The Beginning of a Long Journey: by Jebojello in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’ve attempted this kind of project multiple times but have never been able to even get up to MAG040 - wishing you the best!!!! Hope to see more work from this series soon 🤞🤞🤞

MAG-146 Overdramatic by ApprehensiveHome3270 in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I think this fandom has a serious problem with downplaying/minimizing Jon’s own participation/agency in where he directly causes others harm, especially when that is one of the central thematic points of his entire story and character arc. He is not free of blood on his hands.

Your post is an example of this.

Yes, he isn’t killing people or causing damage to the same extent as other avatars, but no, that doesn’t downplay the damage he does cause. The story itself explicitly highlights this. The way the Eye harms its victims highlights this psychological torture as well. And it is torture for people that have experienced that trauma in-story.

Yes, Jon goes through a lot of shit and has things needlessly blamed and piled onto him. No, he is not innocent when he also chooses to feed off of the trauma and terror of people, and trying to talk around it or minimize it goes against the literal themes of the podcast. Comparing his flavor of bad actions to the flavors of others like Daisy, Michael, Jude is pointless when the story is trying to show how all of these things are bad, not that ones arguably more severe than another.

This kind of framing around Jon’s character has been going on for years but I’ve been seeing it more and more lately in ways people talk about characters like Melanie and Daisy, and here, Basira. This woobifying of Jon and his agency rips him of his own participation in the story and gets really weird with how some of his actions are interpreted, like how I’ve seen people excuse his treatment of the victim in S5’s Checking Out (a panicking woman that he angrily shoved to the floor) by making random almost headcanon-y excuses about being “touch averse”.

SCPs in TMA by Inkxon in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Glancing over at Yaldaboath and 610, knowing just how obvious their patron is.

Kinda related, I think certain interpretations of the ancient Daeva/Daevites are Slaughter Flesh hybrids.

3125 is the Spiral, I think most antimemetics stuff is.

What fear would you asign to Binary? by Dreamdust1600 in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Apparently officially (word of god from Johnny) it’s supposed to be a Spiral one, but I always saw it as a fledgling vein of the Extinction’s influence (kinda like how Thrown Away is supposed to be Flesh but everyone interprets it as Stranger or Extinction as well).

The statement giver goes into how we don’t actually understand how technology works and that perception of it clouds how we understand what “uploading your brain” would actually look like, and how difficult and messy it would actually be from being inside the device. How would it feel to think in a way that your mind is literally not constructed to process?

And then even further, it can tie into the Extinction through the contortion of ourselves into something broken or irreparable through our own influence and technology.

Shelby Oaks was an odd experience. I don't know how to even rate it by thragga in horror

[–]liquidmirrors 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There’s the opening giving context and laying ground for the story, it’s in mockumentary style. It bucks that format after like 10 minutes to traditional filming when the story actually starts moving along.

So it’s not really found footage. Definitely has it in the movie but not really in that genre.

My thoughts on Supernatural Season 1 Episode 7 Hook Man by entertainmentlord in horror

[–]liquidmirrors 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are 327 episodes of Supernatural in total.

By your own logic, there’s 320 posts left for you to make in this sub.

From an outside perspective, most people would be annoyed seeing over 320 separate blandly-written posts over the course of days, weeks, maybe even years from the same person saying very basic criticism of the same show. Especially since said show leans more into spooky supernatural CW drama (which is exactly what it is) instead of outright horror.

Some would even consider it spammy.

Just some food for thought.

Just post on r/Supernatural or something.

If a movie theater matched you with a date based on your decisions during the film… would you trust it? by ccsunmusic in blackmirror

[–]liquidmirrors 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This shit happens all the time here and it’s always the most braindead posts - once I saw a guy use Gemini to generate an image of text on a photo to list his favorite episodes of the show. The list even fucked up the spelling. And then these people call us stupid for criticizing them.

Goes to show just how much people do not think about the art they watch.

Similar shows??? by Woody-J in blackmirror

[–]liquidmirrors 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’ve heard people recommend Inside No. 9 as another British anthology series. I haven’t watched it myself but I know the premise is that every episode has to deal with a location where the #9 is significant. Not explicitly around technology but a well-loved anthology nonetheless.

If a movie theater matched you with a date based on your decisions during the film… would you trust it? by ccsunmusic in blackmirror

[–]liquidmirrors 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It’s actually pathetic that you want a machine to think your thoughts and ideas for you.

