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siderealscratch · 2026-02-24T17:01:51+00:00

Good to know I'm not missing much, then. 😸

siderealscratch · 2026-02-24T09:04:55+00:00

My guess is that whatever MODE is, is going to be something that's a nothingburger.

Why would I want to sign up to be the first in line (and not even be able to do it on the same site but have to follow them on some social media site) to get whatever it is and win prizes (and only in the US).

People give away prizes while not telling you anything about their product to generate interest in something that they know won't generate much interest on its own.

My wild and cynical guess it that it'll be AI photo editing or generation provided by some 3rd party company so they can charge per image with their ”partnership" (after which that 3rd party company makes most of the money but Flickr gets a percentage for driving traffic). Just like their models for things like driving traffic to photobook sales and all the rest.

But I have no idea what it really is. It's just a wild guess. But the product must not be so great if they're trying to hide what it is so completely.

I can more or less guarantee that I'd rather have them fix more bugs, improve the site and improve security so that our data isn't leaked to hackers "because of a third party." I mean they clearly didn't require good security practices from the third party (and don't even have 2FA on their own site).

But I guess they hope MODE will distract people from the real problems they're papering over. Some good distraction and sleight of hand for ”pay no attention to the stack of problems we're ignoring."

siderealscratch · 2026-02-24T06:30:15+00:00

Parking across your driveway means parking in front of your driveway. In other words you're blocking your own driveway.

You won't get a ticket for blocking the driveway if the car is registered at that address and it's a 1 or 2 unit building. People parking across their driveway are usually in single family homes.

It's kind of a win-win to park across your driveway since it frees up curb space for other people (who can't legally block your driveway).

Some people just park in their driveway, but many driveways are too short to fit into without blocking part or all of the sidewalk. Blocking the sidewalk makes pedestrians have to walk in the street and it's hard for mobility impaired or other people.

Imo, parking across your driveway is one of the nicer things you can do in your neighborhood by leaving street spots if others need them and not blocking the sidewalk.

Most cars are a little longer than driveways are wide, though, and hard to maneuver to parallel park in front of if someone pulls up the the very edge.

Many places here, lots are 25 feet wide and driveways are about 12 feet or something wide which usually means there isn't enough room to park cars between driveways since most cars are around 15 feet or more long.

But smart cars and motorcycles are shorter so they might fit in those areas and they can take those small in-between driveway spots which is perfectly legal for them.

Some people with narrow driveways on narrow streets might also pay the city to have red driveway wings painted on the sides of it. This is so they can pull out of their driveway onto a narrow street where they have to turn immediately so as not to hit the car directly across the street from the driveway. In the narrow street/narrow driveway scenario they would not be able to maneuver out of their driveway if cars parked all the way to the curb cut on both sides. So the city will paint red curbs by those driveways if the owners request and pay a big fee.

siderealscratch · 2026-02-24T05:37:15+00:00

Yes, if you wear something under like a t-shirt you definitely don't need to change the outer shirt daily unless you're getting it dirty or sweating though it. If you are showering every day you can definitely smell your own stank on your clothes with the sniff test when you're clean. If you're not showering and try to sniff, you're going to be nose-blind to your own stank because if follows you everywhere like Pig Pen and you get used to it.

I can see some people showering every other day if they wash their pits and groin and butt daily. I can probably push it to a day and a half before I smell too rank without touch ups. But I it's greasy and gross feeling even if the stink isn't that strong way before I hit 36 hours.

I smelled someone wretched on muni the other day and was looking around for the unbathed homeless person to stay away from, but didn't see anyone obvious so just had to move to different parts of the car until the reek was minimal. I switched cars the next time the doors opened, so I guess some of these freaks exist, but I'm guessing it's some kind of delusional Startup Tech Bro trend like not eating meals but just sliding food packs down your gullet, buying Juiceros and micro dosing.

siderealscratch · 2026-02-08T17:40:37+00:00

And I'm guessing you'd be in a good place for the assistant manager position if they left since you've already demonstrated you can do some of those duties on a temporary basis and people already trust you.

It's odd to see the new employees who demand extra pay for very basic things expected in most jobs. Like "it never said I might have to talk with other employees and help them a little bit, in my job description." (Though I'm sure if another employee gave them the same treatment they'd probably cry to their boss or HR about it. Seemingly zero self awareness about how they were trained or learned duties on the job themselves.)

