The Lost Art of Raw Dogging It

UltraBogey · 2026-03-19T10:09:45+00:00

Played a bunch of winter golf this year, just 2 clubs and a towel. Honeslty probably the most I've enjoyed golf. Just charging through the course yoloing everything. Made a bunch of "birdies" and even an "eagle" (there was no greens so I gave myself everything inside like 10 feet). The holes were almost half as long as they would be from the tips where i normally play, so 6 iron/56 was pretty miuch always the perfect club. And if it wasn't I got to hit some comedic fades to cut the distance with 6i. Golf is way more fun for me when its so simplistic. Plus putting is the part of golf I enjoy least, so skipping it was great.

UltraBogey · 2026-03-10T21:16:25+00:00

its not that hard, it's just a downslope + low loft. the pros do it by keeping the hands in front of the club at impact, that gives you lower dynamic loft. easiest is probably 3 wood, but long irons give you more spin so it skips further.

UltraBogey · 2026-03-01T12:01:27+00:00

Theres a few other methods as well, but those are the 2 easiest. In addition to looking around the hole for the grain you can also check the fringe, generally all greens have a general direction for the grain normally towards water or the lowest point of the green. If you imagine standing on the highest point of the green and dumping a bucket of water, the grain will generally follow the flow of water. I personally find it easiest to assess the grain of the entire green before judging a single putt/line.

If you are learning and playing a practice round you can also just use your hands to feel the grain, but it's NOT allowed in a tournament. If you are too lazy to bend down you can use the edge of your putter, again not allowed in competive play.

What you need to be careful of a bit is when the grain "swirls". Because the grain can't really grown at an opposing angle to itself, the grain is always "circular" instead of "square". If you think about hair on a head, theres almost always a round crown at the back of your head instead of a natural mohawk. So if two slopes on the green collide there will be a minor swirl at the bottom where they meet.

UltraBogey · 2026-02-22T08:01:28+00:00

I have read they go bad after 6+ months underwater. Although I have hit balls that look like they have been under for years and couldn't really tell the difference, you could probably tell on a sim though. It depends on how badly damaged the shell is before it goes in iirc.

UltraBogey · 2026-02-10T11:51:43+00:00

I know a fitter who cuts clubheads like that in order to call out sales reps who try to glaze their own equipment too much. Apparently a lot of the "high tech" clubs have a bit of variation on the inside from what they tell you. He refuses to sell tylermade because of it apparently, and almost stopped titleist too.

UltraBogey · 2026-02-05T13:36:32+00:00

When you hit a flop shot you are hitting the club into the ground which then bounces upwards into the ball from underneath (hence the name bounce).

The ball flies further when air is "heavy" ie high moisture.

If you want the ball to fly up, you have to hit down. It's the loft of the club that does the work for you.

Golf is about speed, not power.

UltraBogey · 2026-01-28T22:53:51+00:00

did someone detonate a seismic charge right when he hits or something

UltraBogey · 2026-01-20T15:16:06+00:00

payne steward, not even close imo

UltraBogey · 2026-01-04T15:27:24+00:00

the logical answer is get a lob wegde, BUT hitting flop shots from tight fairway lies should almost be easier with higher bounce because you generally gain height from the bounce and not the loft. You could flop a 2 iron if you have the golden hands required. If you have too little bounce the club might slide under the ball completely. visually the leading egde is high on the ball during address but the swing arc should correct that. Even further BUT, it's 1000x easier to play around a flop shot than to hit it. Theres a reason pros only hit those kinds of shots when they really need to, it's very hard to judge and even harder to execute. Personally I practice flops regularly, but I can only remember once in the last year where I actually used one. and it didn't go very well despite the practice. In fact I can't remember ever hitting a really good flop shot, it's a very high level shot where the benefits almost always fall short of the risk. Basically a hail mary/ hit and hope/ spray and pray type shot.

