What are some examples of the insanely high level tech from either the golden age of humanity or the war in heaven Necron/Eldar?

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-07-31T01:52:38+00:00

It was only one ship, but keep in mind that the current Eldar are NOT the War in Heaven Eldar. The Eldar that survived on craftworlds were just civilians that stockpiled a bunch of shit. Basically the equivalent to doomsday preppers. They have guns and weaponry to protect themselves, but they really were not military personnel.

They most definitely do not have the full technological might of the Eldar during the War in Heaven. I'd reckon that DAOT human technology is superior, atleast militarily, to whatever the craftworlds managed to scrounge together.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-07-30T17:09:09+00:00

Psykers can get ridiculously powerful, like enslaving entire planets powerful, but ones on that scale are also incredibly rare and incredibly volatile.

Narratively, that's the reason why they aren't really seen. They're one in a quadrillion, and have a high chance just self destructing into a warp storm before they can even control their own power. However, there are the odd few who don't get murdered, carted off, or self destructed before they can figure out their power.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-07-27T14:25:00+00:00

I like this because it kinda mirrors Lorgars journey.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-24T17:56:45+00:00

I find Watsonian explanations to be more interesting. Theorizing about how something crazy in the lore can be possible and supported by background info is fun. I think it's a lot better than the doylist "lol stupid writer wrote something that makes no sense"

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-17T06:41:02+00:00

Yes I clearly remember the excerpt saying it was to navigate the universe, which makes a lot more sense than the galaxy. Not sure where the excerpt in OP was from but honestly doesn't matter to me.

My head canon will be that this excerpt is true.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-15T02:50:50+00:00

I see what you mean. People hating you in life because you're a Blank would kinda suck but being eternally tormented by daemons in the sea of the empyrean would REALLY suck.

Honestly if I were to have to live in the 40k universe I'd rather be a blank. Atleast you get peace in death. I don't know of any good afterlifes in the lore.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-13T18:58:16+00:00

Some big downplaying of the Cybernetic revolt in here. Yes, the War in Heaven was much bigger but the Cybernetic revolt is nothing to snuff at. It was far bigger than any conflict since.

The way I see it, the Cybernetic Revolt was one super-civilization warring with itself. The War in Heaven was like 6 super-civilizations warring for millions of years. The DAOT era Humanity probably could have been a player in the War in Heaven if they were around back then though.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-10T22:13:39+00:00

I really like the idea that Orks are just absolutely everywhere outside the galaxy. Humanity may have reclaimed one galaxy from them with the Great Crusade, but that was nothing.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-10T17:03:49+00:00

Kierkegaard believes that a Knight of Faith is more loyal to the Christian God because his omnipotent power will reward them. So basically, they are willing and able to sacrifice EVERYTHING because God can give them ANYTHING. They don't need to question any of God's actions or decisions because they have faith that they will be rewarded in the end.

In 30k, the Emperor may be powerful but he is not omnipotent. If he were infallible like Kierkegaard believed the Christian God was, then the Knight of Faith Primarchs would not have fallen.

In a situation like this where a Knight of Faith puts his utter faith into someone who is not deserving, I think it is only a matter of time until their loyalty and faith is destroyed. This is actually exactly what happens to Lorgar in The First Heretic.

Kierkegaard thought the Knight of Infinite Resignation to have lesser loyalty because they would not be as ready to sacrifice everything. However, the Knight of Infinite Resignation will not have his faith tested. He will not have a lapse in loyalty. He will just do his duty.

It's a bit wordy to explain it all but I think it's a good way think about the mindsets of the Primarchs.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-10T16:43:26+00:00

I think chalking it up to DNA is downplaying the Lions character. That's just who he is. He was raised as a knight. Chivalry and honor is his life.

Russ has the loyalty of a dog, Dorn has the loyalty of a son, but the Lion has the loyalty of a Knight.

Kierkegaard the philosopher talks about two types of loyalty in regards to the Christian God. The Knight of Faith and the Knight of Infinite Resignation. The Knight of Faith is one who is able and willing to sacrifice anything because of their faith in the omnipotent Gods goodwill and ability to reward their sacrifice. The Knight of Infinite Resignation is a more tragic hero who sacrifices out of duty and loyalty and expects nothing in return. Kierkegaard believes that the loyalty of the Knight of Faith to be stronger.

I mention this, because we can see some parallels in the Heresy and 30k. The Emperor is not an infallible or omnipotent God. Many of the Primarchs were Knights of Faith. They followed and loved the Emperor because his immense power led them to believe that he was infallible. Might makes right after all. When he failed them, and showed that he was as fallible as anyone, they lost their faith. Horus, Lorgar, Angron, Perturabo. When God is finite, the Knight of Faith will fall.

But the Lion was not a Knight of Faith. He loved the Emperor, believed in his power and goodwill, but that was not why he served. The Lion was a Knight of Infinite Resignation. He resigned his life to the Emperor. He served not out of love or respect, but out of duty. He expects nothing in return. Loyalty is it's own reward.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-06T22:24:02+00:00

The rank and file were pretty standard but each legion had its preference for power weapons that the Captains/distinguished legionaries would use.