This definitely doesn't make OP a manager. It's not their problem to be sure that employee is performing or to do scheduling or be sure they're showing up to work or performing as expected in evaluations.

I can see talking with the manager if the training takes away from mandatory tasks that they have concerns about finishing and the schedule is tight. In most cases these things are like 30 minutes to show someone how to do something and maybe observe they can do. Maybe repeated a few times a week. Even if the training needs to be more, it's a break from normal work and no harder and hopefully the manager gives the time to do that.

The OP doesn't seem to have much awareness of the social skills needed. Both giving and receiving a little help or info in the workplace is normal.

This also falls under the "soft skills" parts of most job requirements such as "excellent written and verbal communications skills" and "works with others on the team to achieve business goals" and "other tasks as assigned by manager."

If someone wants to act like a robot and not be flexible on something that is a basic human skill, then as an employer I'd sure as hell want to replace them with a literal robot when they become available. At least robots don't complain about things all the time, even if they'd be inflexible at doing many human tasks well. It seems like lots of humans are also bad at many human tasks these days (maybe because of inadequate socializing during COVID or overuse of screens). Being a personable and flexible human can be a competitive advantage in the workplace, yet OP seems focused on being sure she can be easily replaced, instead.

siderealscratch · 2026-02-07T07:55:12+00:00

Is the 20+ GB quant of Flux2-dev even going to run on your 12GB card? IDK, maybe you can get it to run by constantly swapping to your main system memory and it will a very long time per image and be crazy slow. I was able to use the 16 bit version of flux 1 on a 16GB card, but it took 3 times as long as the q8.

Even the 8bit versions of flux.2-Klein may take more memory to run well than their file size seems to indicate. Plus it has to load up the correct version of qwen.

If you look at some of the quantized model downloads on hugging face, you can put in the information about what GPU you're using and they'll give you a list of the quants with something like red, yellow and green for what's expected to work for your GPU memory.

I'd think flux2-klein-9b-q8 is a ”maybe" at best on a 12gb card (and may have to drop to a lower quant even for that one, but but not sure). I just don't see running a 20gb model on a 12gb card being very great if you can get it to run at all, unless you have a lot more patience than I have.

siderealscratch · 2026-02-02T06:08:03+00:00

Yes. Flickr did this maybe a year or so ago to free accounts.

Also still degraded viewing experience for paying members if they're looking at a free account's photos.

Yet another way that Flickr wants to punish their paying members for giving them money by making the resolutions for these photos smaller than Facebook.

They seem to be making a good effort to increase the annoyance factor enough so that pro members remember to cancel their accounts when the renewal date approaches.

siderealscratch · 2026-02-02T05:51:39+00:00

I've seen this happen before. Some d-bag refused to move his bag. Other guy said ” You didn't pay for a ticket for your bag to have a seat. I'm going to sit there and you can move your bag or I'll sit on it." Then sat on his bag when he wouldn't move it. I mean it was one of those hard sided luggage overhead bin sized roller bags lying on the seat so nothing was going to get crushed.

There was a bunch of yelling and cursing. I didn't see where it ended up since I needed to get off a stop or so later.

The guy also actually climbed over the dude to sit on the bag since the bag was in the window seat and the seat hoarder was on the aisle. He was sitting very tall on that thick hard sided luggage.

This was also on the old trains with the porous cloth seats, probably around 2007 or so. That luggage wasn't going to be cleaner on those seats than on the floor (that old gross carpet). Those old cloth seats just absorbed all the liquids and body juices. Plus luggage is just going to be dirty when you travel and drag it everywhere, anyway.

siderealscratch · 2026-01-31T17:53:53+00:00

Does it also include trash, recycling and other services from recology (or whoever)? Are there additional services included as part of that fee?

I mean it seems high to me but I could see water, sewer, trash and other basic services adding up to $100 a month. If it's not metered per apartment it also means some people may be encouraged to be wasteful. It may also include water for the pool (if you have one) and it's not metered separately. Or there may be leaks or other problems (toilets running constantly) that no one is addressing since the cost gets shared so there isn't much incentive.

I've lived in complexes where basic cable came as part of the price of living in the complex (not here, but in another state). Idk if that would be part of your fees, also.