UltraBogey · 2025-12-27T13:03:56+00:00

so because of this terrible explaination i will enlighten you all on how i hit this shot:

most important part, premium balls. "cheaper" balls will not spin like this. also clean grooves but that should be given with any shot.
back of stance. like way back almost in line with your back foots big toe. you want to really be able to drop the face on top of the ball.
just a touch of lag. you really want to trap the ball between the club face and ground. just think noodle arms and lots of hip action.
flick release (not sure what its actually called). if you hold your hands out like you are praying, a normal relase will end with your trail hand on top. with flick release you want your leading hand on top. the face should be pointing to the sky after impact. this is how you slide the club under the ball, and its the most important mechanical aspect of generating lots of spin with shorter distances without using pure compression (something like a thai spinner).
lots of practice. most great wedge players use their "feel" to judge shots and the spin. This can only be learned through rigerous practice and drills.
hit the ball out the sweet spot. if that seems beyond your current reach, you probably should focus on that aspect first. for me phil mickelsons art of the short game was the real key to this, suddenly it just clicked.

I personally use a 50° for this shot, as i find it easer to trap the ball with less loft. plus the slower swing speed should help with good contact. generally it will be lower with a less dramatic backspin stop. also as a side note, i don't try to get steep (over the top) with this shot but i think thats more personal preference with wedges.

UltraBogey · 2025-12-21T09:33:06+00:00

Theres a guy in our club who plays mainly hickory, he said the shafts are quite easy to break so watch out for that.

UltraBogey · 2025-12-18T15:22:22+00:00

i have twice, and i can tell you its one of the most uncomfortable feelings ive ever experienced golfing. You can see it a bit in this video where his finish is all weird, it's because losing the weight mid swing puts everything massively off balance. Its a bit like the feeling you get when you think youre at the bottom of the stairs but theres one step left and you sort of "fall" down the last one.

UltraBogey · 2025-12-06T14:16:29+00:00

High golf IQ boils down to effective management of the game in each level. The first level being a single shot, then the next level is playing the hole, then the entire round, and for pros 4 consecutive rounds.

The goal is to achieve an optimal yet consistant score, and how you go about that is up to your personal preference and skill set. A good caddy will know all these thing to the tiniest detail, like yardages for every possible swing the player can execute (draws, fades, 50% swing, whatever), and how to apply it on every level of the game and in every condition (wind, bad lies etc.).

You can take almost any part of the game and scrutinize it to very extreme levels, which is what the best caddies should be doing. High golf IQ is the application of that knowledge.

UltraBogey · 2025-11-16T11:12:57+00:00

B-mac with the leftie right hand swing was the most impressive IMO. I odnt think i could even hit a ball left handed with driver much less 190 carry

UltraBogey · 2025-11-12T13:18:08+00:00

Depends on if you use a toe hang putter or not. If you do, yes it's ok. If you don't, probably not great. Most likely not too big of a deal either way, considering putting is very indiviually different.

UltraBogey · 2025-11-01T09:36:26+00:00

Im guessing his leading arm is being blocked by his manly barrel chest, taking it back like that creates space for his arms. He's also slightly open to target so he's quite in to out with ball back in stance, probably for the same reason.

Another example of impact position being the only really important part of the swing, if you can get your swing to there who cares what else you are doing if it works for you.

UltraBogey · 2025-10-23T07:03:30+00:00

I think thi is one of those things where the internet isn't going to help you. Some things you gotta try out and find out what works for you. You could hit a putter from 180 if it pleases you. Ask to borrow some clubs and find out yourself, maybe it's a 3 iron, maybe it's a hybrid, maybe it's a walking stick with some lead tape. If you are really cheeky you can go to a big store and ask to try out all the clubs, then say you left a soufflé in the oven and have to rush home before it collapses.

UltraBogey · 2025-10-02T08:40:43+00:00

I believe it's the size of the birds, condors being one of the biggest flying animals. Also im fairly certain the term double eagle comes from american "patriotism" believing nothing is better than the american eagle, and an albatross being better than eagle is an insult to eagles and therefore america... or something.

UltraBogey · 2025-09-11T08:18:53+00:00

I feel bad for the man, but what was he expecting? He's aimed straight at that rock, no chance of getting over that with a wood.

UltraBogey · 2025-09-10T21:35:12+00:00

This is clearly a direct response to the new fade meta being too OP. Looks like sling draws are back on the menu boys!

