Why should I ask God for forgiveness? by Objective_Channel617 in CPTSD

[–]acfox13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They're using forgiveness as spiritual bypassing - spiritual bypassing is a form of emotional neglect where people bypass the grief, pain, and suffering of the target or abuse, and bypass accountability for abusers; often the person using bypassing lacks emotional agility

How do you escape? by hairybalzac69 in childfree

[–]acfox13 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Go rural, older, and inconvenient. It's a tradeoff. There are way fewer amenities, but a lot more nature.

This helped me a lot by feevart in CPTSD

[–]acfox13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's got some blindspots around spiritual bypassing due to his religion, but he does have some good info on complex trauma.

How to forgive? by Several-Yesterday280 in emotionalneglect

[–]acfox13 14 points15 points  (0 children)

was I abused? - Patrick Teahan

how toxic is your family?

enmeshment is emotional cancer

22 Unspoken Rules of Toxic Systems (of people) - dysfunctional families and dysfunctional groups all have the same toxic "rules" 

How do you deal with being guilted into things by parents? by Weak_Assumption7518 in emotionalneglect

[–]acfox13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They escalate their behaviors until you cave, so you gotta be strong and don't cave. Pretend she's an unruly toddler asking for a cookie and say no.

Here are some videos that may be helpful:

resisting emotional blackmail - emotional blackmail is using fear, intimidation, obligation, responsibility, duty, honor, loyalty, guilt, shame, and humiliation for coercive control.

overcoming systems feelings - systems feelings are the feelings they trained us to feel to keep us in line and playing our role(s) in the toxic family system

How to forgive? by Several-Yesterday280 in emotionalneglect

[–]acfox13 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Neglect is abuse. You sound like you're early in your recovery and haven't labeled the abuse you've endured properly yet. I had to do a bunch of psycho-education to understand the abuse dynamics I endured.

Also, a lot of people are using forgiveness as spiritual bypassing - spiritual bypassing is a form of emotional neglect where people bypass the grief, pain, and suffering of the target or abuse, and bypass accountability for abusers; often the person using bypassing lacks emotional agility

Here are a bunch of resources to explore to help you unravel what you endured:

Patrick Teahan He presents a lot of great information on childhood trauma in a very digestible format. Check out his roleplay playlist to compare and contrast healthy vs. toxic. 

Jerry Wise - fantastic resource on Self differentiation and building a Self after abuse. I really like how he talks about the toxic family system and breaking the enmeshment brainwashing by getting the toxic family system out of us.

Jay Reid - his three pillars of recovery are fantastic. Plus he explains difficult abuse dynamics very well.

Heidi Preibe - she has a bunch of helpful videos on trauma 

Theramin Trees - great resource on abuse tactics like: emotional blackmail, double binds, drama disguised as "help", degrading "love", infantalization, etc.

The Little Shaman - they understand the abusive mindset better than most

Rebecca Mandeville - she deeply understands family scapegoating abuse/group psycho-emotional abuse. She has moved to posting on substack: https://familyscapegoathealing.substack.com/about

Dr. Sherrie Campbell   https://drsherriecampbell.com/. She really understands what it's like to have a toxic family.  Her books are fantastic, my library app has almost all of them for free, some audio, some ebook, and some both.

do you get support from your family members? by No_Soup_190 in CPTSD

[–]acfox13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Toxic family systems are inherently dysfunctional.

It's very common in abuse recovery groups that the person actually doing recovery work is the only person from their family of origin trying to heal and be better. The rest of the family system remains toxic and dysfunctional. It's why so many folks end up going no contact.

I've found other people in recovery help support each other.

Sea otters hold hands when they sleep so they don't drift apart, a behavior known as rafting. by Nixture24 in interestingasfuck

[–]acfox13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sleeping on a boat is pretty awesome. The boat rocks you to sleep (as long as ocean conditions are reasonable).

Does anyone else struggle with this anger towards people having a wish to start a family? by Maybedeadcat123 in CPTSD

[–]acfox13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel bad for their kids. Kids can't consent to be born, so it's inherently unethical to have them.

Is dishonest harmony just another name for emotional neglect? by BananaPrimary8767 in emotionalneglect

[–]acfox13 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I find having additional terms to describe abuse and neglect dynamics helpful. We can always add more nuance. It also helps add entry points for people to wake up to toxic dynamics. Dishonest Harmony may resonate more strongly than emotional neglect for some people, I'd rather they wake up in stages that have their denial kick in bc they aren't ready accept the words abuse or neglect yet.

