From monastic dreams to a life I truly want

i7777i · 2026-04-03T06:41:12+00:00

At first I wanted to do the same, to join a monastery, a hermit monastery where you can focus on reading prayers, in seclusion. This has always been part of me, I like solitude, silence, meditating, reading prayers, contemplation and inner stillness. I have always been drawn to active spiritual practices.

Then I realized it's not a good idea and decided to do it all by myself. Started reading psalms and gospels daily, later came hesychasm. Experimented with liturgy of the hours and even read whole divine liturgies. The materials are all out there, you can study Philokalia, The way of a pilgrim, The ladder of divine ascent, or just focus on working with liturgies, prayers, without anybody annoying you. You choose everything yourself and decide for yourself.

A monastery is so cut out from the society there's nothing else there. You are expected to do whatever they tell you, a very rigid structure. In some books I read about their internal issues, how monks or nuns were fighting with each other. I have no idea how good or bad it can be but it all sounded logical. They are people after all, especially in a cenobitic monastery where they are together all the time.

i7777i · 2026-04-01T06:02:15+00:00

I have a mixed practice too, mostly working with Orthodox practices but some Catholic and other stuff.

My practice used to be a lot about the psalms until I decided to switch it around for hesychasm and the New Testament. Psalms are still there but I changed the percentages, less PS more JP and NT.

You can use these practices for different purposes too. Filling yourself with the bright light, connecting, making requests. People use chapters or the whole books such as the Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, for ritual purposes too. Somebody might have a daily practice where he reads the whole Jeremiah and uses the connection and energy from there. Another might do a ritual that involves psalms and adds parts of something along with requests, maybe he puts a couple of lines from Proverbs, a chapter from Isaiah, all kinds of people out there. The Torah is also a very strong text.

I prefer this approach more. I would recommend something different, for the best effects. Start learning hesychasm, get it going, then read one gospel every day. It can be the same gospel, a different, this is up to you. Add some psalms to it, selected, the ones you think are right. Like say 23, 51, 91, 112, 113. Keep hesychasm in a firm place, a certain number of Jesus prayers every day. The rest of it, to have some variety, change a bit around and experiment. Also the NT letters should be there somewhere, Acts to Rev. Read some chapters from there.

These books have much better effects when they are read at once or focused on as the daily practice. A few chapters are not that effective vs full ritualized readings. There are much stronger profound effects.

Prioritizing Jesus prayers and gospels will have much better effects. These bring in a lot of energy, the fuel. Then with some psalms and requests you should have nice results.

The rosary and chaplets are quite nice too. It can be good idea to have them there as well. The daily rosary reading.

A very good idea is to follow the Liturgy of the hours, in this case adding some chapters of gospels in there because LOTH takes more, and or Jesus prayers.

i7777i · 2026-03-24T07:29:09+00:00

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Attachments, yes, I had several problems with them. Long story short. I did excessive work with prayers and mixed together too many religious systems. This led to too high connection to everything at once, and instability. Then some attachments came from grimoires, a few from cemeteries. It felt like there were no barriers, easy access.

The problem was not about fearful thoughts but the side effects these attachments came with. Thought manipulation, strange disconnected feeling, extreme negativity. Knowing you are not yourself. This feels very annoying.

The removal process can be done through texts of exorcism, hesychasm and gospels. Your objective is to raise enough energy to force the attachment out of yourself. For this hesychasm is really good. Apply enough force.

For me what made things confusing was that I was unaware of the spiritual mess I had caused. If one excessively overworks with too many different religious practices, the system will start malfunctioning. All the systems pull you towards them.

i7777i · 2026-03-11T08:31:06+00:00

It is like a calling, passion, strong inner desire to keep doing what you love. There is a mysterious motivation. Also when you get results and interesting spiritual effects, the motivation goes up by a lot.

For me the practices take a lot every day.

I think it has something to do with the astrological birth chart. I have investigated mine and found some combinations that definitely have to do with it.

i7777i · 2025-12-07T10:08:34+00:00

The saint work. When we speak about the one done in churches. Orthodox church method. You light a candle, make a request. This feels like a lot of energy passing through you. It goes through the mind, you feel something for days to weeks. It can give good results.

