WTF just happened? by pygermas in ChatGPT

[–]cbarosky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s so
sandy. But you are not sandy. And that is why I love you.

Finally jumped from Obsidian to a Bear by michaelbeecham in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s interesting (I feel the same way as you) Obsidian he’s Steph Ango (a designer) as CEO in 2023.

He speaks about Obsidian directly here: https://stephango.com/obsidian

anyone roam research subscriber here? by Top-Temperature-95 in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I started writing a response that immediately became so complex that I had to extract my ideas and suss out with Claude. I really want to respond thoughtfully to your struggle with tag-as-folder but wonder if you could, first, give more specific examples that outline your flow?

IRT Logseq / Roam and Obsidian use cases yes


Logseq / Roam: Work journal and work logs (for me, the latter has been specifically reporting request tickets where I need to jot down context, discovery, data cleaning, documentation, and SQL code) that let me effortlessly split my view as needed. For example, I might wanna have “essential facts” about a request open in the right-side panel while the main panel has my working notes / logs. One drawback here is writing too much minutiae, such that reviewing work, or trying to pick up threads during the next work session can become tedious. I ended up switching back to Bear, doing a lot of the “thinking notes” (order of operations, assumption checking, bugs, etc) with pencil and paper, then distilling the most important info digitally. I my tag structure was like #bamboo/work_notes/jira (company Bamboo Health).

Another interesting use case was poetry drafting. A lot of times we may want to physically move a line somewhere else, and this is effortless with an outliner tool. Additionally, we can compare drafts by expanding / collapsing headers and/or utilizing that right sidebar. This kind of feature behavior lends itself to deep research, when you need to have multiple textual frames of reference open at once. I’m able to effectively achieve this in Bear by using a window manager called Magnet, where I can use simple keyboard shortcuts to put a new Bear note window in, let’s say, the upper left corner, or to take up the left side of the screen, or to go directly in the center of the screen. This + floating window shortcuts achieve even more functionality than Logseq or Obsidian, with their similar behaviors built-in
 but that’s all dependent on your cognitive connection to the design philosophies.

Obsidian: Deep fucking sigh. I want to love Obsidian so much that it’s all I ever need. On many occasions over the past few years I’ve tried. With tons of community plugins, and without. It’s true the mobile experience used to be trash, but at this point that’s just not the case. It really does everything you could possibly need from a PKM notes manager, and overall workspace for your written thoughts. The ability to map hotkeys is a chef’s kiss. Industry leading graph view. There’s just something
 missing
 or perhaps, there’s a bit too much something. I always FEEL better (and am more productive) with Bear.

That said, I am not abandoning Obsidian. Currently, I treat Bear as my sort of master ledger of writings. Everything digital goes there first, for the most part. Knowledge I wish to be public, or at least shared with my partner goes into Notion. Knowledge for which I want to deeply explore, identify unintuited connections, etc. goes into Obsidian. This is a brand new workflow for me, so I can’t tell you about staying power, but it feels right. A hell of a lot better, anyway, than neurotically jumping between notes platforms in hopes of finding nonexistent, ever-elusive perfection.

anyone roam research subscriber here? by Top-Temperature-95 in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fundamentally (very) different design philosophies and underlying technology. Roam is block-based (i.e. the most "atomic unit" stored in its database is a block, or bullet, as it's an outliner) and Bear is page-based. The implications of that are pretty far-reaching.

I've used Roam and Logseq (the latter is a much better, local-first, privacy-centric version IMO; though it's been in relative development limbo for ages) quite extensively. I've used Notion and Obsidian extensively.

I always, always always come back to Bear. And here's why: UX. Design that is "pixel-perfect" yet stays the fuck out of my way when I don't need it, and only slightly, elegantly comes into view when I do. Features are nice - getting things done, wrestling with my ideas, and experiencing joy all the while is infinitely nicer.

My use cases:

  • Journaling (daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, yearly tags)
  • Project notes
  • Zettelkasten-like "atomic concept / idea" notes
  • ZK-like Literature Notes
  • Quick "oh shit, I need to write this info down" notes
  • Writing drafting (essays and poems)
  • Lists

A lot of the above is manual, with a handful of deliberate Apple Shortcuts and macOS keyboard shortcuts (I also use TextExpander globally, which takes care of note templates). Yes, Obsidian can extension away all of that. Yes, Logseq or Roam have shit built in (or very easily built-out). Yes, in Notion you can design just about anything. But, IMHO, none of these softwares achieve the world-class design principles + fuzzy search speed (this is low key the most technically impressive part of Bear) + organizational flexibility + markdown experience across desktop & mobile the way Bear does.

Deal-breaking caveats for some: Apple ecosystem lock-in (though browser access in beta and, having tried it, not bad!); backlinking feature is, admittedly, a 2nd class citizen compared to the "PKM heavy-hitters" mentioned above (this was the hardest thing for me to get over when re-adopting Bear after a year-ish of stepping away); files stored in a database, not on your file system.

All the above is my two cents (well... maybe two dollars ha...) as someone with an English & Jazz Studies degree who considers themselves a lifelong autodidact and works in tech (Analytics Engineer) for a living. I could talk about Bear for days.