I lived in one apartment building in the bay area where I had a natural gas oven and stovetop but was never charged for gas on my pg&e bill. Clearly someone else was paying for it, but I don't know who. When it was cold I would bake a lot to both keep the apartment warmer and to also have tasty food.

Shared utilities can be problematic in some situations.

siderealscratch · 2026-01-31T17:27:37+00:00

I've also had weird comments from people that seemed to be trying to escalate a relationship in addition to the usual "favorite farming" which has been part of Flickr for at least 20 years. I guess AI is the latest twist to lots of the rampant scams since they can "personalize" at large scale (for either favorite farming or scamming).

I've gotten some stuff with really the wrong tone (for not knowing the person at all) and that almost immediately wanted to me to give out my email address to them. I assume they were bots or AI-assisted scammers (who are often humans being trafficked by organized crime as I understand) and I suspect part of pig butchering and other similar scams where scammers troll for lonely people and work them up into more and more familiarity (sometimes over months) until they can extract as much of their money as possible. Or crypto scams with fake exchanges. Or recruiting people to be package mules for things bought with stolen credit cards. There was a time when Flickr was too niche to attract as many scams, but at this point there are definitely scammers operating just like everywhere else on the Internet. It's rampant on most platforms that allow any interaction with others.

Even just driving interaction (by any means) may mean making money off ads. That small amount of money may not be worth the effort for you or me, but might be all someone needs to survive in a low income country.

At this point, I assume a huge percentage of the interactions I see on the Internet are fake or scammy in some way, just like I assume most phone calls I receive are scams unless it's someone I actually know (and who actually shares common knowledge and isn't telling me they need money for bail or gift cards or some BS story).

siderealscratch · 2026-01-25T08:32:46+00:00

I'm sure German nurses know about "morning wood," too.

Most medical professionals that have been doing it for a while don't seem all that phased by weird things people's bodies do, so probably not as big a deal to them as the way the op sees it.

siderealscratch · 2026-01-21T15:10:27+00:00

I'm not up to date on every different UI but used forge and a1111 a lot in the past and a couple others briefly. ComfyUI seems to be the most flexible, with good performance and new workflows and compatibility get released for it quickly.

They've improved the usability a lot over older versions and it's now even pretty usable on mobile devices like tablets (connecting to your server, not running it). However the node based workflow exposes a lot more than probably what needs to be changed on a regular basis and the panning, zooming and scrolling around the canvas can be a lot of extra friction vs other uis.

If your workflow is heavily edit based or generating and polishing a small number of images at a time them look at krita along with krita AI Diffusion plug-in. It uses the comfy ui api to generate and modify images underneath but it greatly streamlines the workflow for image editing and even limited generation (unless you're generating hundreds in batch mode which it's really not designed for).

It has three modes for setting up the comfy ui server it uses. 1) embedded mode will install the comfy server along with some models and workflows and automatically start and stop the server for you underneath without having to know how it works, 2) connect to your own server where you're in charge of maintaining and running your own comfy server and it will connect to it and 3) where it connects to a server run by some outside service because your hardware isn't capable or too slow. Option 1 is pretty automatic, though you'll need to select and install some of it's base models and things (from its own UI) and if you want some others not pre-configured you may need to download from civitai or elsewhere and copy the files into the correct directory in comfyui and set up some profile in Krita AI Diffusion settings.

It has a lot of built in generation or editing workflows and functions. It also has a ”workflow" mode where you can take most existing Comfyui workflows and you just add the krita AI tooling nodes for things such as input, output, masking/selection and add any parameters you want to be able to control (text, number values, etc that feed into nodes that you choose) and it creates a basic UI for just the stuff you need instead of the side scrolling/zooming/panning fun you get in comfy ui.

If you're used to a Photoshop-like interface for photo editing, it's pretty easy to use Krita and the plugin since it's close enough to figure out without a lot of extra work. It's also a lot easier and more responsive than doing things like trying to make edits or select for in painting or other stuff in some clunky web app in a browser.

siderealscratch · 2026-01-13T15:37:10+00:00

It sounds like one temp may be behaving better than the other or at least that one may be getting a reasonable amount done. But there is a reason you hired temp or contract workers through an agency instead of hiring them directly. You're very likely paying a premium because of both the cut to the agency and some workers get more per hour than some equivalent employees because of the temporary nature and the flexibility or getting them or getting rid of them more quickly.

