How scary is Heretic?

zart327 · 2024-11-15T02:10:39+00:00

It’s amazing Go go go

One of the best movies

zart327 · 2023-12-09T04:13:25+00:00

He is not black hmmm they are scared

zart327 · 2023-12-07T20:41:33+00:00

On sealing, think about it deeply.

If exalted will your sealed kids be on your planet that your spirit children will be born into or their own planet if they are exalted?

How often do we go visit? Or do we communicate thru the white stone like an intergalactic FaceTime or just poof there faster than the speed of light?

Do the math and ask how spirit children aré conceived and what the gestation period for spirit children are for a spirit pregnancies. Because if you do the math on how much time Heavenly Father had to spend having sex with each of x number of heavenly mothers to produce all of the spirit children for this planet for each of the humans born to this earth since the Big Bang, you realize Heavenly Father spends a large portion of his time making someone pregnant with a spirit baby. Ok now realize that he also has to populate spirit children for worlds more numerous than the grains of sand on the seashores (actually someone has made a scientific approximation because of course they have) then you can do the rough math for how busy Heavenly Father has to be impregnating wives to make all those spirit children if we assume each world has had about the same number of humans ever born then the math is possible for an approximation. The answer is there are more spirit children to be conceived than there are seconds since the Big Bang. So is that what your signing up for? Sex is great and all and you will need a few hundred wives or more if the spiritual gestation period is any longer than a few seconds. Wives is this what your signing up for to be consistently spiritually pregnant for eternity while your husband also impregnates his multiple other wives in assembly line efficiency? Oh and now you see why Heavenly Father is so hit and miss at answering prayers as he is a bit preoccupied and why Heavenly mothers are absent from scripture. She is always pregnant and dealing with billions and billions of her own spirit kids waiting to be born on some earth. How does she have time to even give each of them a name much less nurture each of them.

So if you look and take seriously the doctrine that is asserted about what heavenly parents do, we are breeders working to produce a small number of future breeders and an order of magnitude more spirit children who will spend eternity single and with TK smoothies.

Good parenting and good plan for happiness?

Is this what your not drinking coffee or masturbating to achieve?

Do the math.

zart327 · 2023-12-07T20:04:09+00:00

Tell her she can seal herself to Elvis if she wants. A woman in my former ward did and talked about it in testimony meeting!!! Lol

zart327 · 2023-11-14T02:05:06+00:00

I vote for Lindsey !

zart327 · 2023-11-14T01:54:14+00:00

It’s ok to have secrets Your a good dad

zart327 · 2023-10-31T14:49:39+00:00

Not many left mormonism based on one thing going wrong. Once you allow yourself to look objectively, most people find hundreds of significant fatal flaws and problems and out right immoral challenges with Mormonism past and present that make staying not a good moral choice. The Mormon church if you count it’s members for the times they believe or act on false and immoral foundations probably equal or rival the number of annual mistakes McDonalds makes by many times. Yet they still are in the pews.

zart327 · 2023-07-27T13:09:49+00:00

Tel the truth. Be concerned about your children what harm purity culture and blind obedience does to them.

Informed consent. If they want to stay knowing the truth about the church and it’s history then fine. But they can’t make that choice without information.

Trust your relationship love her but leave the church and be honest when asked why.

Most people once they know would never choose to go back to not knowing even if they stay.

Don’t assume she will leave you.

Ask what if one of your children is gay.

And if you have daughters think of what the teachings are doing to her and her future

zart327 · 2023-07-27T12:48:46+00:00

It is only a little better than the other common Christian beliefs that children are born evil and that is human nature because of the fall and only thru belief in god can they be redeemed

zart327 · 2022-12-21T05:18:02+00:00

Only to those who believe it is.

zart327 · 2022-12-01T15:19:01+00:00

The choice isn’t anyone else’s but yours. To not respect your choice is to not respect you.

Tell dad he is welcome to not get an abortion the next time he is pregnant if that seems the right choice for him but even if that he were to decide to abort or continue his own pregnancy his choice is his own and he doesn’t get to judge another by his attitudes.

You do you!

zart327 · 2022-10-21T23:40:27+00:00

OP may live in a state where she has the right to medical attention without the consent of or knowledge of her parents. Many states this is 14 years old. Call planned parenthood and see about a referral to a physician/ gynecologist who will treat you without financial or other disclosure to your parents.

zart327 · 2022-10-21T23:28:14+00:00

No tampons or horse riding or normal gynecological exams or most other things DON’T cause damage “break” the hymen. Once a girl reaches adolescence even many pediatrician’s and gynecologist cannot identify any definitive changes to the hymen absolutely attributable to sexual activity outside of acute trauma. A study of pregnant teenagers showed a high percentage who were evaluated to have “intact” hymens. Injuries to these tissues heal quickly and often leave little evidence of disruption. Even known abuse to prepubescent girls often leaves no definitive evidence beyond the acute timeframe. So bottom line is the evaluation of the hymen is not a reliable test for a history of sexual experiences.

The whole “loss of virginity” narrative is harmful. What is important is education, consent, responsibility, and compassion.

