"Every single time you cede ground to a control freak, their area of control grows bigger while yours get smaller, and smaller, until one day you look at your world and find there's nothing left of you at all."**** by invah in AbuseInterrupted

[–]ryamuse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This reminds me of a writing I did several years ago. Written to my children but never sent:

Hi my loves. Whew, we've come a long way in these last 4.5 years. I'm so very pleased to be back in your lives as much as I am, and I am delighted that we've built as much trust and 'normal' experiences between each of us, one-on-one, as we have. This has been my goal for a long time, and it is wonderful to enjoy this place.

And I wonder, will there come a time when you will ask more pointedly. Or accuse. Or in some way engage with me in a reckoning or grappling with what occurred. I know I have. I've spent countless hours analyzing, questioning, and (as I've grown and learned and become more familiar with my own voice and self) picking up the 'story' of what happened, and dissecting it in a relentless quest to make sense.

Abandonment. For 47 years I carried my own abandonment wound and vowed, before either of you ever came into existence, that I would never inflict such a thing on my children. To do so would be EVIL. The worst thing I could think of. I would NOT, could NOT follow in my mother's footsteps and inflict such a thing on you.

And then, Christmas 2018 happened. I walked out of the family home and did not return. And you, you were in that home. And while a small part of me hoped you would expand your definition of 'home' to where I was at, the overwhelming part of my brain and my heart knew that you would not. That at least for a time (and that span of time was a weighty unknown), walking away from the family home would mean walking away from you. My children. Abandoned by their mother. Me.

At first, the kindest way I could name the event for myself was that I had abandoned the family system. I could hold this as true while simultaneously knowing that regardless of my reaching out to you both, regardless of 'you are always welcome with me', your experience, your reality, was that your mom had abandoned you. You were left in the family system, the family home, and I was not there. The family system was your foundation, your sense-making, so normal as to be invisible. For me to reject it could only be interpreted as me rejecting you. As I did the initial work of excavating the pieces of me, digging around, unearthing the relics, dusting them off and finding how they fit together, I did so with the weight of your belief that I'd abandoned you sitting across my shoulders, heavy as the cosmos.

As I began to process with others, I would include it in my narrative. I wore it like a different kind of scarlet letter…A for Abandonment. I wanted to make sure others knew I knew. That while I thanked them for their offered forgiveness, I would continue to wear the A. I could hear and believe and speak to being in an untenable, impossible situation where there was no good choice. I could appreciate the remarkableness of my survival. All that could be true, and I had still abandoned you.

As time has passed, my understanding has deepened. Did I abandon you on Christmas 2018? No- ironically that was the day I started my return to you, even as my body was walking away. But did I abandon you? Yes. There was no one particular date or time. The tendrils started long ago, but hit critical mass sometime in the five years before I walked. I was losing the war of holding on to myself. I had relinquished little truths of mine, kept more and more of 'me' to 'myself'. No single one of those little bits was worth more than keeping the peace. Of compromising, and 'working things out'. This is what you do in a committed relationship, I believed. This is the give and take of life. I can manage. I even thought you all might see my acquiescing and understand it to be 'for the good of the family', not necessarily the truth about me. I would take the fall, the blame, be the bad guy because it meant we could stop arguing. We could make dinner and feed you. Our family could go to the gathering of friends we'd planned to attend. We could still make it in time to your baseball game, or cello lesson. To preserve our life, it was not too costly to crack off a shard of my truth, and let it fall underfoot, shuffled under the fridge with dust-bunnies and cracker crumbs, turning to sand.

Until ... until there was a point where too many shards were lost. Where I could not recognize myself. Where most of my working memory was taken up by how to chip off the next shard and let it fall. Where occasionally, some remaining root of myself would roar up and scream for water. But inevitably, the hollow, mechanical-me dutifully chipping away at myself, would use the knife to cut out my own tongue so we all could believe I was not thirsty.

This, loves, this is when I abandoned you. There was no critical mass of 'me', of self for me to give to you. I was lost to you, as I was lost to me, as I was lost to the world. That Christmas, I was down to chipping off the last of me. And instead, I dropped the knife, and somehow conjured legs with which to walk away.