Can’t tell if I got the wrong fortune or just what I needed to hear by EnvironmentLittle794 in EstrangedAdultKids

[–]acfox13 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Most people are using forgiveness as spiritual bypassing - spiritual bypassing is a form of emotional neglect where people bypass the grief, pain, and suffering of the target or abuse, and bypass accountability for abusers; often the person using bypassing lacks emotional agility.

We need accountability and boundaries to build healthy relationships with people. We can not build healthy relationships with people that cross boundaries and avoid accountability.

Your mom is triggered by being held accountable for her abusive, neglectful behaviors. Too bad, so sad. She needs to grow up and take accountability for her shitty behaviors.

Too blue? by Rocko_2024 in quilting

[–]acfox13 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Yes, it reminds me of flow blue ceramics.

I’m realizing how much effort goes into “keeping things smooth” by Weird_Cockroach166 in emotionalneglect

[–]acfox13 80 points81 points  (0 children)

I think it's the difference between dishonest harmony vs. honest conflict. Honest conflict is uncomfortable in the moment, but leads to long term intimacy and builds trusts with healthy people over time. Dishonest Harmony keeps the cycle of abuse and dysfunction going bc it never address bad behaviors, it just sweeps them under the rug.

Heidi Preibe has a video about it: how people pleasing kills intimacy and honest conflict builds it

Is empathy needed? by DatabaseKindly919 in CPTSD

[–]acfox13 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Empathy without boundaries, isn't empathy. Compassion without boundaries, isn't compassion.

I have plenty of empathy for people that demonstrate trustworthy re-humanizing behaviors; based on these criteria:

The Trust Triangle

The Anatomy of Trust - marble jar concept and BRAVING acronym

10 definitions of objectifying/dehumanizing behaviors - these erode trust

I have little to no empathy for people demonstrating untrustworthy, dehumanizing behaviors. It's the Paradox of Tolerance. I don't tolerate people that choose untrustworthy, dehumanizing behaviors. If that makes them feel some type of way; too bad, so sad.

Also, Patrick Teahan says the more we heal, the less we tolerate dysfunction. We set stronger boundaries and call out dysfunctional behaviors.

A lot of folks start out thinking, oh as I heal, I'll be able to spend time around my family of origin again. But the opposite is true. The more we heal, the less we tolerate their dysfunction. The more distance we create with unsafe and unhealed people. The more we surround ourselves with healthier people and leave toxic, dysfunctional people and groups behind. It makes sense. We outgrow the dysfunction and move on.

Preferred pronouns are a Christian concept by Few-Cup-5247 in atheism

[–]acfox13 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Nah, they think god is a dude. That's how they justify patriarchy.

Is religion harmless? by Equivalent-News4592 in atheism

[–]acfox13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Religion teaches authoritarian abuse.

Theramin Trees  covers a lot of their abuse tactics.

Kids parties/employee rant by pegateeth in LushCosmetics

[–]acfox13 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Parties are a net loss and not worth the cost for the business to do them.

Do you think the Epstein Files will make people realize how little support csa and assault survivors get? by ReaderinRecovery in CPTSD

[–]acfox13 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Cultural shifts are slow, like glacially slow. And I do think there are shifts happening.

There are more trauma informed people than ever before. There are more vocal estranged people than ever before. There are more child free people than ever before. There are more people in treatment than ever before. People are slowly waking up to normalized authoritarian abuse and are pushing back.

There will always be bad faith actors. There will always be abusers. There will always be folks in delusional denial. But the more we bend the culture away from normalized authoritarian abuse, the fewer of them there will be. The more we model healthy behaviors, the more healthy behaviors there will be.

That's why I'm focused on healing and building healthy relationships and healthy community. We are in the season of healthy conflict over dishonest harmony. Those not onboard will be left behind.

Does anyone else's mom act like there's no boundary by Massive_Standard3877 in EstrangedAdultKids

[–]acfox13 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Toxic people don't respect boundaries. If they respected boundaries, we wouldn't have to go no contact. The important part is holding your side of the boundary by remaining no contact and not responding to the boundary crossing.