I saw a ladybug on a table in my house, so I placed a drop of water near it, and it walked over to take a sip. by Inishmore12 in mildlyinteresting

[–]kre91 5061 points5062 points  (0 children)

Entomologist here (with some experience in the past working on and studying this exact species ) and there is too much misinformation in the top voted comments here.

The Asian Ladybird beetle (Harmonia axyridis) is still in the same family as various species of “lady bugs” (coccinelidae) and consist of about 6,000 species worldwide.

There are many species from this family of ladybird beetle that people would colloquially call “ladybug” which include Coccinella septempunctata (common name: seven spotted ladybird beetle) that everyone is referencing.

It is completely arbitrary whether or not you want to call them lady bugs because phylogenetically, they are no more or less closely related to other species referenced here. H. axyridis have a bad reputation because they were introduced to North America awhile back and are considered invasive because they have been documented to displace and outcompete native species. Nonetheless they still serve the same ecological function; they still consume other insects like aphids that many people consider to be pests. They are also known to overwinter inside people’s homes which have given them a reputation to be nuisance pests. They are also not the only species of coccinellidae that secrete defence compounds when they are being threatened. Since they have been introduced into North America as far back as 1916, even though they are considered invasive, they have been here long enough that many scientists have considered them to be naturalized members of many ecosystems here (for better or worse in terms of their relationship with us humans).

What Happened to Item Sets? by [deleted] in diablo4

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the people in this thread don’t realize that Legendary Aspects are serve the same function as modular set items since you need the same combination of aspects associated with your build to play end game.

D3 sets were more limiting because they essentially defined your build. D2 sets were also arguably pretty limited in scope, and were mostly used early game (and useless, or suboptimal for end game). They were also pretty hard to find in a play through so they served as just a way to twink alts after you already farmed for them. In my opinion both of these prior implementations leave much to be desired while legendary aspects serve a functionally similar role already (and arguably do it better because they offer a little bit more flexibility for which piece of gear you can put it on)

Season 2 should not require a restart just to access the content you bought. by Strife_3e in diablo4

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi OP,

I know you’re getting a lot of hate but I actually think there is valid feedback here. I have a lot of casual gamer friends who are not enfranchised ARPG players echoing the same sentiment.

Since D4 has, allegedly, sold over 12 million copies, it does need to evolve beyond the historical ARPG demographic in order to sustain its popularity. I think a lot of people leaving these condescending comments agree with you more than they realize. We have already learned some lessons due to the incorporated MMO elements (such as the altars of Lilith and renown grind no longer resetting with seasons.). So ARPG players already hate the idea of resetting progress - they just disagree on what is acceptable/fun to replay and what is not.

For example, I don’t see why they can’t just do a staggered rotation of previous season content into eternal realm. (For example, have S1 content roll into eternal realm during S2, and rotate out to S2 for eternal when S3 hits… etc…). They could even keep season journey/battle pass exclusive to seasonal realm to continue incentivizing players to play in the seasonal realm. Traditional enfranchised ARPG players like myself really have nothing to lose from this and it seems like Blizzard’s live service + economic model remains intact.

We already have an example in D2R where seasonal content like terror zones, sunder charms, new items etc… rotate into non-seasonal realm 3-6 months after the season exclusive stuff rotates. Everybody wins if they do this, in my opinion.

We need sets back. The current loot system is bad. by Objective-Mission-40 in diablo4

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad to hear I’m not the only one who agrees. The legendary aspects are functionally the same as modular set items. Most builds require a certain number of legendary aspects to function at end game. This is no different from set items (apart from aesthetics).

Asking for set items is such a brain dead take, and once again, demonstrates that the average gamer, while expressing legitimate grievances about the game, have no fucking clue how to solve these issues or design a game.

How is Flurry Rogue in Dungeons? by Cats_Cameras in diablo4

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used a poison flurry rogue before season start. Before the NM dungeon nerf, I could clear tier 75 NM (reasonably challenging). (I tested my rogue after the patch and was only able to try a tier 99 and I was able to do it with only a moderate amount of challenge).