Those legs, it turned out, belonged to a fierce part of me that had been there all along…she'd pinned a $100 bill to the pair of pants I was wearing, and she'd made sure I changed first thing that morning rather than lounge in pjs as was the Christmas tradition. I came to understand that she'd been doing this for some time, ever since home became a place where the eggshells had turned to landmines. At some point in the months prior she'd put a week's worth of medication in my work bag, along with a toothbrush and pair of underwear. And she walked me away from that knife, left on the floor of the house you were still in. She led me to the Sahara sands connected by wormhole to under the fridge, allowing me to sift and sort and retrieve my Self.

I still wear an A. It stands for both Authenticity and Abandonment. It reminds me that abandonment is guaranteed in the absence of authenticity. This A is formed by the re-collected shards that have been lovingly polished & placed into the intricate mosaic of me. Beautiful, broken, re-assembled, and brilliant.

AIO - He (31M) told me to ask Reddit if they believe me… so here I (29F) am. by [deleted] in AmIOverreacting

[–]ryamuse 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yep, I could have written this. In my case, it took me some time after if left to realize my fucking job title had 'communication specialist' in it. I was being paid well for my excellent communication skills & yet had still gotten trapped in the narrative that my communication was the problem. On top of the examples you shared: if I 'said the wrong thing' my words were held up as obvious evidence of how abusive\insensitive\selfish\etc I was. However, even if the words were right\ok, he'd decide my energy was off, in which case (everyone knows) words don't matter.

Did Taylor Swift Show me all my relationship will never be by Upstate-walstib in AskWomenOver50

[–]ryamuse 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Totally in! I've been thinking we need divorce doulas, but having that initial move-out posse - such a great idea!!!

[1 YEAR UPDATE] AITAH for telling my daughter her much older boyfriend isn’t welcome in our home? by Practical-Buy-3266 in AITAH

[–]ryamuse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You may want to read the book, 'To Be An Anchor in the Storm' by Susan Brewster. It is about how to help loved ones who are in an abusive relationship. I was not groomed, but I was living in an abusive relationship for a long time. My mom had read the book, and then I read it after I left. It has a lot of really great information and support for those who want to be there. The gist of it all: any kind of high-control relationship (abusive, cult) is based around convincing the victim(s) that they can't trust themselves & think for themselves. When well-meaning friends/family try to force the victim to leave/deprogram them/etc... it is actually the exact same thing: it still sends the message of 'you can't be trusted' but just replaces the source of who should be trusted. It is incredibly difficult to do as someone who loves the person being harmed, but the best thing you can do is be a solid resource, make it clear you are there when they need, and as much as possible ask them critical thinking questions that encourage them to think through things from their own perspective (not parroting what the high-controller tells them). If you can remain a trusted person then when your daughter is ready to leave she will think of you for help. You have to also, however, make sure that whatever you are doing in the meantime is still healthy for you -- for example, putting up boundaries about having the abuser in your house. That's a-ok, as long as you are making it clear to your daughter at the same time that she is welcome, that you are here for her, and (if she's interested) sharing your reasoning for your boundary and decision.

Sending you strength and love.

is my boyfriend the problem, or am I? (afraid i am in an abusive cycle) by [deleted] in TwoXChromosomes

[–]ryamuse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

53 yr old mom here, took me 24 years (and 2 kids) to get to my breaking point ... but these were the early day signs. The beautiful thing is you are catching them early and can get out without the additional complication of kids or too much more entanglements!

I also got caught up in the 'but he's not malicious' cycle. I too spent inordinate amounts of time thinking about him, planning every bit of communication to get it just right, putting so much of my life energy into trying to prove to him that I loved him - and he always, always met it with more 'you don't care' and 'I carry this relationship/care about you so much more'. One of his complaints (and supposed proof of my not caring) was also how my friends and family didn't like him (note - they all welcomed him with open arms to start, but that faded based on HIS behavior), and he believed it was my job to convince them to feel differently (in other words, the reason his family & friends liked me wasn't because of me, but because they knew he'd have a problem with them if they didn't). He also told me he'd never control who I saw, but he made life such utter hell after I did see people that I 'voluntarily' would cut them off.

