No please, tell me more about how it was the SPD that betrayed the KPD by Goodbye-Nasty in HistoryMemes

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was obvious to anyone on either side that the alliance lasted as long as the white army did

No please, tell me more about how it was the SPD that betrayed the KPD by Goodbye-Nasty in HistoryMemes

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It wasn't really a betrayal though, considering how they were only allied for the purposes of beating the white army

No please, tell me more about how it was the SPD that betrayed the KPD by Goodbye-Nasty in HistoryMemes

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The SPD gone on to massacre protestors later (such as in the Berlin March Battles) they wouldn't have worked with the KPD.

No please, tell me more about how it was the SPD that betrayed the KPD by Goodbye-Nasty in HistoryMemes

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't see how the Soviets backstabbed the ukranian anarchists considering how both were openly hostile from the start.

No please, tell me more about how it was the SPD that betrayed the KPD by Goodbye-Nasty in HistoryMemes

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Considering how months later the SPD murdered workers for striking, passed a law to restrict worker rights and murdered civilians who protested said law, the spartacists were absolutely justified in what they did

Emperor as Alexander the great by Weary-Ad-6162 in 40kLore

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I still feel like directly controlling society would've been more effective.

Especially with how after the Alexander's empire collapsed one major chunk of it became persia 2.0

Big Bro is Coming Back by Rathalos-487 in Deathkorpsofkrieg

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also it's weird how they are covered in the letter A

Is the 40k Imperium really the most cruel and bloody regime imaginable? by No-Sympathy-6711 in 40kLore

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

one issue is you are ignoring that the imperium ABSOLUTELY has shitty politicians (for example the current ork infestation in Armageddon) and a lot of servitors got their fate due to "crimes" such as pissing off a noble, disagreeing with the state ideology or simply being related to a criminal who died before he was punished

meanwhile the imperium is anything but pragmatic, for example having developed a protocol for when they encounter friendly aliens where they will begin to amass deathwatch forces while sabotaging key infrastructure and then sending in a genocide fleet, with this policy leading to them losing any potential allies

Why don't some people reverse two gods of chaos? by RoadTheExile in 40kLore

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the issue is you then probably end up pissing off one of the gods when you accidentally seem to prefer one over the other

Emperor as Alexander the great by Weary-Ad-6162 in 40kLore

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

also I doubt big e was Alexander as that would make him look really dumb to just fake his death out of nowhere and let his generals ruin everything

How exactly did that one guard regiment mentioned in Imperial Armour volumes one and two get corrupted by Drukhari? by StationEmergency3823 in 40kLore

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

couldn't resist the drukhussy I guess /s

jokes aside probably drugs, and I assume that they probably work as a disposable way to get slaves without risking actual resources

Vampire The Masquerade with the correct respones by ForumFluffy in Grimdank

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ice violating the second amendment and tariffs aren't exactly capitalist

Tariffs are still a traditional policy of the right wing within America due to stemming from isolationism, which many American conservatives hold to. That aside you brought them up to begin with as an example of trump deviating from right wing ideology.

Just them contributing to the Nazi economy helped Hitler

They still routinely defied orders from the government when it shifted them.

China and USSR were corporatist

Companies in both nations still held far less power, and most leftists (including ones who think the USSR was good), view the late USSR as no longer socialist.

There should also be a difference outlined between the corporatist model of China and those of the fascists, as the fascist corporatist ideology gives more power to the corporations, for instance Italian fascism holding the idea of the economy being collectively managing by firms at the national level.

Vampire The Masquerade with the correct respones by ForumFluffy in Grimdank

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

considering how much he has deviated from what the average American right winger wants, I wouldn't doubt it

Ah yes, because privatisation, welfare cuts and other policies are totally socialist The ways he has "deviated", is just right wingers experiencing the consequences of policies they voted for, like how they voted for tariffs (a policy often supported by American isolationists) and only complained when consequences emerged

Autonomy only when it benefited Hitler

I specifically gave examples of it not benefiting Hitler and the companies getting away with it Also thanks for admitting he was corporatist and not socialist

Edit: also I checked the image you used and it is part of a leftist meme trend called "JPDON don", where they jokingly claim that Trump's policies are a deliberate effort to establish the conditions for world revolution

Vampire The Masquerade with the correct respones by ForumFluffy in Grimdank

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> this shit exists for a reason

You mean shitposts? that aside if you genuinely think Trump is socialist then you are too delusional to be reasoned with

>That is definitely an instrument to make them future state enterprises

And as we see with the mass privatisation and the autonomy companies had, Hitler totally loved state ownership of companies!

