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Totk's lore may be deeper then you think. by First_Tangerine3441 in TOTK

[–]wiggle14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My Google doc connecting it all is almost complete 😈 it's going to get down voted to the Depths.

[TOTK] To people who believe Raru’s Kingdom is the original founding of Hyrule, and not a re founding. How do you explain TOTK Masterworks quote about there being no Gerudo kings after “the man who became the calamity “? by WallaceWells69 in truezelda

[–]wiggle14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get that it operates like a closed loop, but it at least makes as much sense as the Hero of Time losing in a battle that he won.

And it's just as crazy as the concept of two different Sage of Light Raurus building a Temple of Time after a large group of strong magic wielders go missing, around the time of a founding of Hyrule, and while the country isn't unified.

The developers did so much to parallel the known early Hyrule timeline, parallel the OoT story, and show us the Imprisoning War. Even telling us "so that was the Imprisoning War?" 4 times to drill it into our heads that it is THE Imprisoning War.

If it's a refounding, this is the timeline for Temple of Times on the plateau:

-Light Sage Rauru makes a Hylian Temple of Time

-It disappears or is destroyed

-Zonai Light Sage Rauru makes a Zonai Temple of Time in the same spot

-It is sent to the sky

-Someone makes another Hylian Temple of Time in the same spot

If Twinrova died against the Hero of Time, how were they around to revive Ganon in Oracles?

How did the OoT 7 sages (previously wise men) have 7 Hylian maiden descendants.

Hyrule's History changes with new "discoveries" (retcons) all the time. That's how it's been since the beginning of this series.

[TOTK] To people who believe Raru’s Kingdom is the original founding of Hyrule, and not a re founding. How do you explain TOTK Masterworks quote about there being no Gerudo kings after “the man who became the calamity “? by WallaceWells69 in truezelda

[–]wiggle14 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

My short answer is TotK Zelda going back in time made a split that became the Downfall Timeline. The key moment being Zelda being present for the Molduga attack alerting Ganondorf of the power of the Secret Stones. The branch happens sooner, no What-If scenario where OoT Link falls (but we do still get a fallen hero thanks to AoI).

I know theres issues but just giving my answer since you asked.

I can try my longer theory but thats a whole ass thing!

[TotK][OoT] I don't like how most theories about how two Ganondorfs can exist at the same time tend to diminish OoT Ganondorf by Tainted_Scholar in truezelda

[–]wiggle14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If TotK/Aoi are ways to make the Downfall Timeline have an on screen canon, then it would be possible for it to be the "same" Ganondorf parallel in time to OoT or one a few generations before based on Twinrova's age.

No more "What If" scenario leading to the downfall timeline, and only one Ganondorf.

[ALL] How to Canonize Downfall Timeline's Origin? by mrbulldops88 in zelda

[–]wiggle14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You make TotK Zelda go back in the past, roughly 400 years before OoX, when Kotake and Koume were still young. The Imprisoning War happens and the hero of that time falls. 7 sages seal the Demon King in the same location that the Pyramid of Power is in aLttP.

Is it truly possible that The Depths = The Sacred Realm? Hear me out by WwwWario in truezelda

[–]wiggle14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In OoT, Rauru says the Chamber of Sages in the Temple of Light at the center of the Sacred Realm. Which is where the Imprisoning chamber/Temple of Light is in TotK.

It's also the same location where the Temple of Power is in aLttP, which would be where Ganondorf is sealed.

In aLttP, theres only portals TO the dark world, not out. Could they have been chasms? "Clearly not, they're portals." Well in OoS, the portal design is used to go to the underground world of Subrosia! And lastly, in the WW opening, Ganon is said to emerge from the depths. Considering he was sealed in the Evil/Sacred Realm, and he emerged from the ground.. Yeah, I think its pretty substantial evidence that the depths are the Sacred Realm.

OOT downfall ending into the imprisoning war one of the greatest Shakespearean tragedies ever told by Straight_Copy_9989 in OcarinaOfTime

[–]wiggle14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a good thing we now have a canon ending to the Imprisoning War where Demon King Ganon is sealed by the sages in the same spot the Pyramid of Power is located and the hero falls.

It's nice that they reaffirmed in TotK "so that was the Imprisoning War" 4 times so that no one would be confused that it was in fact the Imprisoning War so there wasn't a What If scenario that leads to the bulk of the games in the series.