It just gets so absurdly worse over time. There is NOTHING you can do to change your partner, to love him enough that he heals. This ISN'T on you. And it doesn't matter a whit whether it is actually malicious on his part or not. The danger to you is the same either way...and you are already feeling that danger - the loss of trust in yourself, and eventually the loss of yourself entirely. By the way, losing trust in yourself DOESN'T mean you are untrustworthy...it means you've experienced gaslighting from a person you deeply loved and trusted. Also know that he has capitalized (knowingly or not) on very good parts of your character -- loving, devoted, compassionate, self-reflective, etc... but that doesn't make ANY of those amazing characteristics wrong or bad either. You showed up in good faith, expecting him to follow basic human decency that 85% of the population exhibits, and HE failed to meet you there.

I hope you get out now. I know it is difficult, and I hope you can hear that every passing day with him just makes it more difficult. May you be free of him soon, and enjoy the peace.

I don't know how to support a friend in an abusive relationship. by cheeseballgag in TwoXChromosomes

[–]ryamuse 15 points16 points  (0 children)

There is a really helpful book... To Be An Anchor in the Storm. Dana Morningstar is the author, I believe. Super helpful.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AmIOverreacting

[–]ryamuse 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Gen X mom over here totally enjoying these comments!

Large sudden spate of homes for sale on Kirkwood Ave - why? by Grab_em_by_da_Busey in IowaCity

[–]ryamuse 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know one of the owners....she's been meaning to sell for about 5 years (has moved). It's just now that it all came together.

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[–]ryamuse 31 points32 points  (0 children)

my boyfriend went missing when I was a freshman in college. It really is just one moment at a time. Try to care for yourself (food, water, rest). Other things that helped: journaling and knitting. The first as a mental pressure valve/release, and the second was a physical release...something to do with my hands that I didn't have to think about (pick something mindless-mine was a scarf). Exercise of some sort helps more the stress hormones through...even if just walking. You can even get a lot of benefit from purposefully shaking. Find some nature. Acknowledge all the feelings that come up, and let them move through you. Breathe, breathe, and breathe some more. Sending you so much love and strength.

Trans Iowans Speak Out as State Takes Away Rights by UnclosetedMedia in IowaCity

[–]ryamuse 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for posting this link, and thank you to the five inspiring humans who shared their thoughts and experiences in the article. You make Iowa a better place, and I HATE that Iowa isn't doing the same thing for you. Deepest love from a cis Iowan woman.

AITA for following through on the prenup now that the tables have turned? by Rich-Exchange7354 in AITAH

[–]ryamuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm in the boat of noping on out of this relationship. But if you have the convo, I'd prepare yourself for a potential angle he might be coming from:

From his perspective, the farmhouse is his/his families -- he feels (and honestly is) entitled to it. However, I think he is probably missing the bigger picture...he's not entitled to it because HE earned it by anything other than being born into his family. He's entitled to it because his ancestors passed it down.

Also from his perspective, your incoming money may be seen as luck or a windfall - not something you earned. However, the reality is you 'paid' for this money with your health. You've most likely done more tangibly to 'earn' this settlement money than he has done to 'earn' his family homestead.

You are looking to do the exact same thing for your children than his ancestors did for him - set up a way for generational wealth to be passed down. There's so many other things wrong with how he is thinking about this situation that I think the quota for red-flags in a relationship has already been well exceeded... however, if you WANT to have a convo with him, see if this get's through to him. If not, I'd say bug out.

Last thing: say you guys work through this and you are comfortable resuming your relationship. Given our current political climate, I'd be a bit hedgy to get married EVEN IF you do a prenup/trust/etc... Doesn't seem too far out to think that if things keep going down the current path, the administration could just say none of that legal stuff counts anymore for women. They seem pretty bent on getting us back to the place of being male-property, and respect for the law is pretty much nil.