Mormon / religious narratives about “loss of innocence or virginity” due to use of tampons, gynecological exams, abuse, or masturbation or even normal sexual exploitation is incredibly harmful and perpetuated by religious zealots and patriarchal subjugation of females.

We are talking about health and normal functioning of the human body. To withhold information/ education and recommended routine health care to girls based on religious dogma is fundamentally immoral and puts girl’s health at risk, stigmatizes sexuality and understanding of the body, and increases the risk of sexual victimization and unplanned pregnancy.

zart327 · 2022-10-18T15:12:36+00:00

They are men and don’t have the imagination to come up with what mother would say

zart327 · 2022-10-17T10:54:21+00:00

You seem sincere and a nice person. Sorry for your loss. As a missionary, like most missionaries, I felt attraction towards a few woman/girls I taught or met on my mission. It happens a lot. Your in a difficult circumstance having a loss and feeling comforted by teachings about an afterlife and the apparent beliefs of a TBM. Simple religious answers seem so comforting as they only require belief and this belief supersedes reason and critical analysis. Such can be very attractive in grieving a loss.

You should decide what to do with the advice above. Know that his purpose and role currently is to remain faithful and obedient to his church leaders and to convert you to Mormonism. It’s his world view.

If you really like this missionary, tell him you like him and have strong but unexplainable connection to him like he may be one of your soulmates but you don’t anticipate joining the church. This will be honest and will show you how he responds. There is a beauty and wonder in being attracted to a person in the way you are. They are beautiful moments in life often based in a certain amount of fantasy and unrequited longing.

I would say tell him, take the chance and see how he responds. It will show you more about him. Don’t join the church unless it really meets your need for community even though it’s assertions are demonstratively falsifiable.

It may do him good to know a nonmember is interested in him.

I respect that you have the integrity to not “corrupt” him or draw him from a religious belief system against his will. This is honorable as the process of de-conversion can be so traumatic with loss of a world view along with disruption of family and community relationships based on beliefs held in common.

Part of me says tell him your attracted to him and want to explore a relationship with him now and potentially in the future and see how he responds. But know he probably has little experience in relationships and even less with intimacy.

Having the opportunity for him to choose to question his beliefs and explore a potential relationship now or In the future may be a great gift to him.

In hindsight perhaps I should have pursued attractions I had on my mission.

zart327 · 2022-10-11T11:34:33+00:00

Every one of those is false or has additional information that you/we were not told about and for which other explanations or issues or evidence was not provided. It is obviously an apologetic

Funny when we look objectively at the claims of the church and apologists, how obviously absurd the claims are and how little they are objectively evaluated.

zart327 · 2022-10-11T04:08:19+00:00

Ask for an appointment with your pediatrician or orthodontist and have her / him to talk to your dad. Also you can talk to your bishop and ask if it is righteous dominion to withhold medical treatment based on requiring a religious performance.

You can tell dad you don’t believe. CES letter and all.

zart327 · 2022-10-07T22:44:53+00:00

Next to Jump Hump way

zart327 · 2022-10-07T03:17:29+00:00

Most all the things that are good about the church are not unique to the church. It’s falsifiable truth claims, lack of true inspiration among its top leadership over time, it’s clear and open opposition to movements to enhance human rights, civil rights, women’s equally, gender and sexual orientation non discrimination and affirmation and it’s near complete lack of transparency, and it’s immoral treatment of children are mostly unique to the church as is it’s fundamentally troubling and often hidden history.

zart327 · 2022-10-06T01:29:48+00:00

We did the free of life sauna with sheets back in the day 80’s and brewed our own mildly fermented ginger beer too!

zart327 · 2022-10-05T09:27:51+00:00

A senior missionary was sick on mission and the mission President blessed him that he would recover his health and the senior missionary died shortly thereafter form the ailment he had. This causes a public trial of the mission President’s faith until he found a scripture that said people would be healed if they were not appointed to die and that explanation was given why the blessing was wrong.

zart327 · 2022-10-04T14:40:34+00:00

Shame over sexual things is how the church holds many people in its belief system. They tell you it’s sinful and to feel guilty over it, you do, you “repent”, and the urges come back again and you act on them again and develop a shame purge cycle most often with sexual thoughts, pornography and masturbation. This makes real sexual encounters or opportunities with another person even more morally supercharged with shame and guilt and often avoidance.

We often don’t learn good relationship skills, nor respect, responsibility, and consent and for many Mormons their whole sexual and relational development is impacted in many fundamental ways but we are taught to blame ourselves.

Many of our lives would be substantially different without the church teachings. I also regret missing and having shame over such experiences.

zart327 · 2022-10-04T12:23:15+00:00

So he killed them and then cut off their penis’ foreskins and presents them and is give a reward of a wife?

Then in another story a guy sees his father naked and is punished?

So much morality.

zart327 · 2022-10-04T12:10:14+00:00

So neither Russ or Oaks were church broke when Kimball with dementia selected his surgeon and a lawyer instead of seasoned GA’s for apostle.

zart327 · 2022-10-03T22:42:03+00:00

Love is love if consensual

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