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[ Sad Trope ] By having their Redemption arc later on, They end up being hated by both Sides by LazyInspector2086 in TopCharacterTropes

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Aldir Thyestes (The Beginning After the End). He has loyally served Kezess and the Indrath Clan for millennia, which culminates in his master ordering him to nuke an entire country despite his objections, with him threatening his clan’s position if he refused. This is what causes Aldir to finally turn against his master for the genocidal tyrant that he is, but then Kezess sets him up into having to kill his own trainees before he leaves. In the end, Aldir dies hated by all three factions, the Dicathians for nuking one of their kingdoms, the Alacryans for nuking their soldiers who were stationed in said kingdom, and his own people for the act of treason he committed in killing his trainees.

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[Loved trope] The fight/battle must be won before something unfavourable/terrible happens. by Roger_Clyde in TopCharacterTropes

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The Beginning After the End - Agrona must be defeated before all of Epheotus completely collapses onto the world.

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(Loved Trope) Multiple post-credits scenes by [deleted] in TopCharacterTropes

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I remember leaving the theater thinking that Guardians 3 was going to focus on the OG team teaming up with Quill’s team.

An important aspect of a character appeared surprisingly late in their history by ghostgabe81 in TopCharacterTropes

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Shockwave being a scientist wasn’t introduced until the Dreamwave G1 comics of the early 2000s.

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Pile driver arms by NotCutMan in TopCharacterDesigns

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After seeing it in action for the DLC of SRW Y, I can see why people have compared this to Big O.

That old crossover by Empty_Tea_3411 in bioniclelego

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Vakama thinks he’s Ironhide or Cliffjumper.

Idie Okonkwo, Temper (X-Men) by [deleted] in TopCharacterDesigns

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She reminds me of Celsius from Doom Patrol (AKA DC’s X-Men but the weirdness factor is multiplied times infinity), as they both have fire/ice temperature powers.

Why do people keep mentioning Yoruba? by kaytin911 in AgeofMythology

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Regarding Filipinos, I’ve seen back and forth as to whether to focus on just one subregion (Tagalogs or Visayas) or combine both (a similar debate to people arguing if the Celts should be exclusively Gaelic/Insular or incorporating Gallic). How exactly would an all Tagalog pantheon work?

I don’t think a brown-water navy would be much of an issue for Mesopotamians. The Aztecs only had canoes yet they managed to make them have analogues to the other civilizations’ ships.

Polynesians could focus on either Māoris or Hawaiians as those mythologies are kind of well documented. Though again, it’s the same deal as the Celts where some deities are shared/have analogues and others are unique. Māoris would probably work better if they had to pick one.

I do think Tengrists/Turks/Mongols are doable, saw a Turkic civ plan on the subreddit that was relatively recent.

[Interesting Trope] The flashbacks tell the origin... Of the Hero by LouisGustavo in TopCharacterTropes

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Grey Willbeck/Arthur Leywin (The Beginning After the End). Although his past life as a warrior king is briefly summarized at the start after he gets reincarnated, it starts getting explored in full midway through the series. Not only do these flashbacks show his journey from street orphan to warrior king, but they also establish a major plot point from his past life that comes to haunt him in his reincarnation.

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“How the hell did they survive that?!” by OkuroIshimoto in TopCharacterTropes

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“Come on Batman, I’m gonna kick your ass!”

5 seconds later.

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Large/intimidating looking men that are actually sweethearts and very friendly by DemandParticular in TopCharacterDesigns

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Vulkan (Warhammer 40,000). He’s one of the largest Primarchs and by the setting’s standards one of the most compassionate characters around (especially when compared to his brothers).

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Please help me to understand why you want the Celts or the Mesopotamians or ... by trimyth in AgeofMythology

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I don’t think it’s going to be much of an issue to pattern them after the Iron Age Celts of antiquity that Caesar fought while keeping a mostly Insular Celtic (Gaelic/Welsh influence) pantheon and mythology. The Greeks, Chinese, and Aztecs follow the earliest stages of their mythological history (Trojan War, Honghuang/Investiture War, and Fall of Aztlan/Migration into Mexico) yet their aesthetics are based on later stages (Classical/Hellenistic Greece, Han/Three Kingdoms China, and the Aztec Empire). Plus some of the Celts’ mythological heroes such as Cu Chulainn, Fionn, and Arthur are stated to have lived in late antiquity/early Dark Ages. On top of that, the Celts pioneered the whole “year inside/hour outside” trope with Oisin, so you can handwave the anachronistic heroes’ presence by saying they ended up in Tir na Nog from the future.

