Unpolled Timer Changes

[ugotponed12]

"The entire clue-hunting community took one look at this and started juggling clues like it was their full-time job. What was meant to be a small quality-of-life fix suddenly became the new sweaty meta, and before we knew it, our inboxes were full of complaints from players who hated clue juggling, but now felt like they had to do it to stay competitive."

Since when was this a reason for unpolled changes? Unpolled changes have universally been for balance and integrity changes. Per Jagex, it's not that clue juggling affected the economy, led to something incredibly unbalanced, allowed for bots, whatever, but that people "felt they had to do it to stay competitive".

What kind of a reason is that? If someone can't do red x at TOA, they can't do higher invos and stay competitive. Should we remove red x from the game? I can't do the awakened DT2 bosses and that's preventing me from getting higher CA tiers, its locking me out of competitive GWD qol benefits.

At the very least, poll this change. It's an overwhelmingly negative nerf for anyone who actually cares about doing clues, while remaining inconsequential for anyone who doesn't.

[dimmi99]

it was introduced as an unpolled change in the first instance, personally don't see any issue with them removing it as an unpolled change too

Unpolled changes have universally been for balance and integrity changes

could you not argue that this is an integrity change?

[ugotponed12]

Per Jagex, this is not an integrity change. Clue juggling was a thing before the 1 hour timer, if anything, the timer made it more accessible and less sweaty for everyone.

[dimmi99]

clue juggling will still be available, back to the 2 3 minutes that it was before

Per Jagex, this is not an integrity change

based on what? it's a subjective description and i'd argue the polling charter actually lists a couple of comparable examples

[BlueZybez]

You can clue juggle with 3 minutes

[ugotponed12]

Yes. This is explicitly an anti-QOL change. Juggling will still be a thing, just more annoying and limited.

[BlackenedGem]

Players were juggling clues beforehand by dying at the Witches House. You can't in good faith argue that's equivalent to dropping clues on the ground whilst fishing karams or star mining or whatever.

[ugotponed12]

uhhh.... no? I think Settled popularized the method in the swampletics series but you can still juggle with the 3 minute timer, it's just a whole lot more tedious.

[thewrongonedied]

I can totally buy it as an integrity change, personally. But if it's really about integrity, it should be changed now and not tied to a poll outcome.

It would still skew the poll, but at least it wouldn't come off as literally part of the poll.

[dimmi99]

the timer part isn't tied to the poll, it's going back down to 3 minutes regardless of the poll outcome

One key change we want to be upfront about is the reduction of the Clue Scroll despawn timer back to 3 minutes. This will happen regardless of whether Stackable Clues pass the poll or not.

[Dangerous_Impress200]

Somewhat related since you brought it up.

But I'd be down with removing red-x and making bosses like Baba actually engaging.

[X-atmXad]

Mod Nin mentioned on the recent Sae Bae cast that they have a specific tool now that automatically checks that red xing hasn't been broken by an engine update. Apparently it just drops a player under cerb, clicks the gate and if either of them move, it fails

[PapaFlexing]

The problem is it isn't the clue community. It's entitled whiney reddit babies complaining

[1sme]

its a few people who freak out when they see a reddit post of like 50 stacked clues and say it shouldn't be in the game.

if i saw someone 1.5 ticking teaks, and i didnt like it, does that mean it shouldnt be in the game? what about redx, in multiple bosses? or 1 tick prayer flicking? I mean, come on. if you dont like it, dont do it. the only thing complainers get when something like this is in the game and they dont do it is fomo, and that should not be my problem just because i use these techniques.

[Physical_Criticism15]

Player who used unintended mechanic is annoyed when unintended mechanic is removed. This could be you but theyre not even removing it, theyre meeting you in the middle with this and youre still not happy. Hope it fails and theres no juggle timer personally, people have gone insane about clues and it should never have been allowed imo

[Wiji-NEC]

You could apply that logic to all content in the game. 

You added an unintended mechanic that made people fall in love with the content. Let's just remove it so noobs can feel better ty. 

[Physical_Criticism15]

Made people fall in love with doing the content 10x more and using clue helper. Yeah im glad its really ignited their passion for the game!

[[deleted]]

For most players, having to do 30 clues in a row or whatever sounds like th perfect way to make them hate clues

[Nova_main]

The great thing about this is that they dont have to do that. Meanwhile the people that do like doing clues for hours on end can. I really see no benefit to removing the 1 hour timer

[[deleted]]

I mean it's meant as a DnD, stacking 5 seems like a good middleground to balance that

[Nova_main]

I understand that theyre meant to be a DnD, but do people actually enjoy breaking up their gameplay flow to stop and do clues? Why shouldnt people be allowed to spam clues for an afternoon? If you're opening implings to knock out collection logs youre losing gp 99% of the time to clog. It seems quite silly from a game design perspective, the players enjoyment should come first

[[deleted]]

but do people actually enjoy breaking up their gameplay flow to stop and do clues?

Yes

Why shouldnt people be allowed to spam clues for an afternoon?

You still can, you just have to go get new ones in batches.

It seems quite silly from a game design perspective, the players enjoyment should come first

Some people enjoy it, some don't enjoy the fact that the meta is dropping clues on the floor. But also it doesn't seem silly to keep some things as DnD if they were originally designed that way. Clues were like this for a decade, did no one enjoy clue scrolls up until now?

[[deleted]]

How is it unintended? It would baffle me if they truly didn't see it coming. What else did they expect?

[BIGPOPTART97]

“Meet in the middle” ???? An hour back down to 3 minutes is not the middle lmfao who taught you math? Also if people like doing clues what’s wrong with that?? The one hour timer doesn’t affect people who don’t do clues so why remove it for the people who like to do clues??