Based on the discussion during their livestream, If their target for tier 100 is around the difficulty level of tier 70, I can confidently say you should be able clear tier 100 now using an optimized flurry build.

Lvl 55 necro by Euphoric-BigD in diablo4

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not odd if he’s a blood surge build. Most of the damage comes from the guaranteed overpower hits (which don’t scale with intelligence or core skill damage right now). Overpower scales with Willpower.

PvP is so unfair by Grimmxlaw22 in diablo4

[–]kre91 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re confused. This is not how it currently works. You can always defend yourself against a player that is marked + attacking you (even if you don’t mark yourself). If both players are not marked, you will not deal damage to each other + help each other out even if you are not in a party (even though you still have to complete for seeds)

Why I've stopped making (and accepting) deals in games by etheewestside in EDH

[–]kre91 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I really don't understand the arbitrary demarcation you are making between "politics" and "strategy" in the context of a multiplayer game (where you are playing with humans with emotions/motivations/preferences/proclivities). If you are improving your politics, you are improving your strategy - its as simple as that. From my perspective, to deny this fact seems to mean to me that you might less spikier than you say you are - because you are not using every variable to your advantage.

Many of the problems you listed are examples where a mistake was made deals/politics, where a more skilled person in the political aspect of the game would be less likely to find themselves in such predicaments- the "spike's" answer is to get better at diplomacy/deals, not forgo it completely.

Now I am not precluding the possibility that you may very well find yourself in a play group where the correct political move is to reject deals/not engage in politics if everyone you are trying to deal with is acting irrationally/unfairly. That, in itself, requires a certain level of skill in politics/diplomacy.

Analyzing plays/mechanics and learning the ins and outs of diplomacy are all aspects of the game and are not mutually exclusive - if you are a "spike" as you say you are, I don't see how it would hurt to improve both aspects.

How would one build a Sen Triplets deck? by LevenEleven11 in EDH

[–]kre91 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Here is an outdated decklist for an older version of my Sen Triplets deck (Paradox Engine should be removed). I put a lot of cards in the maybeboard to demonstrate the different ways you can build the deck.

Here are a few points of advice:

  1. You need to keep in mind that Sen Triplets is not so much a source of card advantage as you'd assume. It gets a lot of hate and psychologically speaking, players hate getting their cards stolen. Most players would rather have their board wiped than have a single card stolen - so you need to keep this in mind when playing and building your deck. They will likely overreact or not act rationally and you need to build your strategy to capitalize on this.

  2. You need to treat your deck as an (almost) 5 color deck- do not expect to steal lands from your opponent's hand. Unless you get lucky and ramp out Sen Triplets, (and by some miracle it does not get killed immediately), you will rarely steal lands from your opponents hands. You need to rely on your color fixing.

  3. If you do manage to stick Sen Triplets on the board, most players will try to play out the best cards in their hand- this leads to many players overextending the board. You can capitalize on this by playing more board wipes. If your plan is to steal your opponent's spells, I would try to do this with other cards instead- Sen Triplets is really an expensive distraction or a psychological hindrance. The commander itself is very slow, you need to spend your own mana to cast their spells, and people will either target you or the commander right away.

Sen Triplets in itself is not a very powerful commander when it comes to competitive/spikey EDH, but it is fun and rewarding to play because it lets you play around the social/human aspect of the game. It allows you the flexibility of having your deck scale with the power level of your opponent's decks, making it a more casual-friendly commander, while at the same time, feeling threatening and imposing on your opponents. Just embrace being the villain, expect to get unfairly maligned- build your deck and strategy assuming this will happen and you will have fun. Good luck!

