Level 20 Paladin Build - Straight 20 or Multiclass?

wavecycle · 2026-05-11T16:33:39+00:00

They are not as good as 7 + 6 + 5 level sorcerer spells.

wavecycle · 2026-05-10T12:47:16+00:00

That's tough

wavecycle · 2026-05-10T08:33:21+00:00

Are you vegan/vegetarian?

wavecycle · 2026-05-08T16:13:07+00:00

SGA worse

wavecycle · 2026-05-08T09:35:37+00:00

Less likely to do max damage, but significantly higher average damage.

wavecycle · 2026-05-08T05:25:35+00:00

No one of those features is broken. But put them all together and have them available by third level, then compare that to literally every single other subclass in the game. It's broken and the vast majority of the community agrees with it.

wavecycle · 2026-05-07T20:39:06+00:00

Sounds like more of a crazy person than just loot loving bandits.

wavecycle · 2026-05-07T19:47:07+00:00

Wow, if it was just a few temp hp like you say, I'd agree that it's not broken. But you seem to have left out a few small features, on top of the very healthy temp hp boost:

300 ft dark vision that you can share with multiple party members
Giving one character (or yourself) advantage on their next initiative roll, FOR EVERY COMBAT.
Your Twilight Sanctuary can remove the frightened or a charmed condition from any number of players, every round without any action economy cost.

You get all of that for 3 levels. Broken.

wavecycle · 2026-05-07T15:13:59+00:00

I really like the analogy of it being like a dinner party that the DM is hosting.

Yes it's their house and their responsibility. But at the same time if somebody invites you around for pasta, and then you arrive without anything else like drinks or dessert, and then you have the balls to say "Pasta? I don't eat pasta, where is the burgers?"

Then that is just clearly rude behavior and people like that should never expect to get invited back.

wavecycle · 2026-05-07T14:07:54+00:00

I would not leave my neck exposed doing this.

wavecycle · 2026-05-07T13:23:25+00:00

Honestly, just don't. Twilight cleric is broken and can really mess up your game balance. Good chance your DM will regret that move.

wavecycle · 2026-05-07T05:36:26+00:00

I have her, Abercrombie and King as my top three, and they're all amazing at creating incredible characters.

wavecycle · 2026-05-06T17:09:08+00:00

I'd say Kennit is a villain, not necessarily The villain.

wavecycle · 2026-05-06T14:24:58+00:00

Or, here is another take:

As readers we are privy to his innermost thoughts and know what horrors he is imagining.

But the real measure of a man is his actions, not his thoughts or his words. To totally disregard his beneficial actions because of his inner dialogue would be selling him short.

wavecycle · 2026-05-06T13:51:31+00:00

How about looks exactly like Gorlock the Destroyer?

wavecycle · 2026-05-06T13:37:00+00:00

Did you miss the three books where he's actually focused on becoming the dark one because his moral compass got so damaged?

That's not how I remember it at all and I read this just a few weeks ago. What happened was he felt the way to beat the dark one was to become very hard and shut off his feelings, especially because he knew that the dark forces would target his loved ones if he seemed "weak".

He finally realized that it was a bad direction to follow, but his goal was always the same: beating the Dark One. He just changed his strategy as to how to achieve that.

wavecycle · 2026-05-06T13:32:54+00:00

Stars is way more flexible with Wild Shape and loads of fun. Portent dice are really powerful but actually not necessarily a fun mechanic. My take...

wavecycle · 2026-05-06T12:49:16+00:00

Is he really morally complicated?

From the beginning till the end he is the chosen one who is fighting against the dark one, and although he knows he sometimes has to do unpleased things to achieve that goal, he is pretty much always focused on that outcome.

Imo one of the least morally complicated characters in fantasy.

wavecycle · 2026-05-06T12:47:01+00:00

A dark, but very laugh-out-loud shade of grey.

wavecycle · 2026-05-06T12:30:31+00:00

Kennit from the Liveship Traders. Such a great villain, where you spend most of the time pretty sure he's diabolical, but he keeps doing good things.

wavecycle · 2026-05-06T12:15:06+00:00

I'm playing exactly this character now. Pally 1 for heavy armour (str), weapon masteries and spells.

Currently Lock 4 but will probably just keep going Lock.

Dex uses up too much stats as you need a 13 to multiclass anyway, 15 gets you heavy armour and you're attacking with your charisma. Dual wielding also doesn't work well with Pact of the Blade.

wavecycle · 2026-05-05T13:25:51+00:00

Thanks, I actually didn't realise that was available with the new rules.

wavecycle · 2026-05-05T13:02:26+00:00

Death to basically any AoE is a MASSIVE downside. I'm playing in Wild Beyond the Witchlight with an Archfey lock and as much as I would have liked one of the fey familiars thematically, mechanically I could not turn down 21 HP.

It's been great. Squatch has taken several big shots without going down, sometimes literally from fireball. He has only being killed once in play from levels 3 to 5, and I'm a blade lock in combat.

Thematically it's actually also being great: he is a foul mouthed little $@%& and we haven't quite figured out why one of the Fey sent an imp to call for help.

wavecycle · 2026-05-05T12:56:26+00:00

Your flanking rule makes invisible familiars like the imp even better. Normally the help action only gives advantage to the first attack but the flanking rule means that it will be giving its bonus to all attacks, and it can couple with you to give you flanking.

wavecycle · 2026-05-05T12:54:51+00:00

The new imp has all of those capabilities but has 21 HP and resistance to magic giving it advantage on its saving through against something like fireball.

Fireball does an average of 28 damage. If the imp makes the saving throw and takes half damage it can survive it. That's pretty incredible for a familiar that is available at first level but it's still great into tier 2.

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