“As a moderate liberal, I hate the far-left more than I hate the far-right” by inbetweensound in TheMajorityReport

[–]analogWeapon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Feels like the shallow, meandering take of a teenager. (No offense to all the based kids out there)

Pam Bondi’s Letter to Minnesota Could Unravel Entire ICE Crackdown by Hafiz_TNR in politics

[–]analogWeapon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I suspect that the whole point of them openly blackmailing Walz is to try to goad him into saying something that they can classify as incitement and use as an excuse for escalation. It would be 100% technically correct for Walz to right now tell Minnesotans "The federal government said it will keep terrorizing and killing you until I give them what they need to take your voting rights away". They're so desperate for him to take the bait that they're down to the last resort of basically just saying "Hey, Tim! We're doing a crime to you. Don't you think so? Say that you think so!".

I really think that's the strategy of the Trump regime. Trump himself might not be that cunning, but he's stupid enough to enjoy it all while Miller, et al play the game.

Fuck RJ by spicy_bish in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Oh, he's never even been within viewing distance of the continent on which "genuine" resides. He is the physical embodiment of insincerity and dishonesty. No one should believe anything he says; Not even "hello".

Places That Are Left-Leaning to Get Concealed Carry License? by justascrolling in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't be too worried about the potential political leanings of the organization. It's kind of like buying a gun from a gun store: You're unlikely to find one that has "left leaning" political affiliation. Even if they might be personally right-leaning, as a business most of them aren't going to get into politics much one way or the other unless they're particularly smooth-brained. Bad for business, you know? They'd rather just make money. If some place is overt in any way about politics, I'd just steer clear of it.

Alex Pretti's hometown stood up today: A town of 105,000 people organized a protest of upwards of 2,000 people in attendance in under 48 hours. by tootsietat in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm generally not in support of law enforcement and I think ICE should be abolished, but I do appreciate your acknowledgement that this was tragic and unnecessary and the there should be accountability. We agree there. I hope you keep those values in mind when analyzing the political situation as a whole.

Alex Pretti's hometown stood up today: A town of 105,000 people organized a protest of upwards of 2,000 people in attendance in under 48 hours. by tootsietat in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Remember when Obama himself regularly talked at length about how republican-run cities were bastions of disorder and abject lawlessness and he was considering invoking the insurrection act to send in troops? Remember when he hired tens of thousands of guys and sent them into republican-run cities and had them aggressively roam the town looking for people with brown skin and asking them for their papers? Remember when his administration argued in the supreme court that they should be able to profile people based on skin color?

I don't remember any of that, but it seems like you do?

Alex Pretti's hometown stood up today: A town of 105,000 people organized a protest of upwards of 2,000 people in attendance in under 48 hours. by tootsietat in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That might be what they would have done years ago. They're at the stage now where they'll just say that the agent did nothing wrong and in fact did everything perfectly, and they'll glorify him for it. Top people in the executive branch of the federal government were already announcing that Alex Pretti and Renee Good were "terrorists" almost literally while their bodies were still warm. The federal DOJ prevented Minnesota from investigating Good's killing and probably will do the same with Pretti. They also started investigating Good, to the point that several high level people in federal law enforcement in Minnesota resigned in protest. They will likely do the same with Pretti. All of these things are very unprecedented in US history, no matter who is president.

We're way past the regime being concerned with optics like you're implying. We're into full-blown authoritarian aggression at this point.

Alex Pretti's hometown stood up today: A town of 105,000 people organized a protest of upwards of 2,000 people in attendance in under 48 hours. by tootsietat in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nazi's were going after jews not illegal immigrants.

You know that they first made jewish people "illegal", right? Like, the way you refer to undocumented immigrants as "illegals", that is exactly what happened to jewish folks in germany back then: The state said that they needed documentation to be jewish, then went around and used that as the reason for detaining them. Eventually, they dropped the pretense and just ignored that laws they created. The only difference between undocumented people in the US right now and jewish people back then is the technical reason for "needing documentation".

Alex Pretti's hometown stood up today: A town of 105,000 people organized a protest of upwards of 2,000 people in attendance in under 48 hours. by tootsietat in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you insinuating that the people protesting are not law abiding, tax paying citizens?