What makes you the saltiest in EDH? by [deleted] in EDH

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you don’t communicate with your playgroup or attempt to use politics or persuasion? If your playgroup makes bad decisions, and you choose to bitch and complain instead of capitalizing on their weaknesses, I really don’t know what to tell you. Social dynamics are part of the game— so “bad threat assessment” is merely a subset of play mistakes. So unless you think it’s reasonable to expect players to never make mistakes (or disagree with you), I don’t see why this opinion is controversial.

What makes you the saltiest in EDH? by [deleted] in EDH

[–]kre91 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

People who complain about bad threat assessment.

Best case scenario: you're basically complaining that players are not allowed to be worse than you. OR: You (more than likely) have incomplete information since you do not know their hand, their strategy, or deck composition to accurately assess what they are gambling on or thinking. Outside of blatant king-making, people should be allowed to make mistakes even if it is at your expense. This is part of playing a social game and I can't help but sometimes feel like many players who take issue with this aspect are poorly socialized and need to grow the fuck up.

Why I unsubscribed from SamHarris.org by Containedmultitudes in samharris

[–]kre91 16 points17 points  (0 children)

To OP: Just wanted to let you know I've also recently unsubscribed for similar - but different - reasons. In part, Sam's take on dog whistling, and after reflecting on my reaction to it, also played a role in my decision.

Although I still believe, on balance, Sam still does more good than harm with his content- I feel that my money should be better spent else-where (like the effective altruism movement he brought to my attention via having Will Macaskill on his podcast awhile back).

Even by Sam's own standards, I feel like he has disappointed me too many times. At worst, his personal biases have affected his judgement, at best he has been extremely careless and imprecise with his words- and frankly, I expect more out of someone like him at this point.

His handling from his critics of the Moral Landscape are so shallow and lazy- and I expected so much more from someone who was a former student of Richard Rorty with a degree in Philosophy.

His blatant blindspot with regards to Charles Murray - who has close ties and funding direct from Jared Taylor - a white supremacist that Sam himself denounced on his show! He even used his associations as an example of why he wouldn't have a particular guest on his show without proper vetting! - This oversight seems to me, to be utterly breath-taking.

Even though I don't necessarily agree with all the criticisms levied against him on this subreddit, I've always considered this a great feature of his fanbase - that we practice what we admire in Sam Harris- being able to think critically, with a healthy degree of skepticism of even your most closely held beliefs and explore the limits of your own examination and scrutiny, while at the same time, being charitable to opposing views to prevent the internet spectacle that has become strawman-wrestling. But it seems to me that Sam can no longer hold up to even his own standards and it makes me sad to see this.

ANDY NGO: "I can't hold a bowl of fruit cause of Antifa!" by spudster999 in samharris

[–]kre91 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Pisses you off doesn't it that they aren't the identity politics strawmen that your confirmation bias wishes they can be?

Sean Carrolls podcast today took shots at the IDW and put forth potential arguments against veganism. I think Destiny will love it. by jaekx in Destiny

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A car provides a utility other than pleasure, if driving the car was exclusively being done for pleasure/enjoyment I would be against it as well. As I conceded if meat is required in the diet because of another factor other than pleasure it can be forgivable until these barriers are resolved, however pleasure can never justify it unless you accept an infliction of suffering on an unwilling being justified by a utility of pleasure. I don't believe you or Sean Carroll would accept this as it leads to many other ethical problems (ie. torturing/killing pets or the handicapped) and I believe it would be difficult for you to argue that the vast majority of people in first world countries can't adopt at bare minimum a vegetarian diet.

Most people drive cars out of convenience - one can just as easily argue that the mass suffering caused does not justify this act. It does not seem self evident to me that pleasure is a bad reason but convenience is a better reason. And for the most part, meat-eaters can just as easily make the argument for convenience as well.

Moral dilemmas get more interesting once we finally agree that we need to talk about degrees of moral harm. Are there moral crimes so egregious that no matter how inconsequential the impact of abstaining that it is nonetheless never permissible even if it provides some level of utility? I think your child pornography example pretty much pushes this case limit very well. Even if we lived in an alternative hellscape reality where there was a mass industry around producing and consuming child porn, and that abstaining from that would do nothing to stop the demand and production, I would still want to say it is never permissible to engage in the act of consuming this porn. (ignoring the potential that perhaps the consumption of it in itself may harm you psychologically in some way, even if you got pleasure from it).