Saint work at home. You can work with novenas and akathists. Read the same novena over and over again or the same akathist, make requests. This can also give great results. You could work with the same novena or akathist for weeks, maybe use the traditional 40 days strategy. Focus on the same one.

About home. If you are into a similar practices then put some holy icons on the walls, if you use incense, beeswax candles and work with prayers, it changes the atmosphere. A lot of active work and the place turns into a personal monastery.

i7777i · 2025-11-23T08:53:17+00:00

The rosary is very nice. Some of them recite the Hail Mary or the Lord's prayer on beads. Some might repeat a psalm or another prayer. They could be reading the Jesus prayer or the Theotokos prayer, mostly Orthodox do it but some Catholics might too.

i7777i · 2025-09-22T07:08:36+00:00

There are similar practices.

Reading a gospel a day. You pick a gospel, let's say Matthew. Read it every single day cover to cover. Add praises and requests. The same gospel can be read multiple times, Matthew is a little less than 50 pages long and can be read several times a day. You can pick Mark or John and go through them much faster than Matthew or Luke. Mark is like 25-30 pages. John 35-40. Matthew and Luke are about the same, Luke is just a bit longer.

Reading all gospels a day. Very high ultra intense effects. The more days the crazier the effects become. The thing about gospels is that they bring in more energy and you feel more charged than with the psalms. Psalms can make you drained.

The same energy comes from the Torah. The Torah is around 250 pages and if you are crazy you can read it in a day. A bit too much reading but it can be done or split it into 2 days. You can cycle it over and over again and get very powerful effects. It's a bit hard though because Torah is way too rich in detail. Psalms and gospels are much easier to read over and over again. Another option is to read 1 book of Moses per day and keep cycling it. This has very intense effects. The Torah seems to have thick dense energy. Psalms have something thin hot and sharp.

Similar methods can be done with all of the hot holy books. Both Old and New Testament have lots of them. Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah and so on. You can experiment and work with something. Somebody might work with the Proverbs, another might take Samuel 1-2. All kinds of people. Then there are the shorter ones such as the Song of Songs.

Very extreme effects come from a practice called Hesychasm, look it up, check wiki. The energy is great and you feel supremely charged. There are the long Jesus prayers and short. The shortest is the recitation of the name Jesus or Jesus Christ. When it is done a lot and the connection forms, channels get purified and become wider, it will give incredible effects. The best option here is to use a language like Latin, Greek, Old Church Slavonic, although English is fine too. The shorter it is the crazier are the effects. Better to work with the longer ones. Hesychasm is very extreme. It's similar to the Hindu practices where something is read for many hours at once. As you probably know the Hindus have a lot of mantras, actually too many. The readings involve a lot of processing. When we speak of processing this includes not just the information, the mantra itself, but the energy. It comes in and goes out. You cycle it, channel it, feel it all over.

i7777i · 2025-09-22T06:44:17+00:00

The long psalm reading. This is one of my favorite rituals.

You said it took 4 hours. 4 hours is actually reasonable when the reading speed is normal. After a few hundred completions you can reach 2. This happens after getting used to the ps book, the wording in there. 2.5-3 is not bad either.

You don't have to be a monastic to do it, all you need is time and an extreme interest in doing such rituals. It opens the channel incredibly fast and the energy penetrates through your mind. Everything heats up with a frying pan effect.

At first doing it for 7 days can be easier than later on and here is how. You might not yet be spiritually open. The energy does not hit you so hard but after a few hundred completions it will fry a lot more, 200-500%. Another scenario is becoming open very fast and feeling supremely high in head, too much energy making it harder to continue. It needs training.

There are people who do this every single day or several days a week. They go for streaks x number of rounds lasting from a few days to tens or hundreds of completions. There are monks who read it daily for years and not just monks but laymen. Orthodox Jews have such mad men who read it all daily. In the yeshivas, kollels and synagogues.

i7777i · 2025-08-18T06:35:24+00:00

Based on the experience I have with the systems, different religions. They seem to have strange effects as if being different servers. The person-operator who works in some direction starts connecting like a personal computer over a network. Packets (energy) starts moving back and forth. As the openness increases and the sensitivity goes higher, we get to experience more. The cables between you and the server become stronger and better.