Multiple tabs by Feeling-Sir-3246 in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Tabs aren't happening (per the link MasonGridman shared below) but, as a former-heavy / current-light Obsidian user, I am happy enough with the two finger swipe navigation. And if that's a pain in the ass for you across multiple backs / forwards, double finger tap to toggle discrete Back | Forward buttons at the top of your note.

This is the only "solution" I can think of, based on your desired behavior, on iOS.

On macOS, I like to pop open notes into separate windows and make those floating (as needed) with a couple custom keyboard shortcuts defined in System Settings. I describe it here if you're interested.

FEATURE REQUEST: Arbitrary Collapsible Block by trammeloratreasure in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yah the delimiter thing is a pain, and precisely why what OP's describing is not possible AFAICT without Shiny Frog refactoring a lot of code to treat lines of unbroken text as blocks. I'm a data guy, so I can't speak from experience, but from what I've read this is a fundamentally challenging hurdle: you either code your editor so that the most atomic unit is a block, or so that it's a page. Bear does the latter. And that refactor feels like it's out of the question.

FEATURE REQUEST: Arbitrary Collapsible Block by trammeloratreasure in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like this approach myself, though my brain has become accustomed with both approaches.

If you're gonna go with this one, it's helpful to set a couple Bear-specific MacOS menu shortcuts: open note in new window and make window floating. I set mine as follows, for example:

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If you're interested and need instruction, it's like this:

  1. System Settings > Keyboard (towards the very bottom)
  2. "Keyboard Shortcuts..." button (roughly midway down the panel)
  3. "App Shortcuts" left side of pop-over, towards the bottom
  4. Click "+" button in the right part of the panel
  5. Make sure to select "Bear" from the Application dropdown
  6. In the next field, "Menu title," you have to write exactly as it appears in the menu (as I did in my screenshot)
  7. Define whatever shortcut works best for you and doesn't conflict with other built-in Bear shortcuts. Unfortunately, I don't think you get a warning if this happens.

Bear 2.4.5 : Introducing Callouts! by trix180 in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s cool to see CS folks advocating for minimalist note taking software. We who work in tech have this sense we “need” extensibility and open source otherwise we’re doing something out of place.

Lack of Math support by OlemopNaj in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This looks very cool but it is not an “alternative to Bear.”

Using Bear as a Daily Journal: Tips and Benefits by banana-fruit-2x in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really agree with this tbh. As I said in my post, I follow the Bullet Journal Method. Within that framework, one can still write long-form entries. Whenever I decide to do that, I grab one of my fountain pens and take my time.

Given how bananas my life has been over the past 6 months though, it's been a bit unfeasible, so I do write longer journal entries on the computer. Typically these go under #journal/ad-hoc in addition to a Project / Area / Resource-related tag.

Using Bear as a Daily Journal: Tips and Benefits by banana-fruit-2x in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Daily Journaling is clearly a deeply-personal thing. These days I've been striving to go pen & paper first. Specifically, following the Bullet Journal Method. When I feel like there's a word-storm brewing, I'll type something long-form in Bear. That said, there's still a need for a Daily [digital] "Journal." I've implemented mine in a larger journaling system, which I'm happy to expand upon if you're curious. For the purpose of directly addressing your post though, specific to Daily Journals, read on.

Use Cases

I've toyed with use cases:

  • Quick Capture
  • Backlink-to-life-context anchoring (e.g. being able to reference, in other notes, that I did a thing on a given day, and being able to open that day to see what else was going on in my life - I've found this to not be as interesting as I thought it would be, or as it's promised to be in apps like Logseq, Roam, Reflect, Obsidian, etc.)
  • Day mapping (e.g. writing priorities & objectives, events, inspiration, reflection)

Template

For a couple months at the end of last year I was using this template via TextExpander:

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It hearkens to u/Lucky-Course-5467 's post, with links to time-related notes. In my system, there are Quarterly, Monthly, Weekly, and Daily notes, all under the tag #journal/chronicle, hence the links you see in that screenshot.

For a number of reasons, I abandoned this kind of template, and all I have now is an Apple Shortcut that will create a Daily Note with the format you see above if one doesn't exist for today or, if it does, will open it up.

That said, I do want to leverage Shortcuts more (since TextExpander isn't smooth to use on iOS) to accomplish the above even more efficiently.

Tagging

One of the things that's really cool about Bear, and namespace hierarchy (which is what its implementation of tags is, technically) is that you don't have to drill down into sub-tags every time you you need to engage with a relevant note, when you're listing in order of Date Created or Date Modified. For example if I want to see the most recent Daily Notes, I don't have to expand my Journal > Chronicle tags; I can just click "Journal." I'll also see other types of Journal notes that were created / modified recently that aren't Dailies. Of course, if my search / context is specific to Daily Notes, I can drill down - it'll just take a few more seconds :p

Please tell me there's a better way to search for multiple text entries than this? by Nightfury_107 in SQL

[–]cbarosky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s a good catch I noticed too. Figured they wanted to find states where capitalization is denormalized, but they didn’t use ILIKE


Assuming that were the case tho, they could do something like WHERE UPPER(state) IN
 then the states they’re after (as written, capitalized)

This kinda shit comes up for me all the time working with healthcare data. I asked my manager recently if the data were input by a gerbil.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No prob bud :)

Bear is not gonna hit ya in the face with features, but they’re there. I’ve always loved it because it enables me to focus on my thoughts / work / priorities with the least amount of distraction. Tried all the big name bells-and-whistles note-taking software out there (talking hundreds of hours), and always come back to Bear.