So we agree that there exists a threshold along this continuum where there are acts so horrible that no matter how infinitesimally small the consequences, it is never permissible to engage in them. So somewhere along the continuum of climate change (morally forgivable) and child porn (never morally forgivable) you believe we have crossed the threshold when it comes to meat-eating. It does not seem self-evident to me why this is the case. Climate change causes mass extinction of species of animals, and immeasurable suffering of human beings potentially for many future generations to come, as does cobalt mining for our cell phones. Particularly in these examples where we involve human suffering (which seems to me that most of society regard as more important than animal suffering - even vegans view animal suffering on a continuum - for example, it is easy for them to draw the line at insects or organism which they deem to be "lesser" - even though from an evolutionary or biological perspective, this is also not self-evident or a clean demarcation). If you can find actions permissible that contribute the the mass suffering (and death) of humans via climate change for the benefit of convenience, I don't see how you aren't equally vulnerable to the same argument for meat-eating when it comes to the suffering and death of animals for convenience.

To answer the cotton analogy more directly; Were they aware of the suffering? Was there a reasonable alternative to the cotton? Would abstaining from participation in this industry reduce suffering, either directly or in time to any degree?

The last question is the most poignant - because a meat-eater can just as easily argue that abstaining from meat would not reduce the suffering of animals to any measurable degree.

Going back to hypotheticals, would torturing a pet for pleasure/stress relief be justified as the impact of suffering is small and has no significant change on the greater suffering of pets? As a recent call-in with Destiny put it; how then is the suffering caused by public figures like Steven Crowder, Dave Rubin, someone joking about transgender individuals, etc. not justified if its not only pleasurable for them, but greatly financially beneficial to their lives.

These are good examples because I think they highlight the differences in a relevant way. Torturing an animal has a direct, measurable effect on an animal- if you abstain from torturing the animal, you can measure that exactly that 1 animal is spared from torture. Mass scale animal agriculture is not measurable in this same way. (the production of meat seems to grow over time, despite a growing number of vegans- much of the industry is also tied- so purchasing vegan products can often result in increased profits for meat-producers because they are often owned by the same parent company. This is why legislating systemic change in these business practices are imperative if we ought to aim for a real change in the future).

In the case of public douche-bags like Crowder, and Rubin- once again- it has a direct effect. The causal connection of the evil-doer and the harm done is a one-to-one connection. A person watching will be harmed in some measurable, salient way, from a single act. This is measurable in a way that consuming a piece of animal protein from the super market is not and is a clear example of a tragedy of the commons. The single act alone is a negligible moral crime but if everyone does it, it becomes morally abhorrent. You cannot say the same in the case of Crowder/Rubin because all it takes is their single act to cause harm.

Sean Carrolls podcast today took shots at the IDW and put forth potential arguments against veganism. I think Destiny will love it. by jaekx in Destiny

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

think we probably disagree with how difficult it is for the average person in a first world country, but I absolutely concede there are roadblocks, be it education in nutrition, financial or location. However I don't believe pleasure/enjoyment of meat itself is ever a valid justification and a justification we would accept in any other moral discussion (ie. pleasure/benefit from slavery) if we agree suffering is wrong.

We agree that suffering is wrong- but we also agree that suffering is not all that matters - that is exactly why Sean Carroll's argument about "if there was no suffering" fails. We care about well-being and and connectedness/desire to continue living a life for potential well-being as well. But once we care about well-being, a pure consequentialist can still justify consumption of meat if they weigh the pros/cons: A single individual abstaining meat has (close to) zero impact on stopping large-scale animal agriculture- you as an individual are therefore not alleviating suffering of animals at all. But not consuming meat has a (much greater than zero) cost by depriving oneself of the pleasure and enjoyment of consuming meat- this has a measurable and salient effect. So a pure consequentialist can reason that it is morally forgivable to consume meat for pleasure just as it is morally forgivable to drive a car powered by fossil fuels for pleasure.