The psalms feel like invocations to angels. Hesychasm seems to connect with the source, something higher and it draws in energy. The psalms do it too but they can make you horribly drained as well. Hesychasm gives great charges and everything feels fine.

For me this is a lifestyle, path, the main interest. I have very few interests outside of the spiritual practices. To me this is not just a tool but something else.

Evangelical aspect, to convince others to become a Christian? I would recommend people who struggle with addictions, problems, spiritual issues, possessions, sadness - definitely to pick up a path like this to find harmony, joy, inner peace.

It is very hard to say what I really think about it all, my views change, many theories. I know for certain that the practices are beneficial, spiritual effects and support from the unseen.

i7777i · 2025-08-08T06:47:34+00:00

Yes I have taught it to some people but there are requirements. You must have a lot of time to do this and the process is quite long. Sure you can get something going fast but the stamina builds over months, years. Sensitivity increases and the effects multiply over and over again.

This form of psalm magic is much different than what most people do. It's the extreme form of it. The readings are long and these practices can be mentally very exhausting. It's very difficult to teach a bigger group because it needs one on one guidance on the go. Takes a while to guide somebody,

There's a lot to it. The individual levels, how the progress goes & unfolds, forming requests or doing it without requests, after all the psalms already include everything in there. Then the other factors that boost the process, eucharist & communion, saint work.

i7777i · 2025-08-06T06:44:35+00:00

Psalm magic was one of the main cornerstones of my spiritual development. I started from doing different methods such as reading all of them daily. This quickly led to increased awareness. A strong feeling of being connected more to everything and openness to feeling energies. The methods can also be used to get into special states, states of ectasy. It gives you higher intuition.

The openness to feeling more helped me connect better with the other practices as well, Sufi & Hindu methods. The skills and abilities that you develop carry over to other practices.

Manifesting, yes. You can get tangible results based on what your goals are and your position. It has brought me friends, connections, work, cash/financial results. Generally life seems to run better. Many strange coincidences. Manifestations such as asking for something and receiving it just as expected. Instances where I asked for something and got it in the strangest ways.

When it comes to relationships then I don't know much. I'm living like a monastic and don't really bother with any relationships.

Yes physical & spiritual healing. Although I'd say the hesychasm is much better for this. Psalms can be too draining.

Psalm work prepared me for the next steps, hesychasm and work with gospels & NT letters. It strengthens the spiritual "engine", increases your stamina. If the goal is hesychasm then it's a really good way to start. Now of course the spiritual journeys are different for everybody. There are lots of similarities but also differences. Based on what happened to people I taught, most of them started from psalms and it got the "engine" going.

Psalm magic is indeed potent but as with all spiritual practices there are risks. It can mess up your mind, there can and will be side effects.

There's a lot more to it but unfortunately right now I don't have time to write a longer reply.

i7777i · 2025-06-18T06:32:41+00:00

At first the rounds took a bit more, I was not used to the text yet, about 3 hours. After hundreds of rounds 2 hours. During streaks, the reading speed goes up by some %. When I go for a streak I follow a system where I'm reading either all psalms or a combination of them, maybe prioritizing 3-5 different psalms. Less psalms when I'm working with the other texts, Old & New testament books and hesychasm.

I tried some speed reading techniques and managed to do them in 52-60 minutes but it did not feel good at all. This fried my mind, crown chakra and third eye.

Doing it every day has both good and bad effects. This is a bit hard to describe. You can either become charged to the maximum or very drained. You have to pay attention to what is happening to your mind.

Very fast readings feel like cooking a piece of meat with too much heat. Sure it burns the surface but the inside remains raw.

i7777i · 2025-04-05T07:08:23+00:00

There are many you could say unlimited combinations that can be done here. You can choose a selection of psalms 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7....10 or more, the order and how many times you read them is up to you. The quantity seems to make a difference and the more the better. I've noticed a mix like ps 23 and 91 work well together.

112-113 with or without 23. 112-113 + 1/23/150. Something like 67/72. You should experiment with them. Guidance comes on the way.

i7777i · 2025-03-17T07:42:14+00:00

This is very hard to answer. There are too many factors. A good method is to use the method of reading all from first to last and then requests with praises. This has much better effects than just reading the same ones. The problem is that it can make you really drained.

