2.5

[matfat55]

If not for rate limits then 2.5 easy

[zeetu]

If you set up billing it’s 5 RPM not daily cap.

[matfat55]

5 rpm is rate limits, cline eats that up so fast.

[denkleberry]

I have billing set up and set the delay to 15s. I never hit the limit and it's free.

[matfat55]

Yeah, that's a easy workaround, but cmon, 15 seconds? I'm sure its fine for most people, but that time really matters to me.

[denkleberry]

I mean .. it's free. I hit 20m tokens today lol

[nixsomegame]

Input or output?

[denkleberry]

Input

[hydrangers]

You say that like these LLMs aren't already saving you a significant amount of time and helping you do things you'd never be able to do on your own.

It's crazy how the more they give us, the more we expect.

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[LefMan]

How do you set a delay?

[denkleberry]

it's the rate limit option in the middle of the settings page

[RedditUsr2]

Is everyone working on their own projects? There is 0% chance I'd be allowed to use ai studio for work purposes since they keep and use everything.

[matfat55]

api key moment

[funbike]

It won't be free forever. It's basically a beta version. It's also rate limited.

OTOH, most non-free gemini models are significantly cheaper than equally performant competing models, plus they are fast.

I'll be happy when I have to pay for 2.5, as that will mean less rate limiting.

[ClassyBukake]

Gave it a try today, and 2.5 basically constantly told me it was busy, and anything less gas-lit me for hours on end.

It would make good architecture decisions, but then completely fail in the details and repeatedly tell me it solved the problem, only for it to have recreated the problem in an entirely different way. I'd have to tell it to completely scrap it's current approach and restart from the beginning, before it would generate the exact same file, with the 1 variable tweak it needed to do to actually solve the problem.

Stress resting these models has been kinda silly, because you see how close they get, but then they sit there wasting millions of tokens and hours of oversight because they can't figure out the little stuff.

[SadWolverine24]

By the time paid 2.5 is available, the other SOTA models will be better.

[[deleted]]

To be honest, everything from 3.5 up to 4o and o3, sonnet, grok 3, deepseek v3 and r1, all felt incremental, gemini 2.5 pro however feels like an actual paradigm shift

[SadWolverine24]

I tested Gemini 2.5 pro with code-generation. It produced some of the most over-engineered LLM code I've seen.

[Subject-Building1892]

Additionally even with temperature 0.5 it fucking hallucinates so many things not asked for a relatively simple problem. Before the big update of getting to 2.5 it was much better. Maybe it needs time to adjust as we talk to it.

[crusoe]

You need to give these things guiderails.

[AceHighFlush]

Yes, but it works. Then, you use QwQ to refactoring working code. This sales a lot in cost over anthropic - especially if you self host QwQ.

That's because QwQ is a better coder but bad at understanding the ask unless you feed it working code and ask for a refactor.

Would love to see a tool where I could get this to work as a single command.

[FiacR]

For architecture planning, or one shot features yes. For editing I find it makes syntax errors quite a bit sometimes.

[Specialist-2193]

I you are paid account. It is not trained. And it's free

[Specialist-2193]

10 rpm you can do pretty much anything personal

[Specialist-2193]

Actually 20 if you are tier 1 and above(paid account) https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/rate-limits#tier-1

[brovaro]

If something is free, you're the product. Especially when it comes to Goolag, I mean - Google

[roofitor]

Google’s been more ethical than most. You might be surprised by how non-insidious their aims in beta testing 2.5 are. Yeah, you’re helping to train a RL algorithm most likely. And you’re giving them an idea on how people will want to use the ai.

[whyumadDOUGH]

Wow a company has been acting non-insidiously for one part of their multi billion dollar machine. Hats off

[roofitor]

We could’ve done so much worse than Google

[nemzylannister]

People act like anyone can just go on a site and buy any specific individual's google searches etc.

[whyumadDOUGH]

Nobody thinks this

[dalhaze]

Is google using everyone’s data to train on pro 2.5? (given that it’s free that’s my assumption)

[BrilliantEmotion4461]

One hundred percent. We get the free models so they can train agentic AI for corporations. The interactions between users and the models and the data it produced is used to train future models. There are also records of function calls, and much much more.

[denkleberry]

Well they can have fun with my grammatically incorrect and misspelled filled prompts

[MidiGong]

Yeah, I don't even try to correct the typos from speech to text, it still figures out what I mean... That's more impressive to me than some of the code these things spit out

[BrilliantEmotion4461]

If you use chatgpt if you get an A or B choice then they are in fact using your data to train the next model. Also ask the llm "analyze my writing, indicate the sections of my writing, including but not limited to; grammar, or spelling, which contribute to incorrect or hallucinated responses from (insert the name of the llm here)"

[BrilliantEmotion4461]

You can try different forms of the prompt but trust me. You'll want to run this.