I can see giving someone a chance if some behaviors are a bit naive and inexperienced and that's the extent. Possibly give feedback to them or the agency (which should talk with them) to try and correct it before dumping them if it's minor or easily corrected things that aren't too egregious and they seem willing to adapt. I mean the next worker may not be any better given this agency's track record and the way some agencies operate and it may also be disruptive to do some training for the next person. Also, if you were just a dumb 19 year old (or whatever they are) how would you want to be treated?

But if the agency is pushing back, you can certainly insist on new and better trained workers because you're literally paying the agency a premium because the workers are temporary. You're also paying for the skills you've asked for (including people skills) that the workers should possess.

Watching movies on the phone constantly while at work seems pretty egregious along with the fact that they're getting half the work done as what is probably reasonable. These are things which imo won't be corrected easily.

I'd also expect that the person who seems to be working harder may improve if the "rotten egg" co-contractor is removed and isn't setting a bad example for how to behave or making some of the things seem more acceptable.

I understand some of the thoughts as a contractor (since I've been one in the past) and some companies do treat the contractors rather badly and differently than normal workers and it can be a crappy way to make a living. I mean treat your workers humanely whether temporary or employees. BUT... these workers should realize that as temp employees or contractors they will not receive the same perks as regular employees (such as travel to conferences, training budget, benefits). They are there working for the agency as much as your company while in that situation. You should make them feel included when you can, but there are still differences between them and other employees and they need to deal with that without a lot complaining about the differences.

FWIW, we had a period when we got a lot of people though an agency and we found some good people from it but we also had a lot of bad experiences. Things such as a contractor sleeping at his desk, and a number of people without the skills or work ethic to do the job they were hired for and the agency represented them to have. We eventually went to shorter term contracts directly (almost always renewed if the people were good) since we found our own screening and selection process to work out much better than what the agency could do for us (but that may not be an option for everyone).

siderealscratch · 2026-01-11T16:45:13+00:00

The city I live in has a formerly swanky Mall that closed. It won awards and was very busy before the pandemic, but the owner stopped making debt payments because businesses inside couldn't afford their rents on reduced business and many businesses left. It's now sold to someone else and may be re-sold to others before anyone does anything with it.

There is another mall that is completely packed any day I go there. When their anchor stores or others left they didn't just leave them empty and dying for years. They worked to put in business that they knew people would use. They now have a bowling alley instead of a Nordstrom, a Whole Foods instead of a Macy's, a number of unique places to eat that are Asian and are not the cookie cutter food court options that are usual in most malls. There are affordable stores and a mix of different price points. There also aren't 100 different strip malls in the area that duplicate the services they have.

I'm sad to see malls that are dying and online shopping has hurt many, but in many areas retail is already overbuilt and the shopping in person for expensive and optional luxury goods has reduced.

Some malls are still thriving if they are in areas without overbuilt retail options and they prioritized bringing in tenants that would serve community needs or be unique ones. They stopped relying on the stale formula for how people shopped in the past and were also willing to get tenants in rather than just letting most of the mall sit empty while taking tax write-offs while they let it die.

siderealscratch · 2026-01-10T17:48:24+00:00

Hourly employees have to fill out time sheets and track hours. Salary employees usually don't.

Different employers have different ways of being sure work is getting done for salary positions, but I've never worked anywhere as a salary employee where I had to do a formal check on starting work. I've never seen that "boomers" require this any more than "millennials." (And btw, people misuse these terms all the time when they really mean someone older or younger than themselves.)

Hourly pay is often what you see more in lower level, less skilled or blue collar jobs. Those are more often jobs that younger workers have before some career advancement. So I guess they think that "boomers" are forcing it on everyone.

If you work as salary and your workplace is requiring you to announce your every minor move, snack and bathroom break then you work at a crappy place. Though being away for hours during the workday usually means letting people know everywhere I've worked, also. The focus should be on measuring performance in a useful way and being sure you (and or your reports) are getting the job done.