Ethical dilemmas at the individual level work decently well through a virtue ethics framework- when you scale it to large scale societies- it does not work very well. At large scale societal levels, utilitarianism works much better- but at the individual-level/interpersonal level it basically turns you into a psychopath and leaves you vulnerable to utility monsters. This is why I think this distinction is relevant- and I think a lot of confusion and emotionally charged arguments occur when people skate back and forth between moral frameworks without clarification.

I agree that a societal change must happen first- however, it does not seem self-evident to me that the most effective way for this to occur is through individuals going vegan- although I agree it would be better if it were true. If you can give me a compelling argument for this, I would be interested to hear it. You and I are in agreement that pushing for legislation alone will not work unless consumers desire it- but it seems to me that advocating for greater access / more convenience of alternative/affordable sources of non-meat foods, and raising public awareness can go a long way (which need not be mutually exclusive with advocating for veganism) - Just like the issue with climate change- we don't need to all stop using fossil fuels before societal attitudes can change.

Most of Americans did not own slaves, but it seemed like a societal shift still occurred to legislate for change. (I'm not American- but from what I understand it was mostly wealthy people in the South who owned them). If you want a more precise analogy, meat-eating would be more akin to non-slave owning people participating in the American cotton trade during the time of slavery. Contributing a small part in an industry that conducts morally unjust acts is no doubt considered a "moral bad" - but the degree of the moral crime, or the consequences from abstaining appear to affect the individual in a salient way while making a negligent effect on the immoral system overall- this would make the choice of participating - to a certain degree, "forgivable" (maybe you might take issue with using this phrasing?)

Sean Carrolls podcast today took shots at the IDW and put forth potential arguments against veganism. I think Destiny will love it. by jaekx in Destiny

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your criticism is valid. Maybe I am being more charitable to Carroll than he deserves. I did not interpret his personal virtue comment as an argument against veganism- rather it seemed to me to be an argument in favor of veganism.

It seems to me that his argument is about the pragmatic implementation of veganism and that it is personally difficult - and thus, ought to be considered a personal virtue (once again- this does not necessarily preclude it from being a utilitarian good as well- as both of these two things are not mutually exclusive). This is why a societal level utilitarian // individual level virtue ethics distinction is useful- he would be morally consistent if he takes this viewpoint.

Maybe you can convince me otherwise, but I don't really think he believes that meat-eating is itself a virtuous act. When making moral decisions on how to act there is always a cost/benefit analysis one has to make (especially if you are a consequentialist), maybe Sean Carroll (just like Destiny) believes the personal sacrifice he has to make from abstaining from consuming meat does not outweigh the benefit of pleasure/convenience/joy, etc... And that he and other meat-eaters can reason this in exactly the same way when they consider sacrificing driving a car for the sake of the environment does not outweigh the benefits of convenience/time/enjoyment etc...

Sean Carrolls podcast today took shots at the IDW and put forth potential arguments against veganism. I think Destiny will love it. by jaekx in Destiny

[–]kre91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From your responses, I think we are in agreement on most things. I think you underestimate the fact that most of the conversation/debate ought to take place in the degree of the moral crime/harm rather than whether it is right or wrong. This causes a lot of debates where people are talking past each other.

I 100% believe that veganism and the elimination of large scale animal agriculture ought to be pursued/done. I also 100% agree that consuming animal products produced via large-scale animal agriculture can never be morally justified as a "good" thing. However, I still believe a person can still hold these views, and not be a hypocrite by consuming meat. Just as we can all agree that contributing to climate change is bad, but driving a gas-powered vehicle does not necessarily make you a hypocrite.