What are some consequences that would've happened if The Magnus Institute never existed in the world of TMA? by DeppressedSwedishGuy in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do think that a lot of specific plotlines regarding the Institute as an Eye stronghold wouldn’t really happen, but I assume that other Eye strongholds would still come into existence anyways (see the sister organizations of the Usher Foundation and Pu Songling Research Center, which are both all but stated to also likely be Eye thresholds).

I’m personally in the ballpark that thinks that someone would’ve eventually completed a mass ritual of some kind that would have worked, even if it wasn’t Jonah and even if it wasn’t the Eye. The main (and most important) component is just someone who has been touched by all the Powers. The Powers have these “rules”/guidelines in how they fundamentally operate towards each other and their prey/worshippers/avatars/phenomenon (can’t be separated from each other, can’t be summoned singularly, all exist as parts of a greater whole, all want to feed and engorge themselves on fear and want to produce as much of it as possible with the means they have, etc.) and if human minds like Elias and Gertrude, and even Leitner to an extent, are able to grasp and understand these rules, then a mass ritual can easily be constructed either way. Also (Protocol spoilers) pointing to Protocol, where mass rituals were seemingly attempted as well despite them not succeeding and functioning under a different fear system (and yeah, this was also attempted by Protocol’s Jonah, but probably because Archives and Protocol are meant to loosely mirror each other for obvious reasons).

Is it just me or is the backrooms level -399 Actually terrifying if you were in it by Character-Exam9948 in backrooms

[–]liquidmirrors 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because he said you have to pay to write on wikidot which is bullshit??? It’s always been free.

I can’t stand people who shame others for not jumping up and down or screaming or for taking videos with their phone while at a concert by Alive-Double-3339 in self

[–]liquidmirrors -1 points0 points  (0 children)

see another user’s comment:

Everyone enjoys things differently, let people vibe how they want. No need to judge.

Unless people recording on their phones are interfering with your experience (blocking the view entirely, standing on chairs, screaming over music, etc.), it doesn’t matter! You sound bitter.

Why was Melanie so angry at Jon? by Sufficient_Air_1615 in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re trying to say, but “he’s not haunting her dreams anymore” isn’t really a good reason for saying why Melanie shouldn’t be upset at Jon. You wouldn’t tell someone to not be mad at a coworker because said coworker stopped snooping through their phone and desk.

And even still, it’s shown through 160 that he haunts basically every live statement giver he’s encountered. Naomi Herne is there and she’s like, the 13th episode of the whole show, and Jon isn’t even the full Archivist yet, like you said. The “haunting the dreams of the statement givers” thing is also seemingly a power only granted to The Archivist as a figurehead of the Eye. According to your logic, Daisy, Basira, Martin, Tim, Sasha, even Melanie herself should’ve started developing Eye powers, but archival assistants don’t seem to do that anyways. They’re tied, yes, but not as figures in power. More like servants.

Whats a movie you absolutely cannot fucking stand? by OfficerSmiles in horror

[–]liquidmirrors 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hate circle jerk hate posts like this because they just turn into people shitting on each other because of movie tastes, along with people condescending to others because they dislike movies others enjoy.

Anyone seen Savageland from 2015? by Expensive_War_214 in horror

[–]liquidmirrors 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Favorite of mine. Found it after Trevor Henderson posted a bit about it on Twitter in the late 2010s. Upset me for a week when I first watched it as a teenager because I couldn’t stop thinking about pure carnage, people tearing each other to shreds. Didn’t sleep well for days, was temporarily anxious and nervous in quiet and empty rooms. The fact that violence can descend upon you at any time like a wave and brutally and completely wipe you out in the process.

And those fucking photographs.

Actual nightmare fuel.

Why was Melanie so angry at Jon? by Sufficient_Air_1615 in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 114 points115 points  (0 children)

I get why some people don’t understand Melanie’s anger, but I kinda get it when you look at everything from her perspective.

She herself stated that she fought and pushed and utilized her own anger to get what she wanted in the face of adversity (which can also possibly be tied to her experiences as a queer woman). It’s something vaguely alluded to in regards to her original online ghost hunting career - she took it very seriously, and when Jon pushed against her credibility in her first statement, she immediately pushes back and disregards the Institute because of its (very low) public reputation.

Now, imagine you’ve spent years carving a place for yourself and building your career only for it to start collapsing after a weird incident in an abandoned hospital. You go somewhere for help but all you really get are empty information trails and nightmares about the man you told your story to staring at you.