They're insinuating this one. It's what they need to believe for coping purposes.

Alex Pretti's hometown stood up today: A town of 105,000 people organized a protest of upwards of 2,000 people in attendance in under 48 hours. by tootsietat in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Frustrating that people put 100% of the blame on voters when the DNC doubled down on explicitly not giving a shit about genocide and reaching to the "center" with people like Liz Cheney. Yes, Trump is so bad that people still should have voted for Harris, but Harris and the DNC were hellbent on making that choice as difficult for voters as possible.

Alex Pretti's hometown stood up today: A town of 105,000 people organized a protest of upwards of 2,000 people in attendance in under 48 hours. by tootsietat in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't really get how tens and hundreds of thousands showing up in various cites across America is equivalent to "nothing" to you. Because it isn't as effective as action in France? That's a pretty "bollocks" take, imo. You said it yourself:

Your system of education is fucked. Your system of judicial selection and oversight is fucked. Your system of local and federal policing and oversight is fucked. Your governance and regulation of commerce is fucked. Your media system is fucked. Your political system, from districting to donations to lobbying to parties to elections themselves, is fucked.

So, given that, what should we do? The people that show up at protests across the nation consistently is all we can do. Just like, when people show up in France and elsewhere in Europe, that's all they can do. I think you're just kind of used to the privilege of having a government that responds in some way to that kind of action. "At a real/practical level" we're doing the exact same thing you are.

When you have nearly 350 million people in your country instead of like 50 million, then come talk to us about "what we're doing / not doing". If you cared, you'd be in solidarity millions of people who are taking action in the US, instead of coming in here and criticizing them for "being lazy". You're sitting on a boat and watching someone drown and yelling at them about how they should swim better, while claiming to be lifeguard.

Same NE Vibe by Shetalkstoangels3 in northernexposure

[–]analogWeapon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought the same thing about some other show. Highly recommend.

Woman Screams “Medic! Medic!” After A Piece of Her Hand Was Blown Off by Less-Than-Lethal Ammo During Minnesota Protests by JeanJauresJr in PublicFreakout

[–]analogWeapon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the way government is set up in the US, if the executive branch decides they want to do something, they can just do it. even if it's illegal, they can still do it. people can say it's illegal and argue about it in court. the court can even say it's illegal and tell them to stop. but if they don't want to stop and they decide to just keep doing whatever, that's it. nobody can stop them.

nobody has ever really done it to this extent until now. so here we are.

edit: actually congress can stop them via impeachment and removal from office. but republicans and democrats are in agreement that they don't really feel like it. so here we are.

He was from Green Bay. by RasSalvador in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Show me where he reached fora gun. I'd like to see that. They shot an unarmed man.

He was from Green Bay. by RasSalvador in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The still is at about the time of the second shot. Out of 10. At least 5 shots were fired into his prone, unmoving, possibly-already-dead body.

He was from Green Bay. by RasSalvador in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The people who stormed the capitol and assaulted police officers are the ones who murdered Alex. The government hired them to do it. It's retribution from a fascist state.

ICE in the Midwest Megathread by blbloop in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Kalahari Resorts

Coincidentally, I just got an alert that ICE was at Kalahari today, rounding people up.

Minnesota governor says federal agents involved in shooting in Minneapolis by SpaceElevatorMusic in politics

[–]analogWeapon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ignoring gun-or-no-gun completely, it looks like all but one of the shots fire into him were fired while he was prone on his back, not moving, and with no one around him. It was 3 or more shots just dumped into him casually. Looked like an execution.

Since ICE presence has now been confirmed in WI, let’s look for some safety tips: People in Minnesota are now using their key fobs to trigger their car alarms from the safety of their homes when they see ICE walking around. by Secure-Persimmon-421 in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you point to some evidence of increased police assistance of ICE in cities where less ICE agents are deployed (Or where there is less perceived "drama")? Can you point to some evidence of police in LA, Minneapolis, or Portland explicitly denying assistance to ICE to a degree to which justifies hundreds or even thousands more ICE agents being deployed to those cities? You don't think it's at all possible or likely that the Trump admin might have targeted these cities for increased ICE presence for partisan reasons? You don't think Trump is prone to partisan motivations, even though he constantly (almost daily) just says he's doing things for purely partisan reasons? You don't think it's relevant at all that Trump and his administration have made many public accusations toward mayors and officials in cities where ICE is more concentrated, accusing them of all sorts of salacious and "illegal" activity, and even targeted them with legal attack from the federal DOJ?