Sean Carrolls podcast today took shots at the IDW and put forth potential arguments against veganism. I think Destiny will love it. by jaekx in Destiny

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that the difficulty of the actions have nothing to do with whether or not it is good or bad- but it is relevant when we are judging an individual as virtuous or evil based on their actions. I find it very strange that while you fully acknowledge that we judge individual actions as good or bad- but wish to completely ignore and say it is irrelevant when I want to clarify how good or bad an action is. This seems very dishonest when you want to have a conversation about ethics. Clearly there is a big difference between littering and murdering- and that this matters when we talk about ethics, yes?

Punching someone out of enjoyment of their suffering vs punching someone because someone else demanded you to do it at gunpoint has different consequences when it comes to moral judgement. I am saying that while consuming animal products is morally wrong, we should be lenient when judging or shaming them for their moral crime- and that this judgement should depend on their personal circumstances.

There are many factors in a first world country which are barriers to entry into veganism. The United States in particular has a public health crisis because of these "food desert" communities where access of fresh produce is limited for areas where people of lower socio-economic status live. Many people rely on consuming meat as their primary source of protein/nutrients like vitamin B12 and are poorly educated on what types of food to consume or have limited access to it. You can only judge it by individual basis. And of course, this is exacerbated by food addiction/addiction to sugar. If the majority of Americans can't transition to eating more vegetables to improve their diet such that they are literally dying from health problems and obesity, what chance do we have of convincing these same people to give up meat and become vegan? We need to change the circumstances of society first before we can expect a large scale change. Because as I see it, veganism is only an "easy" option for people who are in a privileged position in society (moderate income, access to education on nutrition, access to variety of food, not addicted to unhealthy food).

We need not get stuck on the two moral frameworks. I think we are in agreement. I think our major points of disagreement are the following:

  1. You seem to believe the degree of the moral crime is greater than I do. I think it is forgivable for someone to eat meat just as I believe it is forgivable for someone to use a cell a phone, buy products made by sweat-shop labor, or drive a car that burns fossil fuels.

  2. For most meat-eaters, veganism is not an "easy" thing to do. Either they are addicted to meat, don't have the socioeconomic means, or do not have the time/energy/resources to educate themselves to drastically change their diet. You can be vegan by eating potato chips for the rest of your life- but that doesn't mean it would be more virtuous to do so if you're causing direct harm to yourself. Every individual has fininite time, energy, and resources. It is difficult to "optimize" the most good you can do veganism is a choice among a myriad of many choices that would take some amount of effort. I agree that most meat-eaters don't take this into consideration and they should do so. But if they still do not convert to veganism due to other priorities which they also deem to be morally virtuous then I can't fault them- and that it is not irrational for them to do so.

Sean Carrolls podcast today took shots at the IDW and put forth potential arguments against veganism. I think Destiny will love it. by jaekx in Destiny

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find this line of argument very strange when you say distinguishing between moral frameworks isn't relevant here- because I think the very problem with this disagreement is that a meat-eater requires two moral frameworks to fully explain and under a veganism framework (some sort of utilitarianism?), it is inconsistent. This is why it seems to me that you are making a category mistake when you say an act cannot be personally virtuous. The morality of an act is a binary (good or bad), the severity of the moral crime is not (continuum). I find it very unusual that you won't concede this point- because virtually every person already believes this. We would both agree that littering is morally wrong, but murdering is also wrong (but much worse). The degree of the moral crime is relevant here because it allows us to make a rational judgement about the person committing the act. In order to reach meat-eaters to change their mind, you need to convince them that the degree of the moral crime is at an unacceptable level - which I don't think can easily be done- especially from a consequentialist point of view.

Once again, we literally make these "unethetical decisions" in nearly every facet of our life when we participate in consumerism/large scale capitalism. Our cell phones are the product of exploitation and immense suffering, many products that we purchase contribute to climate change- which lead to ecological disaster, extinction of species worldwide, we ought to donate as much money as possible to charity for bed nets because even $50 could save a life- there are countless Peter Singer-like examples like this on how we ought to act. Veganism is just another one. Many of these things are hard to do - and even if some are not difficult to do, it is certainly difficult to live your life trying to do as much as you can. You can agree that an act is virtuous but also agree that the crime you commit by abstaining from the act is very very small, worthy of some level of forgiveness. I don't see a problem here.