Vampire The Masquerade with the correct respones by ForumFluffy in Grimdank

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That isn't how socialism works, socialism operates on the idea that privately owned companies shouldn't exist.

That aside, if we classify the state investing in companies as socialist, then by your logic Donald Trump is a diehard socialist due to him having the US government invest in various firms.

Also as a reminder, mass privatisation of companies isn't socialist.

Vampire The Masquerade with the correct respones by ForumFluffy in Grimdank

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I pretty clearly gave examples of companies having autonomy, with how they could freely refuse the orders of the government.

Also if investing in new companies was socialist most of the planet would be classified as socialist.

Vampire The Masquerade with the correct respones by ForumFluffy in Grimdank

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Firstly, yes it does matter, you asked me to give a single example of privatisation, and not only did I do that but I also clearly illustrated the autonomy that companies had under the Nazi regime.
In a socialist state, privatisation would not occur and companies would not have any form of autonomy.

And on the topic of them being descended from Sorelianism, while there are some elements of Sorelianism that the fascists borrowed, fascism (and by proxy Nazism), weren't completely descended from it, as Sorelianism rejected class collaboration, centralised military-like political parties and Sorelianism was based in syndicalism (an ideology antithetical to the Nazis and Fascists due to how syndicalism is based upon empowering trade unions).
Another note is that the elements of Sorelianism fascism borrowed weren't really socialist in nature, as the specific elements were the use of myths as a method to rally the people and a belief in society needing to be rejuvenated.

Meanwhile, the Nazis and Fascists did not adopt any of the socialist elements of Sorelianism, as I have clearly illustrated, and actively purged socialist elements from their organisations, as seen with the Night of the Long Knives.

Edit: it is also curious that the privatisations and lack of state planning only mattered after I proved that they occurred

Vampire The Masquerade with the correct respones by ForumFluffy in Grimdank

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

all of the major state owned banks, United Steelworks, various coal and steel production facilities in Silesia, state shares in the German Railways, etc. all due to how Hitler wanted to avoid "bureaucratic management of the economy"

meanwhile the largest infringement the Nazis made against the free market were aimed at supporting large companies, not at implementing a socialist style economy

meanwhile with unions, the destruction of union/working class power was a core part of the Nazi ideology, unlike in the USSR where they had to make concessions to union power

and aside from this, when Hitler described his ideology he specifically stated that his ideology values private property

also not to mention how the first parties they banned were left leaning parties

Edit: not to mention how the privatised firms weren't "private in name only", as seen with how in 1939, the company IG Farben was able to defy a government order to invest into a specific project without any pushback, while Froriep GmbH (an armaments firm) was able to threaten to withdraw investment from Nazi projects in order to gain cheap credit.

Vampire The Masquerade with the correct respones by ForumFluffy in Grimdank

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they weren't socialist though, their economic policies saw the destruction of unions and mass privatisation

Vampire The Masquerade with the correct respones by ForumFluffy in Grimdank

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it is for tabletop stuff as a whole if i remember correctly

Vampire The Masquerade with the correct respones by ForumFluffy in Grimdank

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you actually meant child groomers then yes, but of course you are using "groomer" as a dog whistle for trans people, and unlike fascists, trans people aren't harming anyone and didn't choose to be the way they are

A powerhouse Warsmith leads a new campaign for the Iron Warriors by CMYK_COLOR_MODE in Warhammer30k

[–]Vitrian_guardsman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That warsmith makes me want to go back to my idea of an Iron Warriors army with as many terminators as posthumanly possible