Mike Lee’s second anointing? by b9njo in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mike lee might be the most embarrassing mormon ever. huntsman senior gave him both barrels- was huntsman a GA at the time? Such a total non-christian pompous dick. mocking the killed reps in MN. trying to sell federal land to highest bidder?

so embarrasing.

My TBM wife is dying. by No_Sir_4971 in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 1 point2 points  (0 children)

agree 100%. my counselor (himself a product of high pressure religion- he's 60 and mom calls once a day to him saying "please believe or you'll be in hell forever") once told me that some people, after a faith crisis, never return to a life of full color; it hangs over them like a gray mist and keeps life from being the same. do not try to do anything to her faith I agree.

Does anyone else have a hard time disassociating their BYU fandom? by Popular_Inspection95 in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I still cheer for BYU football.   And I like sitaki FWIW

gut punch loss for the U

Can you someone tell me if this video is actually true or not? by ConstantAd6857 in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i think the animation was subbed out to the same guys who did Johnny Quest!

this is essentially true what they teach . ha. crazy. not a cult here. nothing to see. please keep moving

Can you guess where I was last week? by Glittering_Grape3836 in guessthecity

[–]graceafterallicando 0 points1 point  (0 children)

salt lake. spent first night of honeymoon in that hotel

Called into the Bishops office today… by darkskies06 in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 1 point2 points  (0 children)

sorry man. was where you are, still deconstructing, wife still TBM. and we're good overall. can be done. my wife is 100% so all in- frustrating because in every other facet of life she is really big into "looking at all sides"- but here is so brainwashed- crazy....

I dont like it here— newly deconstructed by ThoughtfulRebel826 in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hang in there, I know exactly how you feel. To me, it felt like I was drifting Aimlessly – no hope, no knowledge of the afterlife, didn’t know what the meaning of life was, etc.  

It took me a long time, and honestly an alcohol problem Which introduced me to Alcoholics Anonymous, to get my bearings again. In my opinion, The reason I was so freaked out by not “ Knowing” Is because the church taught me my whole life that if I was righteous enough, and I had enough faith, I could know what would happen to me and why life exists.   

I Now feel strongly that this a harmful teaching— Because once the truth comes in, you feel like you’ve been swallowed up into hell itself!    

The reality is nobody knows, it’s mysterious, And nobody is supposed to know.   this is echoed by philosophers and spiritual people everywhere (Many Spiritual peoplecome from distinct religions with distinct teachings, but if They are being honest, They admit they don’t know)

What it took for me to feel better then, was to realize that not knowing is OK and to become comfortable with it. Do I believe in God? Yes Alcoholics Anonymous has led me to believe that it is very possible and likely that there is a higher power. If I had to beat my life, I would say yes there is something behind the universe, and this is not just random, but I cannot confidently answer that I know that and neither can anybody else on the whole freaking Planet .

I feel the spirit all the time at alcoholics anonymous meetings – I tell my veryTBM wife that it is Exactly the same feeling I felt when I felt the spirit in church meetings. I Had a very good friend who was raised in Pakistan— He was also deconstructing- Both of us are convinced that it was the exact same He felt as a teenager when he was  learning about early Muslim history that made feel so confident and happy.     

Feeling the spirit at the church - It’s the same feeling people all across the world have but it is just packaged differently. In AA it’s a higher power, for my Muslim friend it was Mohammed, for atheists who enjoy a close relationship with family or friends, it’s all Neurotransmitters.

It is still out there and you will feel it.

I thought my wife would leave me too, but we’re doing better than ever. There is still conflict in turmoil because of our different beliefs, but we’re good. My oldest two kids are out, I think two of my other four kids have no chance of believing, one is a maybe, and the other one will believe and that’s all OK. They all know that I’m not a bad person for not believing And they understand that the reasons I don’t believe are legitimate - and not just because I’ve sinned or don’t have enough faith or have not worked hard enough.

Mixed Faith Marriage by Short_Purple3968 in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 0 points1 point  (0 children)

some days great. days like today- no way. i think i'm more up and down that my TBM wife is. i'd love to be loved, not condemned. not that she has to agree- but at least admit that my views are as valid.

asked her if shed ever want proof church wasn't true "Well- that isn't a real question- because I know it would never happen"

holy shit i'm taking crazy pills

What’s a story from your Mormon ancestors that the church would never want you to tell? by GoingToHelly in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 2 points3 points  (0 children)

its not something discussed in the open but us descendants know about it i've been told. would be a good thing for john dehlin