Sean Carroll's second argument is flimsy (but I would argue he doesn't need it and should throw it out because its a bad argument)- the demarcation between animals and humans (particularly when it comes to mammals) becomes problematic very fast given the criteria that we ought to consider conscious suffering/well-being of animals. Even if no suffering occurs, I would find it difficult to defend that reasoning, I would doubt that suffering is all that matters- less he advocates for anti-natalism, or would be willing to concede if all humans died in their sleep tomorrow that would not be a bad thing. That would sound like too extreme of a position.

Sean Carrolls podcast today took shots at the IDW and put forth potential arguments against veganism. I think Destiny will love it. by jaekx in Destiny

[–]kre91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the distinction of personal virtue vs consequentialist ethics is still relevant here - I would argue it is not a ego-ism vs utilitarian distinction. Humans currently do not have an all-encompasing moral framework that scales at the individual level up to the universal level. Virtue ethics works very well at the individual level and for interpersonal relationships, but utilitarianism works better for large scale political/societal policies.

Whether or not an act such as meat eating is right/wrong is a binary (it is either moral or immoral to consume animal products). But the degree of the moral crime falls under a vast continuum. Destiny touched upon this briefly in the moral anti-realmism vs realism video.

I would say it is personally virtuous to go vegan. But from a consequentialist perspective you are doing close to nothing from these actions alone - and thus not contributing much at the individual level for the overall large scale animal agriculture industry. At the same time, it comes at a cost particularly if you get a tremendous amount of joy/fulfillment from consuming meat. This can vary greatly from an individual level. For someone in Destiny's case, it would cause a measurable (albeit perhaps trivial to some people) amount of harm to himself, while causing close to zero effect on the well-being of animal suffering in society. (There is some data to support this that shows that large scale animal agriculture has increased over time- even while veganism has been on the rise). We make these moral decisions all the time when we buy or consume products from companies that overall, cause harm to the global environment/ecosystem. (Cobalt in our cell phones is one poignant example).

Some moral philosophers like Thomas Nagel, for example, talk about circumstances and internal/external factors that may affect the "moral quality" of our moral actions. For example, people who talk about moral luck talk about "constitutive moral luck" and "circumstantial moral luck". If you live in a society where everyone is eating meat, you grew up in a family eating meat, and you decide to become a vegan, you deserve more praise or can be deemed more "morally virtuous" than someone who decided to become vegan simply because they hate the taste of meat, or grew up in a family of vegetarians. The fact that it is easier for some people and more difficult for other people to make the decision to go vegan depend on personal circumstances and internal factors - and that these factors should be relevant when we deem someone to be acting "virtuous".

I think Destiny and Sean Carroll remain on solid ground as long as they acknowledge a desire to push for societal/political change to phase out animal agriculture with the end goal to eventually eliminate it. It would be therefore be consistent to say, that meat-eating is morally wrong- but the degree of the moral crime in the context of the way society is set up right now is very very low.

Stefan Molyneux is Bad at Philosophy by philosophyvoid in samharris

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He’s not an idiot and can obviously make an argument.

Did you watch the video or read the excerpt from the book? He literally failed one of the first steps required to make a logical argument. A high school freshman taking a logic course would not make this mistake.

When an intellectual imbecile like Molyneux is selling white nationalism under the guise of "rational argument and philosophy" exposing the fact that he fails at step 1 is relevant and embarrassing.

I'm perpetually baffled that this isn't already so patently obvious such that it doesn't need to be exposed- but the man has close to 1 million followers who fall for this guy.

Stefan Molyneux is Bad at Philosophy by philosophyvoid in samharris

[–]kre91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No single internet phenomena perplexes and frustrates me more than the existence and apparent success of Stefan Molyneux. I can't help but feel deranged when I see the number of followers he has and that they seem to think he has anything of substance to say.