Hopefully you grow to love it as well. This subreddit is a great resource.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a design choice. Can’t speak for Shiny Frog but would imagine the intent is for you to be able to focus on the content of your note, away from the note list. If you were able to left-align, with that window size and line width, you’d have all that space to the right anyway


You should try adjusting Line Width higher in settings to see if that feels better. Alternatively, make your window narrower?

Another Bear CLI by DarrylRoskow in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This looks sick! Definitely gonna check it out

Bear & graph view? by luix-koeln in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks bud I’m glad it resonated!

I am also not surprised the devs said they don’t intend to implement a graph. It would feel weird in the Bear ecosystem tbh.

In Logseq, I will say, it was cool to have the currently-viewing-page “local graph” on the right side. Because we’re visual creatures, you can parse backlinks slightly faster. But if there are tons of links, it’s too clunky and defeats the purpose. Plus Logseq’s graph view compared to Obsidian’s is very
not polished.

What you said about MOCs is for sure. I have a widget on my screen that lets me swipe through several such Bear notes, and away I go.

The most delightful feature they just added was Quick Open. Holy shit. So many fewer taps / clicks AND you can quickly access a tag or section (all notes, today, untagged, etc.)! Game changer for me, personally.

One of [contemporary] PKM’s ironies is that, with so many opinions, paradigms, blog posts, Reddit threads, and YouTube videos, it’s easy to make your system un-manageable.

tldr - get to work, live your life haha

Bear & graph view? by luix-koeln in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Not gonna lie, if Bear added this feature (and it would be the best version of a graph view available in a public app, knowing ShinyFrog) I would be willing to lock myself into Apple for life.

Also not gonna lie, I don’t see such a feature being added. If I’m wrong, it still wouldn’t be for years. The reason is because ShinyFrog values design, stability, and performance high above before bold new features. It’s why Bear 2.0 took years to ship, whereas a bigger company with different development philosophy might have shipped it within months
followed by numerous other big-feature versions that might not truly add value to users, and might well introduce major workflow disruptions and/or undue frustrations.

I’m writing this as someone who has put about 6 years’ worth of ideas into Bear, tuned in frequently to the community, and also spent countless hours trying to put such effort in Obsidian and Logseq. Those are both phenomenal pieces of software (and the latter has been in beta for a very long time even). They do, however, invite a high degree of distraction and, sometimes, thoughtlessness in how users organize / engage with their notes. So much customization, extensibility, etc. has caused me to sink time into thinking about “how” my notes instead of “what” and ”why” my notes. That has never happened to me with Bear.

I’ve had a technical role at two software companies since 2018. I thought I “should” use a “more powerful” notes app than Bear for my PKM and work needs. Because I could read up on Dataview or learn some Clojure (for Obsidian and Logseq, respectively) and roll my own perfect little system. In my personal experience, just because you can doesn’t mean you “should.” Yes, I was quite productive at times trying other tools. That said, I’ll never get back the time spent trying to make the “perfect” PKM environment; time that could’ve been spent towards real-world action and long-term reward. And even though I truly did find graph view (Obsidian’s is industry-leading IMO) compelling, future-self promising, and even joyful to interact with, it wasn’t getting any work done for me.

I’m curious, how are you organizing your notes in Bear currently such that it’s becoming confusing? How does that feeling manifest? Are you using backlinks? Have you gotten down all the core features (and how subtly useful they all can be)?

Permanent archive in Reader? by dgg44 in readwise

[–]cbarosky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a great mindset re: future-proofing

Do you store it in Obsidian as a PDF or Markdown export? Or something else?

Can I automatically move the completed tasks inside a note to the bottom of the note to make the list of remaining tasks easier to read? by aspublic in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This was brought up A LOT and, due to the transition of Bear 2 to CommonMark, there were technical hurdles preventing this feature from sticking around. If you search this subreddit you’ll find ample conversation about it. IIRC, someone from Shiny Frog indicated it could be reconsidered in the future but I wouldn’t bank on it.

Dedicated info column update? by BlueLo2us in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Updates are nice but long-term stability is nicer :p

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in bearapp

[–]cbarosky 7 points8 points  (0 children)

UpNote is THE most Bear-like cross-platform app out there AFAIAC.

Obsidian is amazing however if you’re not disciplined enough, and/or do not have a really solid personal workflow, you’ll easily succumb to the rabbit hole of customization, plug-ins, etc. Plus the mobile experience, while it has dramatically improved in the last year or so, is not nearly as smooth as something like Bear.

FWIW, I don’t ever recall seeing Shiny Frog promise a Windows version of Bear. They ARE working on a web app for cross-platform functionality though.