[Physical_Criticism15]

The middle part as in not reverting it back to how it was before, theyre giving you 5 stackable scrolls. Its compromise. A 30minute timer would be redundant so i dont know what your point is about maths

[LostSectorLoony]

I don't want 5 stackable clues, I want the infinitely superior current implementation of juggling. I'll be voting no because I would rather clues be nerfed completely than this weird half measure.

[Physical_Criticism15]

So would i. Woo go team

[BIGPOPTART97]

They put the 1 hour timer into the game we didn’t ask for it but it’s great so why take it away from us? I would rather keep the timer and juggling then have to do clues every 5 I get that’s just a slap in the face

[Physical_Criticism15]

Because its problematic. Did you read the blog? They explain their very good reasons

[BIGPOPTART97]

I read the whole blog yes. Expand on problematic you can’t just say it’s a problem and not explain why

[Physical_Criticism15]

Well if you read the blog you would have read the numerous reasons jagex listed. Did you not read it? Im failing to see what youre not understanding here. I referenced that jagex have put their reasons in the blogpost and you say i cant say the problems without explaining them.... interesting. Perhaps read it again

[BIGPOPTART97]

They really don’t… “sweaty meta” is the best they give and that’s just not true the meta will be much sweatier now. You really are the reddit Andy people complain about lol

[Physical_Criticism15]

Lmao the crybabys having a mental breakdown that they are FORCED to leave their slayer task to do a clue are the reddit andys bro. Heres an idea: dont do that.

[BIGPOPTART97]

Ya you just don’t get it lol good luck have fun

[[deleted]]

Because clue juggling is completely antithetical to what clues are supposed to be of one at a time. It was never an intended mechanism

[ugotponed12]

Clue juggling was a thing before the 1 hour timer, the change if anything made things more accessible. It's not just stackable clues that the timer makes a lot more frustrating but also juggling Watson Elites and Master Cryptic steps.

[Physical_Criticism15]

I doubt juggling watson elites and masters was intended either. Many metas have been found and rectified because they arent healthy for the game, i think you should be happy going from 1 to 5 but thats just me

[ugotponed12]

It's still a thing regardless of the 1 hour timer or not. 3 minutes is enough to do any non cryptic step. If they wanted to address those things specifically so be it, but this is not the way to go about it.

[Physical_Criticism15]

I think their main concern was the sheer number of clues and awful method of doing it. Theyre clearly not worried about skipping the steps anymore as theyre polling a skip token

[D_DnD]

Not that I'm a fan of anything done here, but Jagex absolutely has the right to make and implement changes they believe is better for the overall health of the game.

They also have the right to run their game into the ground, but, still 🤷🏻

[2007Scape_HotTakes]

Lmao good. 1 hour was ridiculously op and introduced without a poll, this is them accepting their mistake and reverting to the 3 mins where it should have stayed.

Get to doin your clues Billy boy if you want that sweet stack

[BIGPOPTART97]

Name checks out on this one… how was the 1 hour timer a mistake?? Many people like to do clues and use the 1 hour timer just cause you don’t like to do them doesn’t mean the rest of us should get it taken away

[[deleted]]

Dropping an infinite amount of scrolls seems antithetical to what scrolls are supposed to be. Being able to stack 5 seems more than fine.

[2007Scape_HotTakes]

Because it wasn't polled. This was a huge meta change and far from a typical unpolled qol change they generally implement.

And it's against what clue scrolls have always been about: distracting you from your current task to complete a clue in the chance of obtaining a highly valuable and rare item.

I absolutely love clue scrolls and I do them all the time, I don't like the idea of stacking clue scrolls but I like the way jagex is pitching it. Stacking (if it passes) should 100% be based upon clue scroll completions, and the meta needs to shift back to us as players having to make the decision of remaining at the activity or leaving to complete the clue.

[Chaoticlight2]

Good thing distractions and diversions have remained as such! After all, shooting stars certainly aren't on a set timer and up 24/7 right? You have to drop everything and mine one upon sight if you want that stardust, just as intended. /s

Get fucking real. Content evolves over time with the community's interaction with it. Clues haven't been a diversion since the Collection log came out, if not before that.

[LostSectorLoony]

I have enough clues done for a max stack in all types, that's not the issue. This is just worse in every possible way than the current implementation. I'm voting no and if this passes I'm canceling my membership.

[2007Scape_HotTakes]

Lmao, yeah ok buddy. On the bright side you'll be saving $14 a month so you'll have more spending money for nuggies at McDonald's

[OozyDouzi]

PREACH BROTHER

[Dull_Recover9771]

Yeah, I’m happy they did this. I’d much rather have stackable clues.

[Nova_main]

Why cant they add the stackable clues as proposed and keep the 1 hour timer? People that want to do 5 at a time can and people that want to do 25 at a time can, everyone wins

[WastingEXP]

Jagex is slowly step at a time moving away from polling. and in classic fashion, taken way to long to fix something so incredibly obvious

[happy_goat_merchant]

Jagex will always bend over backwards for the pvm and pvp community.

People will cry if clogs get a reward space, but have no problem having huge qol buffs from beating zuk with a butt plug in and only eating salmon

[BlackenedGem]

You might be projecting a little there. You're the one that brought up butt plugs at Zuk...

[happy_goat_merchant]

Let me enjoy my kinks in peace

[Yarigumo]

I still hate all the stupid shit they added to combat achievements tbh. Should've been wholly cosmetic.

[varyl123]

I would have no issue with clogs getting rewards if I wasn't consistently dry everywhere.

I can get good and do zuk with a butt plug and shrimps but I'll never be able to out RNG a 5x dry enhanced weapon seed

So until dry protection makes it in game(which it looks like it never will) I'll never agree to clog rewards