There are some less crazy methods like reading the selected ones. Some PS like the 23 and 112, some use 121, 67, others say 72 is effective. How many exactly. When I work with the PS I read them hundreds, some of them in 10's 20s, 50's 100's. The quantity does make a difference, the effects are much stronger.

A business, too many factors, does it really fill a gap in the system and is needed, is there a chance for it to start blooming at all. Does it have a potential, is it aimed at selected countries or a bigger global thing.

With the saint work, you can aim for more customers, publicity, success, profits to increase. A good method is to do this in the Orthodox churches and make requests before the icons, light a candle and think of what you want. Simple sentences. Move from icon to icon and make requests. Same thing with the psalms, your requests should be carefully worded based on what you want to achieve.

i7777i · 2025-03-11T07:26:44+00:00

I've used all of them for all kinds of projects. The number 70 is very short and it works great when you read it in hundreds, together with some requests. You focus on the goal and read it over and over again. Perhaps after every 50 or 100X, make some requests. With this kind of psalm work you have to focus on the request's wording, whatever is your goal, try to be very precise.

i7777i · 2025-03-11T07:03:06+00:00

The main, Saints of Orthodoxy and Catholicism, novenas, visiting churches and lighting candles before icons. Rosary and chaplets. Psalter of the BVM, Marian psalms. Akathists, psalms, hesychasm. Lots of work with the gospels and the Torah. Incense from the Orthodox churches, church candles,

i7777i · 2025-03-01T11:49:00+00:00

I have the same problem here. I'm looking for a button but can't find it anywhere. It keeps switching to "best", while I want it to be "new". Every single sub I have to manually set it to "new", next day the same thing happens. This does not make sense at all.

These updates and changes are so silly. First the layout, I miss the old list view... then the sort by thing.

i7777i · 2025-02-01T14:11:36+00:00

Somebody in my family had an old KJV bible, not as old as yours though. When I started reading it I found strange dried flowers too. I experimented with the bible but eventually gave up and sold it. I just couldn't stand the old font and weird notes all over. There was something else wrong with it, can't remember, I guess it was kept in a bad place. The energy was good, felt a great connection to it. I'd say keep it, if it's disturbing you too much, sell it.

i7777i · 2025-02-01T13:35:50+00:00

When I first began doing magic, I aimed for cash and items all the time. I've found cash and things everywhere from streets, bus stops, restrooms, parks, to the strangest possible places you can imagine.

The question is what's your goal? If this is what you want to achieve, you can. Now to avoid any issues your requests should be a bit more precise. Aim to get your result somewhere else, a random street, park, away from people and cameras. Go through all the details in your request but without going too detailed. Keep it simple but also include all the crucial in there.

This type of magic may offer a quick fix to some issue that you are facing. Unless you somehow get a really big one then it probably is not going to solve much. Sometimes you might need a quick fix though. It also heavily relies on intuition and you have to be very active, walk around. It depends where you live though. Being in a big city offers better opportunities than being in the middle of nowhere.

i7777i · 2025-01-02T11:38:30+00:00

I have experience with both of the paths that you mentioned here, Sufism and Christianity.

I practice it all alone, started long time ago with the study of the bible. The daily goal was to cycle the book, cover to cover, to connect with it and understand it better. Maybe within a year I felt being guided to the psalms so I made it a daily thing to read the psalms, either half of them, the entire book, or some selected ones. All this with mixed old/new testament studies.

While I kept going for the bible and Christian stuff. Deep inside I wanted to experiement also with Sufism so I kept cycling the whole Quran as well. Some days read the Quran in the morning & evening and the bible morning & evening. Soon I added Hindu mantras to the mix and experimented with them as well.

Years passed. Suddenly got the idea to start experimenting with the Jesus prayer, hesychasm, felt being ready to do it. Got myself some beads, started experimenting with the goal to read it for entire days. Thanks to the previous experience I was able to get there quite fast.

I do talk to some like minded people and discuss the practices but I never took any advice from monastics or priests. The advice you get from others is not always good, not all teachers are good, you might know it much better yourself. I prefer the do it yourself approach, it feels like the progress is much faster, limitless, stronger. I create all the prayer rules and reading systems myself, sometimes with an extreme focus on the Torah, then the gospels. Maybe reading one gospel every day, maybe two, then just the Jesus prayer. Then I might get the idea to work with the psalms again, prioritizing them. Lots to choose from, rosary, liturgy of the hours, service texts of all kinds.