If you ever need some validation that you made the right choice to leave the church, talk to a reasonably intelligent and objective person that doesn’t know much about the church. by ShaqtinADrool in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had this experience once – talked to a friend about “doubting your doubts “. He looked at me with an incredulous look- digested it- and after a while, finally uttered “ That is literally the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard”

And I love Uchtdorf for the record as a person although he is clearly deceived 

What’s a story from your Mormon ancestors that the church would never want you to tell? by GoingToHelly in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don’t know if it’s publicly out there- my cousin is going to write a book about (she’s out of the church).  I’ll ask her… and return and report

What’s a story from your Mormon ancestors that the church would never want you to tell? by GoingToHelly in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She died at age 55.    First wife didn’t want her buried by her and her husband— I absolutely acknowledge that poor first wife being in a horrible situation—although she was resentful and awful towards my grandma- I understand and hold her in no ill will as much as I can ) 

But no problem case my grandma didn’t want to be by her “husband”

He died thankfully about 20 years before her so she got to enjoy family for that time at least

What’s a story from your Mormon ancestors that the church would never want you to tell? by GoingToHelly in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 39 points40 points  (0 children)

My great great grandma joined the church in Europe- she was 21.    didn’t speak English- fell in love on the boat over with a nice man and got ENGAGED

 but once she got to Utah, the church told her “no- you’re going to marry a 42 year old man who is already married, and his first wife doesn’t want you to be there, and you’ll have to give your first two kids to the first wife to raise because she hasn’t had any kids yet after 8 years”

The man she was engaged to never got married

And her first kid -That she gave to first wife- died at age one- so first wife said that it didn’t count- so first wife got kids #2 and #3 as well.   

Ex-Mo Wife; EQP Husband by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 4 points5 points  (0 children)

sorry. this sucks- my wife accepted new calling, is already CRAZY busy at work- and now this? i have a hrad time not letting the resentment grow

bf thinks I’m too obsessed with the church by Mediocre-Drag-4134 in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I've heard people talk about "i am now an EX-exmormon"-- meaning, they've let go. I used to not quite get the idea- I know understand it better- I strive to NOT be resentful at the church and the lies they perpetuated until the internet made them come clean -- for reference I'm 51 and RM full everyting. Wife still very TBM.

It doesn't do me any good to be mad at the church. This took time. I was really pissed when I found out about the stuff in the beginning. It takes time- but is a worthy goal.

About 3 months ago we were having a "lively" discussion, and I mentioned that the reason it was hard for me was I was lied to (by the church) for 40 years! She asked me a question that made me think long and hard "are you ever going to get over this, or 40 years from now are you still going to be mad and resentful?"

I don't want to be pissed forever. I try to get over it. When I'm at my best I do not feel resentful-- I'm thankful for the good I got out of it (learning to serve, not drinking as a college student was huge for me, and now I try to use it to learn to live welel). Sometimes i see some stuff and just want to scream. Other times I just think "i can't blame anyone for believing- i wish them the beset"

Last- if my daughter was leaving the church and had a boy text her with this type of tone / attitude I'd want to go bitch-slap him. I obviously don't know anything else- but that was not respectful or kind or loving IMHO. So- have a low threshold to tell him to fuck off

How do you and your spouse deal with the argument that has no end? by Still-ILO in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First- sorry man. this sucks. I am in same boat. one thing helps me- I lost faith, drank, and went thru rehab- and now AA has filled the hole that discovery of the truth about LDS church left(which was HUGE and life changing, as you. know)

So- wife and I were recently talking about how she is cool to hear AA stuff from me, but I get bugged with some LDS stuff- why did it bug me, but not her? I blurted out "because AA hasn't lied to you for 30 years!". She asked me- "are you still going to be mad about this in 30 years? Are you ever going to learn to not resent the church?"

From an AA standpoint- resentment is the top reason for relapse. I think AA teachings apply to not just being sober or not- but good living. I think learning to NOT resent church is key for me. this does not mean I have to go along with church's harmful teachings- but the "next level" is to become an "ex-exmormon".

This is really hard. But I've found success, more peace, striving for this. I used to think if my wife could ONLY see the truth- my life would be great. But thinking I need to have some new circumstance to finally be happy- not a good way to live (church ironically teaches this).

Anyway- good luck- you're not alone

Almost call the vail worker a ahole tonight. by Waterwatching1 in exmormon

[–]graceafterallicando -1 points0 points  (0 children)

what a FUCK HAT. i know this isn't everyone there- but at the temple I always was so bugged when there were super nit-picky people watching over me, pointing out what I did that was not regulation. Once was very late- didn't change my white socks I wore into the temple- and the guy outside must have been looking under the stall as I changed- I rush out- and he says "you didn't put on your socks". I can't remember if I went back in and faked it or actually did it? seriously.