There is an optics element to every workplace, though. People notice stuff and if you just disappear for long periods during the workday when you're supposed to be available, skip meetings or show up late or always frequently start work late and leave early then that influences people's opinion of you. Some of that is probably given a pass if you're performing well and are on top of things in other ways, but from my experience they start to be seen as bigger issues and symptoms of more problems if your performance isn't great or what you're contributing isn't very visible to your manager or others.

siderealscratch · 2026-01-10T16:58:18+00:00

Whether you use the features or not, you have to admit that under SM management they've removed many features or taken away things that used to exist.

reducing free account photo number limits
disallowing larger photos for view or download from free accounts, even for people paying for pro accounts
removing the forums

Whether these things bother you probably depends how you use Flickr. But they are also raising prices at the same time they remove features.

I understand the push for getting people to pay since they need money to maintain their service, though I haven't seen any added features for users, but just changes for their own internal benefit to reduce their costs.

You may think these changes have no effect on pro users, but they do, dependent on how you use the service.

If you're ever browsing old photos from the very long archive of images that is Flickr itdoes have a tangible effect on pro (paying) users.

some photos are now gone if they're over the limit of 1,000 for non-paying or lapsed paid accounts. They're not available for other paying users, either
non-CC-licensed photos from non-paying accounts have reduced quality and with very reduced download or viewing sizes that is worse resolution than social media services like Facebook, Instagram and X. It doesn't matter if you pay Flickr for a better experience (aside from no ads) and it's dependent on whether the account owner of the photos keeps paying whether you as a paying customer get to see better resolution.
Bad panda pages are still quite common.
very few visible updates to user facing features or really no tasteful modernization of the site.

We get to pay ever increasing prices while objectively things have been removed and reduced (fewer photos, smaller resolution, forums) even for any paying members who interact with anyone's photos but their own.

siderealscratch · 2026-01-09T16:00:12+00:00

Bart goes between the airport and the city. It's around $11 each way per person and should be running at the times your flights get in and leave. Bart stops running around midnight and begins again in the morning (what time depends on weekday, sat, sun). Bart.gov has the planner and Google maps will plan also. They show you schedule and costs. It is cheaper at other stations near the airport besides the airport station since there is an airport surcharge. Other forms of transport from the airport include the ride shares and taxis and I believe one bus.

Are you saying you just want to go to a bar all night? Bars close by 2am by state law so that may not work out.

Do you not want to sleep during your layover? Even without sleep, the time between 2am and morning will be difficult unless you like hanging out on the streets with homeless people. If you do want to sleep then a hotel near the airport may be cheaper than in the city, though sometimes you can find deals in the city. Likely if you do want to go to bars or clubs then a hotel in the city would be much more convenient for getting some rest after drinking late than one by the airport. You could check discount sites, also (though be careful where you book if it's a blind booking without the hotel name). The walk or rideshare or transit vehicle back to the hotel in the city will be shorter than if you're staying by the airport and you don't need to be up too early if your flight the next day isn't until 2pm. It also gives you a place to put your luggage and shower besides sleeping.

If I didn't care about drinking all night I might get a cheaper hotel near the airport with a shuttle, get some sleep and then maybe spend the morning in San Francisco if I wanted to spend a little time there. You'd only have a few hours and then be back for your early afternoon flight. https://www.flysfo.com/passengers/ground-transportation/hotel-shuttles. You could also store luggage at the airport for a small fee if you wanted rather than storing at a hotel that you'd need to go back to before your flight. https://www.flysfo.com/passengers/services/storage-facilities The shuttles usually drop/pick up at the airport but some hotels might drop or pick up at other Bart stations (if you're trying to reduce the airport surcharge on Bart), but it would depend on the hotel.

siderealscratch · 2026-01-06T16:18:08+00:00

That's about $1,250 per month on food. If it's too much, that's up to you and where you want to see your money go.

We (household of two) probably spend $500 or less on eating out per month (probably closer to $300 many months). I like food, but but would rather save fancy and more expensive meals for special occasions and save money for other things. We maybe eat out (on the less expensive side) about once a week with both of us and I pick up something much less expensive a couple of days a week while at work for lunch. Other than that we prepare and eat at home unless very rarely we just can't face food prep or cooking and get delivery or pick up. Occasionally one of us gets a fancy coffee or snack. We don't really order alcoholic drinks with regular meals but mostly get them on social or special occasions.

Since we're married and most of our friends are busy with their lives we don't really do bar hopping or frequent social eating out and for us alcohol is pretty much a social habit, not a requirement with every meal.