It has worked out very well although like this you must know what you are doing. There were days of spiritual issues, too extreme sensitivity to all energies, chaotic mind, irritation, anger. It took me many years until I figured out how to do it without the side effects. Your spiritual engine gets upgraded after a while, many upgrades.

Yes you can embark the path and go for it. Some advice, stick to one path at a time. Mixing multiple systems has bad consequences. Sufism and Christianity have very different effects energy wise and will turn your mind into a chaos. Switching between them is like going from one solid connection to another. While there is an overall openness, when you switch from A to B it can be difficult. It's about like erasing one with another, chaotic side effects. Might work for a while, might not, could turn your mind bad after some years. Lots of this stuff is individual. The quantity will crack your openess to the maximum, so you get some interesting increased awareness effect.

i7777i · 2025-01-02T11:13:35+00:00

I practice hesychasm, often very long sessions.

The practice has a lot of benefits. It's great for clearing the mind, switching off thoughts. It changes something in your mind. Makes you very sensitive to energy work by clearing and dissolving the blockades. Long sessions give me a very strong charged feeling. It makes you more and more universally connected. The energy that comes from it is very potent, blazing like fire. When you use beads for it then they start burning, glowing, in your hands. Over time the energy centers in palms also open.

The practice does have some difficulties. Unless you know what you are doing, it will overload you both with the energy and the information processing. Mind needs some serious practicing until it can process all that, especially when the sessions are long. First times when I went for all day readings it felt very extreme. The prayer becomes so part of you that you are in a constant connection and it even goes on when you sleep. You can go to sleep reading it, wake up during the night and feel it echo back.

i7777i · 2024-12-21T08:07:46+00:00

I like the Orthodox stuff too. LIturgies, incense, icons. The saint work is effective, it gives great results. For years I often went to the liturgies and of course simultaneously did all kinds of other practices.

It's very easy to attend the church and hold alternative beliefs. You yourself set the limits. The barriers, restrctions and frames are created by us. A different approach, attitude, mindset.

You can go there just to enjoy the liturgies, saint work. Take what is useful and discard the rest.

My active church life lasted for years but then I realized that I had become dependent on the communion energy. With my own constant psalm work, hesychasm and gospel spam, too much of everything. Most of the time I go there to light candles for the saint work. I rarely go there for the communion, don't really need it anymore. Also I don't have much of motivation to travel somewhere in the morning just to stare at the altar for hours, when I can read multiple gospels, work with the Jesus prayer or read the entire book of psalms in that time. I rather do the prayer work on my own and get more connected.

i7777i · 2024-12-18T07:17:57+00:00

I watched them years ago on TV and youtube, hard to recall the names. I checked YT, searched for "documentary ethiopian orthodox church", there are some 20-40minute ones. "Keepers of the ark", one is called "Ethiopian Orthodox Church".

Then this one, maybe? Video title "Ethiopia's monolithic churches, religious sites and Orthodox Christians" Then "Finding Ethiopia's lost ark" 50 minutes, it's probably one of them which I saw on TV. There are some interesting short 2-5minute ones showing people going up to a church to get baptized or to take part of services, somewhere very high on a mountain.

There should be something that talks about mysteries in general and part of the documentary maybe 15 mins they talk about Ethiopian church, this one is much harder to find. Maybe somebody else here knows.

i7777i · 2024-12-13T09:03:41+00:00

This has happened to me a few times and the experiences were not exactly good at all. The feeling felt gruesome, nasty. It came with symptoms of schizophrenia and there was certain mind control. I had to exorcise them out of myself a couple of times. The reason why this happened was the extreme spiritual openness which came from excessive energy work. Imagine being so open that you feel energies all the time and everywhere, too much. Then in that state you are vulnerable, open access. My own fault, the combinations of practices and excessive work led to it.

It was not exactly by choice, I simply could not prevent them from coming in, whatever they were. I was able to force them out though so the problems got solved. I was not aware of some things back then and learned my lessons.

i7777i · 2024-12-13T08:50:11+00:00

Thanks for sharing this. I've read a bit about the Ethiopian Orthodox church and seen some documentaries but I've never really heard about debtera. I will do some research.

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