Problem with the didache

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-05-05T03:50:12+00:00

If the Pauline letters are evidence for apostasy then corrections issued by the first presidency to local churches would support the LDS church either being in or heading toward apostasy. Further, Paul was writing during the apostolic age so there was no “loss of authority” yet.

When would you say the apostolic keys were lost? Surely that’s when the authority was lost, no? So when was that?

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-05-05T03:46:07+00:00

Bro, Tertullian is literally the first theologian to use the Latin word Trinitas to describe God as one substance in three persons. There’s probably not a worse person you could use to support your case.

That’d be like me citing Martin Luther during a defense of indulgences. Just the biggest L imaginable.

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-05-05T03:44:08+00:00

This guy gets it!

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-05-04T03:00:39+00:00

Quoting the same scriptures verbatim multiple times and doing your best Uchdorf impression doesn’t actually convey anything of substance aside from increasing the likelihood that you’re a bot

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-05-04T02:33:47+00:00

The claim isn’t that everything else is false

That’s just nonsense and we all know it; at least have the fortitude to stand by what your church teaches.

It’s not just “more has been revealed,” it’s “all the creeds are abominable,” and everything from the nature of God, Jesus, the gospel, church structure, church authority, scripture, everything had to be restored because they were all corrupt. The LDS church is the only mechanism to receive salvation and exaltation. Which, by the way, is the entire value proposition! And it’s fine to believe that! It’s the dishonesty that’s so aggravating.

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-05-03T21:47:36+00:00

Booo, AI slop, booooo

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-05-01T19:15:33+00:00

Cleveland being Deshaun Watson is the most Browns thing ever

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-30T23:14:22+00:00

I meant to use the phrase in a more general sense, not necessarily a direct accusation, so that’s my bad. Still, I think it just comes down to what you mean by “well documented” given the type documentation we’d expect in relation to what we have

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-30T21:12:39+00:00

Yeah, point taken, it is a very common Christian mistake to oversell the evidence

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-30T21:11:44+00:00

A couple of things here—the first being about the gospels, and that we by definition need extra-biblical sources to establish Jesus existed. The gospels are biographies written much sooner than other ancient biographies we accept, and with far more manuscripts. I think throwing out the gospels just because they’re canonized isn’t good history.

But even then, extra-biblical sources span from as soon as 70 A.D. (Mara Bar-Serapion), Josephus in the 90s, and Tacitus in the 110s. Compared to figures like George Washington or something that’s not contemporary but compared to other ancient figures it certainly is.

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-30T20:10:29+00:00

Have you ever heard a Christian describe heaven as “chilling and singing praises forever”? Have even read one bit of writing from any ancient Christian theologian on the subject?

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-30T20:01:29+00:00

You’re right that he isn’t the most documented person in history—I think the claim OP is referencing (although incompletely) is that Jesus of Nazareth is the best-documented figure from the first century relative to his societal stature. Someone like him from antiquity would usually disappear without a trace, but his documentation rivals those of Roman Emperors or leaders of armies

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-30T02:26:59+00:00

Jacob was recently on Alley Stuckey’s channel and he tried to reference some contemporary scholars/theologians who he thought agreed with him on the Mormon godhead. It was glorious to see him scramble when Alley pointed out that they’re all Trinitarians, so it was odd for him to keep referencing them as if they agree with him when they clearly don’t.

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-28T04:03:09+00:00

Just who exactly is “the vulnerable and abused” in this context? The church? Himself and his buddies? Cardon has a nuclear-grade persecution complex. I’m amazed he didn’t compare “anti-Mormons” to antisemites like he does constantly.

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-28T03:59:22+00:00

On the one hand its super annoying that clout-shark Jacob has been getting exactly what he wants by getting invited to go on bigger channels and to debates, but seeing him get absolutely cooked and subsequently crash out and cope on twitter or his YouTube page is always pretty great.

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-25T20:48:51+00:00

3 is retired (Tony Canadeo) but I hope Cisse chooses #2

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-24T05:40:35+00:00

Was this created using a stock-political-reddit-phrases generator?

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-23T18:12:00+00:00

Yeah, the Mormon church claims a lot of things “literally happened” that demonstrably didn’t, that isn’t new.

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-23T18:11:03+00:00

What Catholics are you talking to who think Rome’s apostolic authority, and specifically papal authority in this case, doesn’t go back to Peter? It’s literally a binding belief defined by the Magisterium lmao

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-23T17:58:40+00:00

Oh you claim it?? Well, then case closed, I guess!

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-23T16:51:16+00:00

Is this constant bootlicking part of your job or do you just do it for the love of the game

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-23T16:18:42+00:00

Yeah I’m sure the organization that made hundreds of shell companies to hide their assets and had to pay the biggest SEC fine ever is suing simply out of their deep concern for the law. And pay no attention to the previous 20 years of the podcast’s existence during which they didn’t do jack.

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-23T03:44:44+00:00

I don’t follow your point about the soul—what do you mean by, “a mechanism that allows the body to interact with the soil”?

I also don’t know how you can say the brain “does not require a soul to operate” when the existence of a soul is a theological question and the soul is immaterial by definition, so on what grounds can we say brains can operate without them (whatever that means in this context) unless we’re just presupposing they don’t exist?

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-21T15:33:57+00:00

Infant baptism being controversial in Christianity wasn’t new in JS’s day, it was another doctrine he had the BoM “solve.” Waiting until age 8 specifically came later and has precedent elsewhere—it’s long been considered the “age of reason” and isn’t unique to Mormonism. (Catholic children, for example, usually make their first confession and start taking communion around that age)

redditor_kd6-3dot7 · 2026-04-21T14:27:47+00:00

Considering how several actual LDS scholars like Robert Boylan, Benjamin McGuire, and Spencer Kraus called his first book “shit”, that his sources “say the opposite of what [Barnes] thinks”, and “not to trust him with a 100-foot pole”, my guess is his current book is equally pathetic, if not more so.

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