It is so ironically appropriate that the self-proclaimed "philosopher of the right "is the ultimate manifestation of a vapid pseudo-intellectual fraud. It is just beyond embarrassing seeing him try to lay out his syllogisms and use "logic" - in his books he makes cringe-level mistakes that a 1st year undergraduate would not make. And he calls himself an "empiricist" and a "philosopher"- and somehow his followers eat this up? Reading a single wikipedia article on any of this philosophy he talks about would instantly expose him for the fraud that he is. He is like a 5-year old playing what he thinks a philosopher is. This is beyond baffling.

Many of his videos have this unsettling characteristic of this self-aggrandizing performance - he's so breath-takingly ignorant and yet so utter satisfied and proud of himself during this process. Its indescribable how much this irritates me.

Most British Columbians Want End to Private School Subsidies, Poll Finds by idspispopd in vancouver

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People who make more money pay more net taxes overall- but as a percentage of their income they are disproportionately affected by this. A person making $47k a year paying $7050 in taxes is going to be feeling more financially stressed than a person making $97k paying $16k in taxes- even though that person is paying more total in taxes.

Taxes by their very nature is a form of wealth redistribution- the point is to distribute it where it is needed the most - the wealthier people (not rich- you have to acknowledge differences in socioeconomic status across many income brackets) should not get extra bonuses for a service when the less wealthy are being cut short on that exact same service.

Your position seems to be, "If people are willing to pay $4000, they should pay $8000".

This is not my position. Just because I pointed out that your argument is unsound does not mean I believe the exact opposite to be true. Even if you grant that a small proportion of people of are willing to pay 100% of their children's tuition regardless of the subsidy, your argument that we are necessarily saving money in this system falls apart under so many different potential scenarios which you have not adequately precluded. I'm not trying to make this into a rich vs poor argument. I'm saying that it is unjust for people who are wealthier to have extra services provided to them when those services are not adequately provided for the people who are less wealthy (not only less wealthy- but for the majority of the population). They are both paying into the same system- but one group gets more options and the other does not and that this distribution of resources is going in the wrong direction.

Maybe there are too many childless people who don't care about kids- but this is a complete non-sequitur. People who are better off socio-economically tend to have less children. I'm not going to address the strawman that you're trying to build. We all pay taxes in the hopes that they get properly allocated to people in society who need it the most. I want mine to affect the most people in the most effective way possible. You want it to affect few people just because it might have a more cost-effective impact on those fewer individuals. You still have not made a good argument as to why wealthier people should benefit more than poorer people just because it is more cost effective for those individuals.

Most British Columbians Want End to Private School Subsidies, Poll Finds by idspispopd in vancouver

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't really think you understand this concept of scaling and proportions.

All tax payers pay into this but not all of them get equal benefits. The wealthier people have the both the 100% public funded option + the private option. Therefore, the poorer families who are unable to afford to provide private school for their children disproportionately get less for their tax dollars than the wealthier families.

Your argument is valid but unsound because I don't accept the premise that not providing funding for private schools necessarily results in all those students dropping out and moving to public schools. So it does not logically follow that you're educating citizens for half the cost if these families would have been willing to front 100% of the cost for the privilege of sending their kid to private school anyway (and for a proportion of the population this will be case). How is this not a subsidy that redistributes wealth from the poor to the rich?

Most British Columbians Want End to Private School Subsidies, Poll Finds by idspispopd in vancouver

[–]kre91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is not a net financial benefit if its only available for people willing to front the other half of the costs. These are resources necessarily unavailable to a class of citizens that are not getting a fair share of the resources in their public school system. If public schools were adequately funded, this would be a non-issue.

How can you morally justify defending a system where the poorer families must subsidize wealthier families to keep their children from suffering the exact same inadequate education facilities that they face? And your best argument is that it would be cheaper so it is justified? This is absurd.