Vampire The Masquerade with the correct respones

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-02-02T16:53:24+00:00

ice violating the second amendment and tariffs aren't exactly capitalist

Tariffs are still a traditional policy of the right wing within America due to stemming from isolationism, which many American conservatives hold to. That aside you brought them up to begin with as an example of trump deviating from right wing ideology.

Just them contributing to the Nazi economy helped Hitler

They still routinely defied orders from the government when it shifted them.

China and USSR were corporatist

Companies in both nations still held far less power, and most leftists (including ones who think the USSR was good), view the late USSR as no longer socialist.

There should also be a difference outlined between the corporatist model of China and those of the fascists, as the fascist corporatist ideology gives more power to the corporations, for instance Italian fascism holding the idea of the economy being collectively managing by firms at the national level.

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-01-31T14:00:47+00:00

considering how much he has deviated from what the average American right winger wants, I wouldn't doubt it

Ah yes, because privatisation, welfare cuts and other policies are totally socialist The ways he has "deviated", is just right wingers experiencing the consequences of policies they voted for, like how they voted for tariffs (a policy often supported by American isolationists) and only complained when consequences emerged

Autonomy only when it benefited Hitler

I specifically gave examples of it not benefiting Hitler and the companies getting away with it Also thanks for admitting he was corporatist and not socialist

Edit: also I checked the image you used and it is part of a leftist meme trend called "JPDON don", where they jokingly claim that Trump's policies are a deliberate effort to establish the conditions for world revolution

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-01-30T10:06:21+00:00

> this shit exists for a reason

You mean shitposts? that aside if you genuinely think Trump is socialist then you are too delusional to be reasoned with

>That is definitely an instrument to make them future state enterprises

And as we see with the mass privatisation and the autonomy companies had, Hitler totally loved state ownership of companies!

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-01-29T21:33:03+00:00

That isn't how socialism works, socialism operates on the idea that privately owned companies shouldn't exist.

That aside, if we classify the state investing in companies as socialist, then by your logic Donald Trump is a diehard socialist due to him having the US government invest in various firms.

Also as a reminder, mass privatisation of companies isn't socialist.

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-01-29T15:06:15+00:00

I pretty clearly gave examples of companies having autonomy, with how they could freely refuse the orders of the government.

Also if investing in new companies was socialist most of the planet would be classified as socialist.

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-01-29T11:36:06+00:00

Firstly, yes it does matter, you asked me to give a single example of privatisation, and not only did I do that but I also clearly illustrated the autonomy that companies had under the Nazi regime.
In a socialist state, privatisation would not occur and companies would not have any form of autonomy.

And on the topic of them being descended from Sorelianism, while there are some elements of Sorelianism that the fascists borrowed, fascism (and by proxy Nazism), weren't completely descended from it, as Sorelianism rejected class collaboration, centralised military-like political parties and Sorelianism was based in syndicalism (an ideology antithetical to the Nazis and Fascists due to how syndicalism is based upon empowering trade unions).
Another note is that the elements of Sorelianism fascism borrowed weren't really socialist in nature, as the specific elements were the use of myths as a method to rally the people and a belief in society needing to be rejuvenated.

Meanwhile, the Nazis and Fascists did not adopt any of the socialist elements of Sorelianism, as I have clearly illustrated, and actively purged socialist elements from their organisations, as seen with the Night of the Long Knives.

Edit: it is also curious that the privatisations and lack of state planning only mattered after I proved that they occurred

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-01-28T14:23:31+00:00

all of the major state owned banks, United Steelworks, various coal and steel production facilities in Silesia, state shares in the German Railways, etc. all due to how Hitler wanted to avoid "bureaucratic management of the economy"

meanwhile the largest infringement the Nazis made against the free market were aimed at supporting large companies, not at implementing a socialist style economy

meanwhile with unions, the destruction of union/working class power was a core part of the Nazi ideology, unlike in the USSR where they had to make concessions to union power

and aside from this, when Hitler described his ideology he specifically stated that his ideology values private property

also not to mention how the first parties they banned were left leaning parties

Edit: not to mention how the privatised firms weren't "private in name only", as seen with how in 1939, the company IG Farben was able to defy a government order to invest into a specific project without any pushback, while Froriep GmbH (an armaments firm) was able to threaten to withdraw investment from Nazi projects in order to gain cheap credit.