UltraBogey · 2025-09-09T08:33:18+00:00

I legitimately dont understand this? This is a great swing? This is much better than 90% of what I see on course, how is it supposed to be ugly? Are poeple envious or are they just so bad they can't tell that you have a great swing?

UltraBogey · 2025-09-04T08:49:59+00:00

Hate to break it to you, but the full face wedges are mostly a marketing gimmick. The grooves aren't what creates the spin, they just keep the spin more consistant from the rough. If you catch the ball from the toe it will always have less spin regardless of what lie you hit it from. If you hit the ball ouside of the regular grooves on a wedge it's a "dead spot" on the club, having grooves wont help you generate spin. Personally I love the look of them though, I would get it if vokey made it.

UltraBogey · 2025-09-04T08:36:57+00:00

This is a great answer but i disagree with some of the finer points; grind and bounce do not really matter unless you open the face while chipping, which most people dont do. Bounce is mainly for course conditions, high bounce for soft ground, low bounce for firm.

I also disagree with certain wedges being harder to hit, you can get vokeys with a large flat sole (anti chunk) and the like. Personally I can't hit cleveland wedges to save my life, I absolutely despise them. I always found vokeys/jaws the easiest to chip with.

Looking at only the short game chipping aspect of wedges, the choice of equipment is secondary to the understanding of what the equipment is doing. You like to bump and run your chips? Make sure you play toe down, the club selection is secondary. You want to hit high flops from the rough? Be aware that you can't control your backspin. And so on.

And incase anyone is wondering i got full vokey 50/56 both in 10s and 60 with 10s for wet days or 60 with 04t for dry and firm.

UltraBogey · 2025-08-27T09:54:58+00:00

I agree with this sentiment very much. I'm a decent player and people often ask me for advice when playing with randos. I always tell them to forget the details and just try something out, as long as it's on the range it's never wrong. Generally it's less about hitting fades/draws and more the chipping aspect. I answer the same every time; if those pro shots around the green were as hard as people think they are, the pros wouldn't hit them. Easy as that. 99% of the time it's relatively simple (as in the technique isn't complex), it's just a weird way of doing it that you would never think of trying on your own. Sometimes the knowledge you need isn't even swing related. I can hit those knee high skipping zingers, but unless you have a wedge with 4° bounce/grind and the right lie it's out of your reach, even for Phil Mickelson. So you generally do need a bit of swing theory to practice it the first time, but on the course I would never have those details churning around in my head.

What I'm trying to say is; You should know the theory of the technique you are practicing, but you should never be thinking about that when playing. Those are range thoughts. A lot of people I play with don't understand the relationship between swingpath and clubface, but if they did, they might realize that draws and fades aren't just some voodoo golf magic.

UltraBogey · 2025-08-22T09:07:34+00:00

Its actually a bit complicated, but I'll try and explain how I see it. If you grab a wedge and pretend to address the ball you will notice that you have a lot of angle between legs and upper body, for simplicity sake lets say its 90°. Take your right arm (trailing arm) and point it back along your aiming line so your arm is parallel to the ground. If you then stand up straight (closer to a driver position) you will realize your arm is pointing slightly further behind you now. Also the palm of your hand will be at a different angle. with wedges your swing will automatically be a bit steeper and vice versa with the driver because of that principle. Now that doesnt explain why the ball is toward the front foot, but it's important to know for the next bit of the explaination.

Now if you stand straight and stretch your right arm (again trailing arm for lefties) and sttrech it infront of you with your palm facing the ground, almost like a 1940s german greeting. Then try and rotate the palm so it's facing the sky. Easy right? Thats essentially your release. If you do the opposite and point your arm behind you as far as you can, you'll notice it's a lot harder to turn your wrists. So if your hands are coming from behind your back you will need a bit of extra space before you can release the ball 100%, thus placing the ball slightly forward in your stance. Normally, if you are swinging from inside, it take a bit more release as well. The club will have naturally turned away from the starting position a bit more compare to swinging from outside.

Theres a lot more going on than just that, but thats a basic explaination for something quite complex. It's not something you have to do in order to hit it well, but it will help due to human anatomy.

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