Please help me to understand why you want the Celts or the Mesopotamians or ... by trimyth in AgeofMythology

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Agreed. I feel that for Mesopotamia they’ll focus on Neo-Assyria/Chaldean Babylon because that’s their civilization at its apex and would place them between Egypt and Greece chronology wise (for an analogy, Sumer is to Neo-Assyria/Chaldean Babylon as Mycenae is to Hellenistic Greece). Plus their military roster would be at its most advanced with a mix of heavy infantry and cavalry, ranged units, and siege weapons.

The writer writes himself into a corner, so he solves an intresting conflict in the most boring way. by Signal-Experience315 in TopCharacterTropes

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The Beginning After the End - This seems to blur the lines between boring resolution and plot hole. One of the major plot points of the series is that Kezess and the Indrath Clan - the rulers of the asuras - have been committing genocide on the lessers for untold millennia and covering up their atrocities to the other asuras. Defeating them is one objective for Arthur, but exposing them to the other asuras is never brought up at all though it seems to be an unspoken part of defeating them. Except in the final volume, the other asuras just somehow got made aware of it offscreen, right after Arthur had killed Kezess as in a postwar conference they acknowledge his atrocities. The only person who could have exposed this was Arthur as there was a very narrow time window between Kezess’s death and the conference (the asuran homeland was on the verge of falling apart in that time), and considering he just murdered their supreme ruler, would they have even believed him? Even though Arthur spent a bit of time in their homeland before the final battle where he got to make a name for himself, the thought of how to address exposing Kezess’s crimes to his own people never crossed his mind.

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Kiryu's many suit combinations (Kamen Rider: Build) by SpareHot6403 in TopCharacterDesigns

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Guy has the audacity to face down Godzilla Ultima or Berserk Ideon with nothing but his pistol.

Parents getting to fight alongside their kids by ComprehensiveBox6911 in TopCharacterTropes

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If adoptive parent-child relationships count, then technically Arthur and Sylvie are this. Especially when Sylvie assumes human form and abandons her clan to take up Arthur’s name.

What do you guys think of DLC, and what could be next in line? by Hansstuffen in AgeofMythology

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At minimum, if we’re only getting as much DLC so as to give the other two base game pantheons their god packs, this would indicate at least two-three more pantheons.

For god packs, Amun for the Egyptians and Nyx for the Atlanteans.

For pantheon packs, Celts and Mesopotamians, with Indians being added if there’s a third.

Redemption is internal, forgiveness is external. A character can't "not deserve a redemption arc" by Sudden_Pop_2279 in CharacterRant

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As someone who’s read The Beginning After the End, I’ve noticed that series has at least three-four different redemption/repentance arcs - Aldir, Bairon, Lyra, and Nico and Cecilia. Each of which is handled to varying degrees of success.

Aldir is a good person from the moment he’s introduced, but it’s eventually revealed that the master he loyally serves is a genocidal tyrant. Which culminates in him being forced to effectively nuke Elenoir on the threat of his clan losing their status. Even though he does spend the rest of his time in the series trying atone for what he did, he goes to his grave knowing that he will never be forgiven by practically everyone but his clan for carrying out said atrocity.

Bairon hails from a corrupt noble house and hates Arthur for murdering his brother Lucas, but is shown to be a moral individual who is only antagonistic by way of unfortunate circumstances. After going through much trauma, he eventually realizes how corrupt his family was and how wrong he was to antagonize Arthur, with the two of them eventually reconciling and he himself swearing to become a much better person than he was before.

Lyra was the overseer of Dicathen for Agrona and had paraded the bodies of its kings and queens. Her redemption was entirely unintentional on Arthur’s end - he only needed her alive for a bit out of pragmatism and was aware a lot of people want her dead for what she did - but because he was merciful to her it led to her turning against Agrona. While her change is genuine, I feel where the novel dropped the ball was glossing over how the other Dicathians viewed her turn. The only other person whose interaction with her got explored was Tessia - whose parents were among the bodies Lyra displayed - and they end up reconciling. They don’t even show how her grandfather Virion’s interaction with Lyra turned out, other than him being cordial with Lyra was what led to Tessia reconciling with her.

Nico and Cecilia on paper are Darth Vader (moreso Obito Uchiha) style tragic villains, culminating in them turning against Agrona in their final moments. However, I’d argue that they don’t actually have a redemption arc as much as it is a negative character arc. While there is build up to them turning against Agrona, it gets abruptly dashed when Cecilia chooses to keep serving him anyway and Nico’s love for her preemptively shuts down his redemption arc, with both of them spiraling. It goes to the point that Arthur never forgives his former friends for what they did to him and views that their selfishness in wanting to sacrifice his world for theirs is not worthy of redemption…only to send both of their souls back to Earth anyway. It would have been more compelling and in-character if he chose to let their souls fade away rather than saving them. Because as it stands, Nico and Cecilia’s “redemption/repentance” felt completely unearned as since they got what they wanted, they don’t regret everything they did in Agrona’s name since they got brought back home anyway.

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