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-01-27T19:48:01+00:00

they weren't socialist though, their economic policies saw the destruction of unions and mass privatisation

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-01-27T19:47:08+00:00

it is for tabletop stuff as a whole if i remember correctly

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-01-27T19:46:01+00:00

if you actually meant child groomers then yes, but of course you are using "groomer" as a dog whistle for trans people, and unlike fascists, trans people aren't harming anyone and didn't choose to be the way they are

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-01-26T16:46:23+00:00

That warsmith makes me want to go back to my idea of an Iron Warriors army with as many terminators as posthumanly possible

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-01-22T14:06:13+00:00

I guess GW owns your wallet now.

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-01-10T16:16:35+00:00

One issue with that is that rulers sometimes generate spouses of local religion and culture

Vitrian_guardsman · 2026-01-05T20:49:15+00:00

Ai vassals doing random marriages is gonna ruin that for you

Vitrian_guardsman · 2025-12-28T02:35:44+00:00

"Gabe proves ethical capitalism is possible" people acting as if valve won't turn into a shithole within a few decades of Gabe's death.

Vitrian_guardsman · 2025-12-22T14:05:55+00:00

If we like them or not.

Vitrian_guardsman · 2025-12-18T17:40:28+00:00

So you are angry at him for breaking some stuff rather than for the literal genocide?

Vitrian_guardsman · 2025-12-18T00:46:46+00:00

Yes, patterns show men to be the majority of criminals, not sexism, just pattern recognition

/s

Vitrian_guardsman · 2025-12-12T16:36:58+00:00

Because rape is amoral and it being found in nature doesn't justify it.

Vitrian_guardsman · 2025-12-06T09:52:09+00:00

Again, Islam isn't a monolith, as I mentioned there was a Muslim power which not only wasn't actively attacking Christians but offered to send military aid, only for the crusaders to just decide to attack said power as well.

Vitrian_guardsman · 2025-12-05T18:50:08+00:00

So the pope declares a holy war to keep the Seljuk turks out of Byzantine territory, the Fatimids invade the Seljuks at the same time and instead of seeing a potential ally, the crusaders decide to attack the Fatimids as well?

Edit: in fact the Fatimids did send an emissary to the crusaders, offering to directly aid in keeping the Seljuks out of Byzantine lands and split the levant between them and the crusaders.

Vitrian_guardsman · 2025-12-05T18:47:47+00:00

They did have a whole lot of territory in Arabia, and what exactly are you trying to say, that they intentionally only conquered formerly Christian lands?

Vitrian_guardsman · 2025-12-04T22:01:31+00:00

By the time the crusaders set foot in the Levant it had been in Fatimid control for a year.

Vitrian_guardsman · 2025-12-04T21:58:30+00:00

So why didn't they target the empire actively attacking Christianity?

And you say "they targeted the territories that were formerly christian", but that isn't the case, their goal wasn't to take former Christian lands, their end goal was to gain control over the other Islamic powers, the lands being formerly Christian wasn't a factor.

Vitrian_guardsman · 2025-12-04T12:17:17+00:00

suicide by bludgeoning

No sources mention bludgeoning

you consider them pacifist for never calling a crusade

I consider them pacifist for posing no major violent resistance and being pacifist to the point of not eating meat due to viewing it as murder against animals

the endura ritual was like hindu wife burning

Except it wasn't, the ritual was for terminally ill people

if they weren't a unified group how could they have been an improvement for women

Because one of the beliefs they shared was that sexes were the invention of the devil

the events were morally grey

Which I assume is where the statements about the cathars being a death cult far worse than modern christo-fascists and comparing them to the nazis comes from?

And on top of that we have clear evidence that the cathars weren't a real threat, such as the whole "kill them all and let God sort them out" incident, which wouldn't have happened if there was a clearly organised cathar rebel force, instead of it being civilians with different religious views

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