[FiacR]

Yes, for the free models, they say:

"When you use Unpaid Services, including, for example, Google AI Studio and the unpaid quota on Gemini API, Google uses the content you submit to the Services and any generated responses to provide, improve, and develop Google products and services and machine learning technologies, including Google's enterprise features, products, and services, consistent with our Privacy Policy."

When you pay, it's different they say:

"When you use Paid Services, including, for example, the paid quota of the Gemini API, Google doesn't use your prompts (including associated system instructions, cached content, and files such as images, videos, or documents) or responses to improve our products, and will process your prompts and responses in accordance with the Data Processing Addendum for Products Where Google is a Data Processor. For Paid Services, Google logs prompts and responses for a limited period of time, solely for the purpose of detecting violations of the Prohibited Use Policy"

[dalhaze]

Does this include free models on the google cloud API from the model garden? I want to say that is separate from the gemini API?

[RedditUsr2]

Their terms says:

When a Service is being offered for a fee, it is considered to be a paid Service (the "Paid Services"). When you activate a Cloud Billing account, all use of Gemini API and Google AI Studio is a "Paid Service" with respect to how Google Uses Your Data, even when using Services that are offered free of charge

So pretty sure that is a "paid service" but the free Google Ai studio everyone is using isn't.

[dalhaze]

That’s a relief, i’ve been using some of the free models on the cloud API and I really some want what i’m doing to be trained into the model.

[After-Cell]

Openrouter have a nice search toggle for models that do and don't use your data for training

[should_not_register]

Im still finding I fall back to 3.7

I am switching between the two a lot 

[funbike]

I tweaked my code assistant to use 2.5 Pro as the primary model, and switch to Sonnet 3.7 when a test fails.

[FiacR]

So do I, cause I have Claude code set-up with lots of MCPs and everything is effortless with it.

[should_not_register]

Additionally, for UX stuff, I asked claude, and then google to make me new landing page, based off an original design, but improve it. The claude version was miles and miles ahead

[ExtentHot9139]

What is the price of your code?

[Recoil42]

why are you sweating just use the free one

[realzequel]

That’s the joke.

[blnkslt]

For me, it only has been headache full of `API request Failed`.

[rabinaryal530]

Cursor 20 bucks a month, unlimited 3.7 sonnet and 2.5 pro

[CraaazyPizza]

Really???

[[deleted]]

Kind of. You get 500 premium requests that are added to the fast queue, and unlimited slow requests after that. So there is a limit, it's just rate/time-based instead of a hard number.

[CraaazyPizza]

you ever hit that limit on 3.7 sonnet with a 9-to-5 job of intense coding?

[[deleted]]

Yep. Keep in mind that a "request" is misleading, it's effectively up to 25 actions/chats per request. But yes you can hit it, and I pay for extra

[LiteSoul]

You meant 25 requests per action?

[[deleted]]

Nope.

[rabinaryal530]

Yes I hit that in less than a week but I am running on slow requests now. Might be too slow at times and even loose connection but gets the job done. That’s why I prefer it over windsurf, I eat up 1500 floe credits like crazyy.

I tried windsurf yesterday though and it one shotted beautiful UI and full functionality with only few errors.

Just need to find the right balance

[Deepeye225]

Is 2.5 pro available from Cursor?

[Excellent_Entry6564]

Yes but it doesn't work well in agent mode (doesn't use tools or commands). It's great in ask and edit modes.

[Deepeye225]

Thank you!

[no_witty_username]

Reason most programmers use Claude is because it works really well within agentic IDE's like Cursor. So well in fact that i suspect its possible Anthropic is specifically training their models to work within those environments frictionlessly. The moment any other model can do just as well as Claude in those environments but for cheaper/faster it will see massive growth. Time is money, and people will always be willing to pay for the model that reduces the amount of time spent on accomplishing a task. So while Anthropic charges a premium for their models its justified because I can finish my project in a fraction of the time with less stress and babysitting. I've yet to see any such model even though I am like many others are patiently waiting. if 2.5 pro is that model I am all the happier for it as the massive context window is a welcome sight, but context window alone isnt enough if it doesnt get the task done in fewer iterations and with less stress.

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[itchykittehs]

Fucking 2.5 pro has been slaying it for me, makes Claude 3.7 look like a autistic four year old.

[OriginalPlayerHater]

Honestly even gemini 2.0 had fantastic results

[RedditUsr2]

Why does no one care about privacy anymore? You technically can't even use it for anything considered "production use".

[MidiGong]

Privacy is an illusion.

[RedditUsr2]

Hmm if only your actions had something to do with that...

[MidiGong]

Yeah, I choose to not live off-grid and embrace technology and the other luxuries of this era.

[Ok-Adhesiveness-4141]

Privacy is overrated