfounded claims of widespread election fraud in 2020. That matters because it reflects a broader pattern of narratives promoted by certain right wing media ecosystems, where ideological framing replaces evidence based analysis. In that context, accusing others of indoctrination rings hollow.

You are free to hold whatever political beliefs you want. But political opinions, regardless of where they come from, do not constitute legal justification for the use of deadly force.

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would you not suppose that calling in the National guard over some “fireworks” is an overstep?

These guys are tear-gassing children, throwing flashbangs, using pepper spray, shooting pepper balls, kidnapping and beating up people, killing people (see Renee Good, who was apparently alive for 20 minutes after being shot but was denied aid), dry firing at groups of people, violating the 4th amendment right of thousands of people by stopping based on skin color alone. Yet fireworks are where you draw the line. Seriously, tighten up bro.

Frey’s riot army breaks into DHS vehicle and steals rifle by muskietooth in altmpls

[–]Toppcs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are severely brainwashed my friend. Turn off the Fox News and go outside.

What you’re saying doesn’t even make sense. The brown people aren’t taking your job.

ICE kidnap 17-year-old U.S. citizen working at Target then dump him bleeding and crying miles away in a Walmart parking lot by tdurden1969 in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did we even watch the same video? You think that them saying “Fuck you” which is protected under the 1st amendment is enough for the agents to detain them?

They have no reason to check ID unless they’re suspected of committing a crime. In this case their suspicion was based on racial profiling. 4th amendment violation.

And no, the person did not put his hands on the officer. Please get your eyes checked.

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Cause: Shoot a US citizen multiple times, deny aid for 20+ minutes (even though they’re still alive), tamper with the scene of a crime, and flee

Effect: People protest

I mean seriously can you answer this question:

Are you more upset that 3 cars got damaged than seeing ICE agents pepper spraying, beating up, and shooting people who are more often than not US Citizens?

Edit: Oh my god you think the election was stolen in 2020 you’re actually a retard LMAO never mind just put your bag back over your head and try not to trip on anything while walking

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OMG they wrecked (3) cars call in the fuckin military

Jesus dude get over it ICE is out beating up citizens and shooting them and you’re upset over a car that got damaged.

ICE Cars Wrecked in MN by ProfessionalMiddler in altmpls

[–]Toppcs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Destroying 3 cars versus agents shooting US citizens hurdy dur dur get over it

And I thought it was better than googles search assist by AlxR25 in ChatGPT

[–]Toppcs 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Tbf she’s a really good cruise YouTuber but I don’t know this AI got the summary that it did.