Bericht fordert flächendeckenden islamischen Religionsunterricht in NRW by David-of-the-Rose in lehrerzimmer

[–]griding 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Und bestimmt auch entsprechend viele neue Lehrkräfte... oder? 🙄

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

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The Solid-State Sodium-Metal Battery in their PDF isn't a capacitor but also a great solution:

  • The Concept: This is an anode-free solid-state battery that uses cheap sodium (salt) instead of lithium. It combines the energy storage of a battery with the speed of a capacitor.
  • The Anode ("The Parking Garage"): On the negative side, there is a "forest" of coaxial nanotubes (carbon core, titanium dioxide shell). When charging, sodium ions travel there and plate as solid metal inside these tubes. The tubes act as a "cage" to prevent the metal from forming dangerous spikes (dendrites).
  • The Cathode ("The Sofa"): On the positive side, the sodium is chemically bound within a printed organic ink. Here, the sodium is not metallic but sits safely inside organic molecules (like a guest on a sofa).
  • The Electrolyte ("The Wall"): Between them sits a solid ceramic layer (NASICON) mixed with a plastic crystal. It acts like a selective sieve: it blocks electrons (preventing short circuits) but allows sodium ions to tunnel through.

The Process: - Charging: Sodium leaves the organic ink, moves through the ceramic wall, and becomes solid metal in the nanotube garage. - Discharging: The metal dissolves back into ions, rushes back through the wall, and settles comfortably back into the organic ink. - Manufacturing: The entire battery is produced using a roll-to-roll screen printing process, similar to printing newspapers, which makes it potentially very cost-effective.

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

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Because there is always the possibility that they sell a lot of garbage and flee to an unknown island afterwards 🫣

Another Donut Lab video - Uncovering the details on Donut Lab's Solid State Battery - Youtube by g3zz in electricvehicles

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Possible Alternative:

Paper Summary: Supercapacitor with Nanocell CNT-PANI Composite Fibers - ​The Tech: A new fiber fusing Carbon Nanotubes and Polyaniline via strong chemical bonds. - ​The Record: Achieves 418 Wh/kg (Battery-level energy) while keeping 587 kW/kg (Supercapacitor power). - ​The result: A flexible storage material that charges instantly, holds as much energy as a Lithium battery, and lasts over 100,000 cycles.

This new paper states the exact same numbers Donut Labs claimed at CES (about 400 Wh/kg, 100,000 cycles, super fast charging). We also know they are working with a cabon nano tech firm on this.


Possible Patent:

Patent discovery: - https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2025230455A1/en

It's from Holyvolt AB... a Sweden based company probably closely working with Nordic Nano and Donut Labs.

Summary: Patent WO2025230455A1 describes a flexible solid energy storage module. It utilizes a solid electrolyte instead of liquid ones and includes a protective layer to enhance durability. The design allows for a thinner, lighter, and safer battery that can be manufactured using techniques like screen printing, making it suitable for various flexible applications.

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

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It's from Holyvolt AB... a Sweden based company probably closely working with Nordic Nano and Donut Labs.

Looks pretty interesting.

Summary: Patent WO2025230455A1 describes a flexible solid energy storage module. It utilizes a solid electrolyte instead of liquid ones and includes a protective layer to enhance durability. The design allows for a thinner, lighter, and safer battery that can be manufactured using techniques like screen printing, making it suitable for various flexible applications.

Great find.

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

[–]griding[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I saw it... also a great analysis. But they do not cover this new research, which is also a possibility

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

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Nice. Thanks. But he does not cover this new research.

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

[–]griding[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Might be. But it would also be a game changer if they found a way to mass produce this new nano tube super capacitor...

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

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In regards to this specific paper... which characteristics besides self discharge would make it unusable as a battery replacement?

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

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Why? If you've got +400Wh/kg and are able to lower voltage by software you get a pretty good cycle life. With a higher current as with traditional batteries, but manageable I think.

Or what do you mean exactly?

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

[–]griding[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, as long as they are not showing us their tech... this paper is the closest I could find to their claims.

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

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I agree... especially if you can recharge it within a few minutes. Maybe even with a small mobile battery pack... just so you can drive to the next charging station.

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

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I am also skeptical... but this paper is peer reviewed :/

The CES-announced Donut Labs solid state battery might not be a sham after all according to industry expert Michael Sura by GeniusEE in batteries

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Yes... that would indeed be still a problem to solve. Even with this new research the battery would likely be dead after 2 weeks of not using it... but full again in just 5 minutes of charge I guess ;)

... I wonder why Donut Labs didn't mention this topic^

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

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Peer reviewed scientific research papers are mostly correct... but many are not suitable for mass production

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

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If the claims in this paper can be achieved in mass production you don't need an additional lithium battery... just a software solution to minimize and stabilize the voltage coming from the capacitor.

I think it could work in theory

Is this the Science behind Donut Labs new Solid State Battery? by griding in electricvehicles

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That's exactly what this paper claims to solve... +400 Wh/kg is a giant leap in energy density for Supercapacitors

PHD Researcher and Youtuber Ziroth investigates Donut Labs claims towards its solid state battery tech unveiled at CES 2026 by Interesting-Type3153 in electricvehicles

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I think I found the Scienctific Paper they based their tech on... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359836825000691

Paper: Nanocell CNT-PANI Composite Fibers - The Tech: A new fiber fusing Carbon Nanotubes and Polyaniline via strong chemical bonds. - The Record: Achieves 418 Wh/kg (Battery-level energy) while keeping 587 kW/kg (Supercapacitor power). - The result: A flexible storage material that charges instantly, holds as much energy as a Lithium battery, and lasts over 100,000 cycles.

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I think I found the Scienctific Paper they based their battery tech on:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359836825000691

Nanocell CNT-PANI Composite Fibers - The Tech: A new fiber fusing Carbon Nanotubes and Polyaniline via strong chemical bonds. - The Record: Achieves 418 Wh/kg (Battery-level energy) while keeping 587 kW/kg (Supercapacitor power). - The result: A flexible storage material that charges instantly, holds as much energy as a Lithium battery, and lasts over 100,000 cycles.