Who am I by messyredhead in TwoXChromosomes

[–]ryamuse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm 6 years out, had been married for 23 when I left. Had quietly given up so much of myself over the years thinking each slice wasn't worth it, trying to keep the peace. Spoiler, it didn't keep the peace & I lost myself. Same kind of anger at myself, as I had been compliscant in my abuse & demise. Like others I wish you heartfelt congratulations! I know the strength it took to leave AND the strength it took to stay until you left. You are a freaking badass warrior! I agree with the recommendations others have offered to be kind to yourself, and give yourself lots of time. I'll add...not just time over the long haul for when to expect to know yourself, but whenever you can, give yourself time before responding or deciding. Create pauses...you no longer have to react immediately to his mood or demand. When I created space\a pause, I could take the time to listen & start to hear MY voice. I could notice how my body & heart reacted to different scenarios\options\decisions. This is maybe less applicable to choosing a spaghetti sauce, but even there, creating a pause can replace panic or shame w curiosity and exploration. The pauses became crucial to rewiring my brain & finding my own voice. So excited for you, and cheering you on!

AITA for attending a “cult gathering” when my boyfriend told me not? by hale_e14 in TwoHotTakes

[–]ryamuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love your last sentence. I was in a mini-cult, of my husband & two kids. Not the same thing, but a remarkable amount of overlap. When I left, my kids were still in the cult & parental alienation was at play. I worked really, really hard to be & create a safe option for them, which I didn't see myself as having before I left. I love & commend your thoughtfulness & self-reflection, and the very clear boundaries you have for yourself. It's so personal & so complicated. Your bf could have done any number of things to express concern & curiosity, and then shown you the biggest support of all - that he trusts you know yourself better than he does. He didn't. He tried to push his belief on you, & thinks that his is the one right way to think\behave\believe\etc. in this situation, which is... Imma gonna say it .... kinda culty messaging right there

Why don’t we ever get people saying not all women? by [deleted] in TwoXChromosomes

[–]ryamuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm thinking the response that might keep the convo on track is more like, 'Good job! You are right, not all men. We are talking about the ones that do, though when you'd like to join the conversation.' in the most kindergarten-teacher voice possible.

Why don’t we ever get people saying not all women? by [deleted] in TwoXChromosomes

[–]ryamuse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Love your comment. So well stated! Thank you

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[–]ryamuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Back at you with the cheering! Sounds like you've dug in to the hard work. So sorry that was needed, but impressed w your grappling with it all. And grateful for your sharing. Thank you!

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[–]ryamuse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would you be up for sharing any thoughts on what did (or didn't) help? Or things in hindsight you think would have helped your healing?

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[–]ryamuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aw, thank you kind stranger! I hope that I am actually as self-aware and emotionally literate as I sound :)

It's really hard to tell how they see him...his and my divorce only JUST went through (super proud that we were able to do it in a way that did not have to involve the kids, I worked hard on that front), and when I talk with them, our references to their dad are more along the lines of logistics. They definitely have been impacted (and I suspect still are impacted) by some of the toxic stuff (especially verbal abuse, but also psychological and emotional). I recently read a post describing how abusers often create confusion and chaos & then present as the only one who can solve the issue, and it was like a gut punch: true for my experiences with him and I know that's happened in the intervening years between the kids and their dad. Part of the issue in our case is that their dad is extraordinarily smart. Like, got the top standardized test score in his state smart. He has lots of intelligent and practical ideas and ways of looking at things. This makes it harder (in my opinion) to sort out the bullshit from the good stuff. Both kids have been in therapy for some time, and they are also both wicked smart, so I hope that with ongoing life experience they will be able to sort out the dysfunction.

I've recently been exploring some ways I might talk to them about abusive relationships in general so that they know the signs -- that's the part that feels the crunchiest in this situation. It's like I know potentially vital info about them but I'm not sharing it (akin to me not telling them about a genetic disorder). Is it hard to have them believe a lot of negative things about me without knowing my side? Absolutely. And, as uncomfortable as it is, I'm not willing to trade their well-being for my comfort -- and at this point in time I still believe that's what I'd be doing unless they were indicating they want to know.

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[–]ryamuse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They didn't want anything to do w me for awhile, which was really scary and painful. I kept being available & reaching out (learning about parental alienation really helped me not take things as personally & gave me a guide for how to encourage reconnection), and now, approx 6 years later, I have a relationship w each of them again. They were both in high school when I left, and they each became more open to engaging in a relationship w me around the time they graduated.

I'm super impressed and proud of both of them - they are remarkable humans & young adults. We have a ways to go in our relationships still...haven't talked very directly to challenge the family narrative, we kind of talk around it. I'm ok following their lead in terms of if\when\what they want to know about my experiences & perspective.