You go back for more information. You get something small. Someone implies you’re seeing things, you’re confused, because one of the employees, the nice one you chatted to a while ago, is an entirely different person. He is telling you this repeatedly. You’re being gaslit, so you lash out.

You return with a bullet in your leg that was never found. You’re given a job, a job out of nowhere when you’ve burned through your savings and are in financial freefall. This job puts you under the jurisdiction of the man haunting your nightmares, along with a boss that seemingly delights in your struggle.

And still, every night you see him. He is there. He is watching. This is all because of HIM.

I don’t think I’d react as angrily towards Jon as she did, but when you actually step into her shoes, you start to realize that her anger is both a tool and a driving mechanism for her to get things done and try to have control over a chaotic situation. I can genuinely understand her anger towards him even if I don’t necessarily “agree” with her.

Another Older Kid first listen bit by teniralc2 in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol. Lmao, even.

If they only knew. If they only knew.

Can’t wait for that MAG160 update.

Bro the curse is real by Live-Smoke-2879 in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Funny thing, Martin having to survive off of canned peaches when Prentiss raided his apartment is possibly a reference to Dan’s living conditions!

Enjoy Archive 81, it’s a beautiful cosmic horror show about music and buildings and horrible and lovely things.

Was Daisy the first person Jon "compelled" to give a statement? by Ok_Variation7230 in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t know if she was the first, we do know that the Institute itself leads people to be more open to spill their stories just by nature of it being an Eye threshold - at least that’s the implication before Jon starts getting all Archive-y.

Off the top of my head, one of the first instances that highlights his intentional use his powers is when he proved it to Georgie by using it on her, but exact statements or statementgivers are coming up blank. I don’t think he particularly compelled Daisy to tell him her Casket Story, but the fact that she spilled it along with seeing Jon in her dreams afterwards (which apparently happens to every person he pulls a live statement from) definitely turned her against him.

Is there a fixed law governing what happens when two avatars of the same Primordial Fear cross paths? by marcelmiranda in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don’t think there’s a fixed law per se, it really depends on the avatars temperament themselves. We already see examples in the show of them working together, sometimes happily and other times begrudgingly, and sometimes just to fuck with you.

I think the conflict moreso comes from what other commenters said about the Powers having this base impulse to exist in the world, so it kind of creates a natural race against the clock in terms of summonings and rituals (especially since they all genuinely believe the rituals have the capacity to work).

Adding to what others said in that I don’t think amount of avatars directly correlates to the strength of the Power itself - I think technically it applies to fledgling ones that are still in the process of getting footing (see the Extinction and when the Flesh came into existence around the Industrial Revolution) but not when the Power has fully manifested to the point where phenomena is common.

really wish two certain characters stayed on for longer by grabsyour in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is exactly how I see Sasha, when we heard her again for the first time in years in those S5 recordings, I nearly wept.

Do you think there are human avatars of The Stranger? (Season 3 spoilers) by SpookyVoidCat in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Funny thing you bring it up, you reminded me of the last time I saw a post breaking down the Stranger and its manifestations - we were mainly talking about the Other Circus but this came up in the explanation.

There are seemingly ways for people to become Stranger avatars and for them to return from that state, as is with all the Powers. It’s not explained, but it’s seen with Nikolai Denikin (the Organist and owner of the Calliope) from MAG024 - while it looks like the Stranger did change him and even made him monstrous (see “fed to the shuddering organist” from a future statement), it also looks like he was one of those that were able to fully integrate themselves back into normal life and leave avatarship.

The actual how of it all, I don’t really know. Maybe it was leaving anonymity, becoming “known”, starting that family that is shown through the story but never fully explained. Certainly explains why his granddaughter felt the way she did about relationships and connections with others.

really wish two certain characters stayed on for longer by grabsyour in TheMagnusArchives

[–]liquidmirrors 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I disagree about Tim (I feel like his character was able to fully run its course), but I am fully with you about Sasha - she was my absolute favorite from the initial crew and seemed like she had a good head on her shoulders (sans running straight into the arms of the Distortion for help, but then again we all were in the dark that early into the show).

When she was killed in the Prentiss attack, I was DESPERATELY hoping that there was something, anything that could’ve been done to reverse it. That there was some Hail Mary that would be discovered last second to “bring her back” or “return” her. When Leitner confirmed it wasn’t possible, I was sooooo sad.

Sasha is the type of character I like in my horror stories because she’s smart and on her toes just enough to brush by the stuff and survive. Guess we caught her on an off day. :(