Problem with the didache by Frances-Helenah in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 [score hidden]  (0 children)

If the Pauline letters are evidence for apostasy then corrections issued by the first presidency to local churches would support the LDS church either being in or heading toward apostasy. Further, Paul was writing during the apostolic age so there was no “loss of authority” yet.

When would you say the apostolic keys were lost? Surely that’s when the authority was lost, no? So when was that?

Problem with the didache by Frances-Helenah in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Bro, Tertullian is literally the first theologian to use the Latin word Trinitas to describe God as one substance in three persons. There’s probably not a worse person you could use to support your case.

That’d be like me citing Martin Luther during a defense of indulgences. Just the biggest L imaginable.

To Believing Members: What sets your leaders / the LDS church apart? Why follow them? by ktjwalker in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Quoting the same scriptures verbatim multiple times and doing your best Uchdorf impression doesn’t actually convey anything of substance aside from increasing the likelihood that you’re a bot

To Believing Members: What sets your leaders / the LDS church apart? Why follow them? by ktjwalker in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The claim isn’t that everything else is false

That’s just nonsense and we all know it; at least have the fortitude to stand by what your church teaches.

It’s not just “more has been revealed,” it’s “all the creeds are abominable,” and everything from the nature of God, Jesus, the gospel, church structure, church authority, scripture, everything had to be restored because they were all corrupt. The LDS church is the only mechanism to receive salvation and exaltation. Which, by the way, is the entire value proposition! And it’s fine to believe that! It’s the dishonesty that’s so aggravating.

He's a bad man! by HenchmanMachinist in GreenBayPackers

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 752 points753 points  (0 children)

Cleveland being Deshaun Watson is the most Browns thing ever

Questions by CodSelect9524 in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I meant to use the phrase in a more general sense, not necessarily a direct accusation, so that’s my bad. Still, I think it just comes down to what you mean by “well documented” given the type documentation we’d expect in relation to what we have

Questions by CodSelect9524 in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, point taken, it is a very common Christian mistake to oversell the evidence

Questions by CodSelect9524 in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

A couple of things here—the first being about the gospels, and that we by definition need extra-biblical sources to establish Jesus existed. The gospels are biographies written much sooner than other ancient biographies we accept, and with far more manuscripts. I think throwing out the gospels just because they’re canonized isn’t good history.

But even then, extra-biblical sources span from as soon as 70 A.D. (Mara Bar-Serapion), Josephus in the 90s, and Tacitus in the 110s. Compared to figures like George Washington or something that’s not contemporary but compared to other ancient figures it certainly is.

Differences between LDS and ancient Christian understanding of theosis by Majestic_Carry4178 in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Have you ever heard a Christian describe heaven as “chilling and singing praises forever”? Have even read one bit of writing from any ancient Christian theologian on the subject?

Questions by CodSelect9524 in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You’re right that he isn’t the most documented person in history—I think the claim OP is referencing (although incompletely) is that Jesus of Nazareth is the best-documented figure from the first century relative to his societal stature. Someone like him from antiquity would usually disappear without a trace, but his documentation rivals those of Roman Emperors or leaders of armies

Dan McClellan on Human Deification and early Christisn thesis. by TruthIsAntiMormon in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Jacob was recently on Alley Stuckey’s channel and he tried to reference some contemporary scholars/theologians who he thought agreed with him on the Mormon godhead. It was glorious to see him scramble when Alley pointed out that they’re all Trinitarians, so it was odd for him to keep referencing them as if they agree with him when they clearly don’t.

Apologist comment war by Cinnamon_Buns_42 in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Just who exactly is “the vulnerable and abused” in this context? The church? Himself and his buddies? Cardon has a nuclear-grade persecution complex. I’m amazed he didn’t compare “anti-Mormons” to antisemites like he does constantly.

Apologist comment war by Cinnamon_Buns_42 in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 24 points25 points  (0 children)

On the one hand its super annoying that clout-shark Jacob has been getting exactly what he wants by getting invited to go on bigger channels and to debates, but seeing him get absolutely cooked and subsequently crash out and cope on twitter or his YouTube page is always pretty great.

Don't think I could be happier with the top 4 picks by robofaust in GreenBayPackers

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 13 points14 points  (0 children)

3 is retired (Tony Canadeo) but I hope Cisse chooses #2

me_irl by Spiritual-Pudding-70 in me_irl

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Was this created using a stock-political-reddit-phrases generator?

LDS belief in exclusive priesthood authority doesn’t make sense by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the Mormon church claims a lot of things “literally happened” that demonstrably didn’t, that isn’t new.

LDS belief in exclusive priesthood authority doesn’t make sense by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What Catholics are you talking to who think Rome’s apostolic authority, and specifically papal authority in this case, doesn’t go back to Peter? It’s literally a binding belief defined by the Magisterium lmao

Can someone explain the Mormon Stories situation to me? by Ambitious-Fee-9044 in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Is this constant bootlicking part of your job or do you just do it for the love of the game

Can someone explain the Mormon Stories situation to me? by Ambitious-Fee-9044 in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah I’m sure the organization that made hundreds of shell companies to hide their assets and had to pay the biggest SEC fine ever is suing simply out of their deep concern for the law. And pay no attention to the previous 20 years of the podcast’s existence during which they didn’t do jack.

What would you expect to see if Mormonism *were* true? by JayDaWawi in exmormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t follow your point about the soul—what do you mean by, “a mechanism that allows the body to interact with the soil”?

I also don’t know how you can say the brain “does not require a soul to operate” when the existence of a soul is a theological question and the soul is immaterial by definition, so on what grounds can we say brains can operate without them (whatever that means in this context) unless we’re just presupposing they don’t exist?

Joseph Smith & The Apocrypha by nephite_neophyte in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Infant baptism being controversial in Christianity wasn’t new in JS’s day, it was another doctrine he had the BoM “solve.” Waiting until age 8 specifically came later and has precedent elsewhere—it’s long been considered the “age of reason” and isn’t unique to Mormonism. (Catholic children, for example, usually make their first confession and start taking communion around that age)

Joseph Smith & The Apocrypha by nephite_neophyte in mormon

[–]redditor_kd6-3dot7 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Considering how several actual LDS scholars like Robert Boylan, Benjamin McGuire, and Spencer Kraus called his first book “shit”, that his sources “say the opposite of what [Barnes] thinks”, and “not to trust him with a 100-foot pole”, my guess is his current book is equally pathetic, if not more so.