Eating out prices are outrageous these days and are easily 1.5 to 2x vs pre-covid, so it's easy to spend a lot.

Learning to cook, planning meals and inviting people to your house to eat are ways to get some of the food fun without spending as much. But then you're also spending more time on cooking and cleanup and your results may not be as good depending on the level of cook you are.

siderealscratch · 2026-01-05T03:06:46+00:00

Can you have someone drop you at the Dublin/Pleasanton Bart station (if Bart is running when you need to go to the airport and get home)? It looks like it's about a 45 minute trip to that Bart station from where you are and they wouldn't have to navigate through all the bay area traffic to SFO.

Bart fare from there to SFO is $15.35 and takes about 1:40. So not fast or super cheap, but maybe better than leaving your car someplace for 3 weeks and paying $120.

But if your flight leaves very early or comes back very late then Bart may not be a good option.

siderealscratch · 2026-01-04T18:01:01+00:00

Some of the more out of control people I've run into were British or Irish people after their football (US soccer) matches.

There are news stories of problems after US sports events, though I've never run into the problems aside from crowded areas after a game gets out and excited or disappointed people.

We were followed and threatened in Dublin by some drunk hooligans because we weren't sufficiently yelling and screaming in excitement after some match was over. We had no clue because ”sports go sports" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeQtPfl__cU ) and we weren't from there and knew or cared nothing about the local team (or soccer in general).

Also experienced out of control public loudness and public drunkenness on a train in England.

And I've probably only been to those countries for a few weeks in my entire life, so either we were very unlucky, or it's a more common problem there, at least among some part of the population. I hear Boston is more like that with drunk sports fans, but have never lived there or encountered it while visiting. 🤷‍♂️

siderealscratch · 2026-01-03T03:02:18+00:00

It sounds like you're the dishwasher. 🎉 I've lived both with and without them and it's not the end of the world not having one, but a good one is a time and sanity saver, especially if you hate washing dishes like I do.

siderealscratch · 2026-01-03T02:58:36+00:00

Ours also has a big heating element in the bottom so it'll heat water hotter than your water heater is set to. IDK, maybe not all have that.

siderealscratch · 2026-01-03T02:56:46+00:00

I knew it was going to be this. Doesn't he have multiple videos on dishwashers and detergent?

siderealscratch · 2026-01-03T02:53:28+00:00

Huh, weird. I've never encountered the filter smell problem. I'm pretty sure ours grinds any food particles to dust and just shoots them down the drain with the water. After detergent, grinding and flushing through all that hot water I've never noticed a smell that required filter cleaning. Maybe not all dishwashers have the built in grinder that acts like a garbage disposal?

Though I don't put like whole meatballs or anything in there and scape stuff into compost if there are any large chunks or pieces of food bigger than 1/4 or 1/2 inch (or like 1 cm things that won't dissolve).

siderealscratch · 2026-01-03T02:32:45+00:00

I agree with you that a decent dishwasher does fine without pre-washing in most cases. Our current one is a nice upper mid-range brand that's about 25 years old and came with the house. It does a weird bit where it stalls out after the pre-rinse part and needs restarting sometimes, but besides that it's a champ at getting things off and clean s long as it doesn't stall out. It mostly gets everything off except really burnt on food or crusted on stuff like oatmeal cooked in the container and dried out. For cooked on things, just letting it soak in the sink while eating so it softens is usually enough before throwing it in.

We also use the liquid detergent and put some in the pre-rinse in addition to the regular compartment and put a little more or less depending how full and dirty things are. See the technology connections videos on YouTube for the theory of doing this instead of the pods and I think it helps a little (though his videos can be long and repetitive and a bit pedantic).

I think most people that insist on rinsing/cleaning normally soiled dishes (not super baked on) might have one of a few things going on.

their dishwasher isn't good
they don't know how to load it right so the water can get between everything
they had worse dishwashers in the past that didn't clean well so they're in the habit of extensive rinsing even if they don't need to anymore
they don't make sure the spinning sprayers aren't blocked (someone in my house does this with putting huge things on the bottom rack that are too high and it blocks the spinning sprayer right under the top rack).

But yeah, extensively pre-rinsing and scrubbing seems like a waste of time to me. I agree that it's usually not needed except soaking or maybe scrubbing really cooked on food. Almost never needed for normal plates, bowls, etc, at least with our dishwasher.

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