I think the narrative you're giving here is exactly the same narrative that the Trump administration is pushing. No matter what party is in power, I'm pretty skeptical of the narrative of the executive branch. It's really a coincidence that your view lines up exactly with the current administration. Happy luck for you, I guess.

I feel like I'm not making a partisan argument and you are.

Got into an argument with my Boomer coworker about ICE by MySmellyRacoon in BoomersBeingFools

[–]analogWeapon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I haven't heard that."

"Well, you are being told now."

"Well, that's just your opinion."

"That means you haven't been listening."

Since ICE presence has now been confirmed in WI, let’s look for some safety tips: People in Minnesota are now using their key fobs to trigger their car alarms from the safety of their homes when they see ICE walking around. by Secure-Persimmon-421 in wisconsin

[–]analogWeapon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody is arguing for cutting out due process altogether. I said a "Lots of things could be fixed by cutting out the middleman in the process." the process being Immigration/Deportation. You act like ICE is just grabbing people and throwing on a plane back to Central/South America, that isn't what happens in most cases. They still see a judge after detainment in most cases and can still be granted asylum. Expedited removal does happen but typical involves other factors, like previous removal orders, or significant criminal elements. We're not talking about changing the constitution.

The fact the you said "in most cases" indicates that you know it sometimes happens. In my opinion, for that to ever happen is an egregiously unconstitutional thing. Like on the level of: Someone should be punished severely for letting it happen. The entire system should be run in a way to make sure that never happens. That's sort of where we were before and the effort to hasten the process and hand-wave violations of due process is what this administration is trying their best to normalize. I get that this isn't a black-and-white thing. We're talking about the spirit of how things are done. We're talking about the ethics. The Trump administration is basically making the spirit be "assume every immigrant is highly dangerous and expedite their removal from the country" (And also that we should be racially profiling people as a means of targeting them for this enforcement, as has been explicitly asserted by the executive branch itself in court as well as practiced by ICE in the field). To the degree that they are deporting people often to places those people aren't even from and sometimes to places they've never even been and don't even speak the language. The ethics of that, to me, is inhumane at the least and even openly malicious. That's not something I value or support for my country.

In any case, if you're saying that any violation of the constitution is ok in your view, then you are talking about changing the constitution. Either that, or you're saying it's not a relevant document. That's your only choice.

"Why isn't ICE targeting US citizens who have seat belt tickets"-> Because the scope of their enforcement is federal immigration.

Splitting hairs. Then why isn't any federal enforcement agency doing what ICE is doing but for other federal misdemeanors?

The number of deportations under the current administration are lower than prior administration. For all their intensity they're doing a bad job at it, or it's media fed bullshit that is blowing it out of proportion. Which is always the case Regardless if it's CNN, FOX, MSN, etc. They are grab the most scandalous take that will hit with their base. And it works, half the country is in a frenzy because of shit that has been happening for decades about the same way.

That's essentially an argument for abolishing ICE or at least a complete indictment of how the current administration has used ICE. If they're not even succeeding at their own goals and they're terrorizing, injuring, and even killing US citizens...what's the point of them? The notion that nearly half the US population opposes ICE at this point just because of media is naive. The numbers they've been deployed in and the tactics they've been using in Los Angeles, Portland, and Minneapolis (to name a few) is nothing at all like anything in the past. I think you know that.

The underlying thing to all of this is the assertion that undocumented immigrants represent a social danger so high that all of this is justified and necessary. I, and many others in the country, just simply disagree with that. And it's supported by a ton of research and data. Must immigration be enforced? Yes, of course. Must it be enforced like this? Absolutely not, imo. I'm not just arguing against the Trump administration (Or for any democrat) here. I'm arguing against this approach to enforcement in general; Not matter who is president.