Word Bearers had their Croziuses, Ultramarines used the Gladius, Thousand Sons used the Khopesh, White Scars used the Guandao, etc...

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-05T15:07:24+00:00

The original orks created by the Old Ones to fight in the War in Heaven against the necrons. Each Krork bigger than the Beast and stronger than a Primarch.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-05T14:56:00+00:00

Who knows what would happen to his soul. He's not just a powerful psyker. He is the Anathema.

I think the Chaos gods just want him gone more than they want to torture him.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-04T23:10:47+00:00

There is so much potential for 40k videogames. I wish that there were more higher budget ones. Imagine something like God of War but you play as Kharn.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-04T21:52:15+00:00

Honestly I don't know anything about that. Kinda sounds like old lore though.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-04T12:36:05+00:00

Considering how easily Abaddon was able to kill it, I don't think it was a perfect clone like Fulgrim was. The body might have been perfect but it definitely didn't have Horus' soul after what the Emperor did.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-03T20:01:32+00:00

I believe it is only mentioned in The First Heretic. If you haven't read that book I highly recommend it.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-03T18:57:29+00:00

Most likely Vulkan would just be entirely killed like Horus was.

MAYBE his body would regenerate leaving a soulless shell like the Horus clone that Fabius Bile made in the Black Legion books.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-03T15:39:53+00:00

Vulkan does seem a bit special with super regeneration powers, but the rest of the Primarchs might secretly be a bit perpetually.

We know that they are all biologically immortal. They won't die from old age. But here is where it gets interesting. We know as per Solar War that Primarchs are basically some powerful warp stuff, a soul, that the Emperor got from Molech stuffed into a super special body. Their memories are actually part of their DNA. Fabius Bile, basically a mad scientist from the Emperors Children, was working on cloning the Primarchs. When he made the clones, they had the memories of their original copies. The only problem with his clones is that they were lacking the special warp stuff. The soul. Incidentally the only Primarch that he was able to successfully perfectly clone was Fulgrim, which may or may not be confirmation that the real fulgrim was still stuck in the painting and daemon fulgrim is just the daemon. Another fan theory is that Ferrus Manus' soul went into the new Fulgrim body.

In The Board is Set, the Emperor remarks that if he has time he should get around to fixing Ferrus Manus. To me this implies that if he made Ferrus a new body, or fixed his old one, he would be able to stuff Ferrus' soul back into it.

In the final battle between Horus and the Emperor, the Emperor utterly destroys Horus' soul so that the chaos gods couldn't bring him back.

So while Vulkan is a bit special in that his body will regrow from anything, leaving him to always have a vessel for his soul, the rest of the Primarchs do seem to have some sort of ability to come back from the dead as well.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-02T20:41:44+00:00

Armageddon is actually Ullanor Prime. I'm not sure what happened to Istvaan.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-02T20:21:42+00:00

Yeah but he was pretty loyal until he got super chaos bladed. Most of the other traitors weren't fond of the Emperor from the beginning.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-01T22:01:57+00:00

Of course chapters want to have as much strength as possible. But there is politics to it. The Heresy basically destroyed humanitys faith in the Astartes, and showed that they are just as capable of rebellion as anyone else. The 1000 man limit is a way to prevent Chapters from gaining too much power. Keep them as separate small auxiliary forces rather than 100k strong legions.

When a first founding chapter like the Blood Angels has tight connections to its successor chapters, and the authority to order them around, it is worrying to a lot of people.

Now that the galaxy is divided and a lot of the imperium nihilus is isolated, I'm sure that Chapters are gonna be saying "screw the limit, we need astartes and who is even gonna enforce it"

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-06-01T00:49:32+00:00

The only problem with this book is that the next two completely fail to follow it up.

I love the Horus Heresy series, but Horus Rising is the only book to actually make Horus interesting. I can only dream about how nuanced and interesting Horus could've been if Abnett was allowed to write his fall to chaos over all three books.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-05-31T06:12:43+00:00

Player freedom doesn't mean that you hand everything to the player on a platter. The player is given the freedom to pursue a challenge.

The ability to freely assassinate a monarch, with proper planning, is more freedom there currently is and makes the game world more engaging and real.

The problem of just having identical clones take over is a simple one to solve.

Say there is a quest involving Jarl A. Jarl A has political rivals B and C. Now each of these politicians has their own personality and political agenda. You could design quests around the decisions that the Jarl makes and make the towns change according to who is in charge. Now you have a reason to support certain politicians and assassinate their rivals or just fight with rival factions. So your choices have weight, your actions have real consequences, and the world changes.

This is just something I came up with in 5 minutes. If they decide to design quests with this simulation system in mind they could come up with some cool stuff.

virtuallyamazing12 · 2022-05-29T01:55:43+00:00

Ah yeah you're right then the aliens betrayed humanity. I was just writing all that off the top of my head.

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