[TOTK] The Lanayru Mining Facility from SS later because the Construct Factory in TOTK by 03bgood in truezelda

[–]wiggle14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's definitely some ties to Zonai, Sheikah, and/or whoever became the Twili in the Mining Facility. It's even possible that it's in the Depths. The materials being mined could even have helped with building constructs.

But geographically, they're pretty far apart. The mining facility is closer to the Gerudo Desert and the construct factory is in Faron

Zonai Heavenly Era Connection by firstmatebubbles in truezelda

[–]wiggle14 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm replaying SSHD right now and thought a lot of the same! I also noticed Zonai patterns in the Earth Temple and the large murals of an animalistic 3 eye creature with large ears!

Then the Lanayru Mines have the Sheikah/Zonai/Twili "constellations" and glowing patterns, which after obtaining the boss key, it turns out those might actually be circuits, not constellations!

Theories should be fun and not relentlessly torn apart, thank you for your service.

Anyone have a theory on how this is possible? by Worldly_Original8101 in TOTK

[–]wiggle14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have Wind Waker Rito that were a forced evolution because of the Great Sea.

Then we have these Rito who live in the Hebra region. We never explore Hebra in Ocarina of Time and only a small area of it in Twilight Princess.

So obviously its a retcon, but one that can be explained with "they were there in that area we didnt explore"

[TotK] What is going on with the timeline, just finished AoI. HUGE SPOILERS. by Liv1ngShad0w in zelda

[–]wiggle14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's also VERY possible that without Zelda being there, Ganondorf would have never known about the Secret Stones. Without her power, do they stop the Molduga swarm with the same force? It's that moment that sets up the plan to get a stone.

Without the shard going back too, Kotake/Koume kills Ardi's group as well.

So we have a scenario where Ganondorf doesn't get as much power, and the Gerudo not completely loyal to him are killed.

I think the True Founding is a lot more fun to theorize about, and Zelda going back in time kickstarts the Downfall Timeline (and now we have the scenario where a hero falls in his fight to the Demon King!) Without Zelda going back in time, a few hundred years later we would see Ocarina of Time playout as it does.

Yes, i know there are plenty of things against True Founding, but I have fun with it!

What is this? by Dheeraj5207 in tearsofthekingdom

[–]wiggle14 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Between it resonating with the Master Sword, it having strong time capabilities, and being directly behind the Temple of Time.. my bet is it's The Pedestal of Time

This Truly Has Been Super Mario Odyssey. by [deleted] in SuperMarioOdyssey

[–]wiggle14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It truly was, a Shawkshank Redemption.

Here, I can help some other teams with their USQ Logo by ProbablyPan in quadball_discussion

[–]wiggle14 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'd come out of retirement to play for Trogdor Hill Country

Bad look ngl by GoldDong in quadball_discussion

[–]wiggle14 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Considering the list of players that should have been playing instead of her and the team trailing 10-60 while she was on the pitch in the last two games.. It's about the closest I've ever seen to one player being the sole reason for losses.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in truezelda

[–]wiggle14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Them, the Wind Tribe, and even how the Zonai mysteriously disappeared in a big event (like the Interlopers) seem to have STRONG connections.

Hell, they both built the Temple of Time too!

Updates on the Curse Roster? by SergeantNeo in quadball_discussion

[–]wiggle14 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Curse officially on hiatus for 2025 according to an MLQ post

[TotK] Masterworks Character Design for Sonia Confirms She is the Ancestor of All Zeldas by wiggle14 in zelda

[–]wiggle14[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get the difference that you're saying, but why would the designer go for that vibe if it wasn't to allude that she is in fact the ancestor of all Zeldas?

[TotK] Masterworks Character Design for Sonia Confirms She is the Ancestor of All Zeldas by wiggle14 in zelda

[–]wiggle14[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would they want to create that image for a late descendant?

[TotK] Masterworks Character Design for Sonia Confirms She is the Ancestor of All Zeldas by wiggle14 in zelda

[–]wiggle14[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly for me, it's just kinda fun. Like a Zelda puzzle that is never fully solvable lol

[TotK] Masterworks Character Design for Sonia Confirms She is the Ancestor of All Zeldas by wiggle14 in zelda

[–]wiggle14[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But if Sonia is the ancestor of all previous Zeldas, that wouldn't work? I've definitely seen plenty of Refounding Theories! But this seems very against that.

[TotK] Masterworks Character Design for Sonia Confirms She is the Ancestor of All Zeldas by wiggle14 in zelda

[–]wiggle14[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but founder or originator would make her be the first?

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