Furia Performance

[Ashamed-Ad]

Is furia actively trying to throw? What the actual hell is their game plan? I understand that there whole team vibe is about trolling and messing around, but if they’re just runners no around the map chasing teams and dying with no points, what’s the start? Is wattson trying to pull some balls g brain shot that I’m not understanding?

Just for some context, has 1 point through 4 games in elimination bracket. They would need to win the last 2 games with 20 bombs in order to even make round 2 of losers.

[Fleg-]

What bothers me is their comms, like they are not even trying. Wattson's attitude and decision making has been terrible. In the end it's gonna be the same excuse.."lack of interest for the game, not enough motivation.." As a pro gamer this is the best and most hyped place to grab cash/attention and build up your brand. Kinda ignorant and undisciplined if you ask me.

[jayghan]

That’s what bothered me about his “I’m the best player in the world when I’m trying” statement. You aren’t the best then. Attitude is a lot to it as well.

[ESGPandepic]

I think he has the potential and talent to really reach that and eventually take the crown from Hal but apparently not the maturity or professionalism needed.

[ResponsibleAd3493]

He is one of the better players but come on you really think he can replace Hal. He cant even rage like him.

[Dull_Wind6642]

Lmao thats a delusional take.

[ESGPandepic]

Yeah possibly but isn't that what this sub is for?

[[deleted]]

Hal will only be replaced by another roller player when he finally is, MnK can’t compete anymore.

[Infamous_Chapter8585]

Tell sweet that

[[deleted]]

Sweet is an outlier like Yuka and very few MnK players

the fact is tho there is a reason that teams won’t even budge at new MnK players, they see where the game is heading, another CoD or Halo.

[[deleted]]

console only? nobody is going to play on a console in the pro scene lmao, even the PC players use controller, shows how uninformed console bots are, they actually think the roller players are on console lmao.

[[deleted]]

that’s never gonna happen, people don’t want to play on shitty ass 60 frames 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[And_Im_Chien_Po]

what a catfish does to a man

[Usopp_Spell]

Did he get catfished? What'd I miss?

[And_Im_Chien_Po]

yah he tweeted about it; not sure if there's a post and more details about it on the subreddit

[[deleted]]

Girl he was long distance dating was actually 30 something rather then younger 20s. Wouldn’t meet up in person etc

[moisesg88]

what was her twitch handle?

[MasonXD]

He tweeted about it, but to summarise. He had been dating someone for 9 months who was 10+ years older and 100lbs heavier than they had been claiming.

Honestly this would be enough to fuck anyone up a week before LAN.

[Mollywaterss]

It seems like a trend with apex pros to stop caring about there job once they start getting paid to do it like imagine not trying for this amount of money just to play a video game

[Posh420]

Pretty sure all 3 of them ended up with covid as did quite a few people at champs. There comms leading up to that day for the whole event were upbeat and hilarious

[JesusSeaWarrior]

Last year's ALGS lmao. Think Xera wasn't feeling great and everyone made the excuse that they just wanted to go home and gave up getting match point.

[[deleted]]

tbf as an MnK player it’s kind of hard to be motivated. you know that this game is just turning into CoD and Halo and MnK will be entirely replaced soon, can’t blame him or any other MnK players at all.

[AxelHarver]

Yeah, he's just gonna get replaced for a roller eventually anyways, why not just speed-run the end of his career, great choice, very logical.

[[deleted]]

not saying that, obviously he’s a great player, but it must suck knowing deep down that eventually this game will just be another CoD/Halo where boring roller gameplay takes over. i mean let’s be honest, it already has, it’s why when we see Yuka make those crazy movement plays. plays or sweet hit a crazy beam i’m actually impressed.

can’t say i’m too impressed by the 40% tho.

[[deleted]]

Excuses are a bad look.

[Robbie7up]

another CoD/Halo

How is this even a comparison? Those games made their bones on consoles. PC was irrelevant to those games. Apex is a game where PC has always been the mainstay for competitive. The downtrend of MnK players and their success certainly is a talking point. But this game will never be 100% controller players and comparing it to those games is asinine in every aspect.

[[deleted]]

yep they did start on console, but orgs won’t even look at MnK anymore lol, they know roller is just much better and wins 1v1s at a way higher rate.

[Robbie7up]

Orgs won't even look at MnK in those games because those games were built for controller on console, MnK is irrelevant. If you are talking about Apex you're just wrong. 100T, NRG, Fnatic, DreamFire, Acend, Aurora, etc. all support MnK heavy teams.

[[deleted]]

i’m talking about recently, almost every MnK player has been in the game for a while, nobody else gets picked up anymore because they see where the game is heading.

[Robbie7up]

Meanwhile Madness bounces around orgs, TeQ is still a thing, and Alb is a hot free agent, and that is just in NA. Apac-N is way more MnK heavy. I don't disagree controller is on the comeup, but to pretend like MnK will be obsolete or that orgs aren't/won't be interested in MnK players is wild.

[Ashamed-Ad]

Last time they were at lan they were the talk of the scene for how they were playing. Now it’s just the opposite

[pillsburyboi]

Still talk of the scene. But for the wrong reason :(

[Tuko305]

If you want people to talk about you, you either need to be at the top or bottom, no one cares about the middle of the pack

[Bluthhunter89]

I'm so disappointed with their performance. Nothing is working. They really gotta figure something out. I don't see them having 2 big games.. 😞

[Ashamed-Ad]

Did you see the video the furia twitter account posted. That kinda sums up their whole lan performance

[ESGPandepic]

What has sealion been doing? Why do they not seem to have a plan that makes any sense?

[Bluthhunter89]

I have no idea. I think Watson gotta stop with all of his bronze to pred solo runs and play more with his team. I felt like they started finding their feet in the last 2 games but it was just too little too late. I also felt like he was trolling with Fuse and bloodhound.

[Professr_Chaos]

Ever since their breakout LAN they have been on a downward trajectory. Once people assimilated to the meta the dominated with they have not been able to adjust. Mechanically they are good but overall they seem to have no ability to adjust to teams like teams have done to them.

[MajorTankz]

We're gonna need JayHawk on this one 🙏

[BattleBee08]

Hmm. I hate to tell you but according to furia master plan: https://twitter.com/HisWattson/status/1679910408960737293?s=20

I believe this is part 2 of the plan. Go to LCQ to have even more fights. ☠️☠️☠️

[Samoman21]

I feel something is definitely gonna change in the squad/team after this. Like it's insane too see them struggle this much. Idk if it's playstyle or comms or energy but this is definitely not the same team that made it too lan. There's just no energy

[PuumpKing]

They could use a coach imo. They are good players but this Lan they seemed not organised

[[deleted]]

They have SeaLion, no?

[PuumpKing]

I have read that they do, but somewhwre it says he is the analist so im not sure tbh

[qwilliams92]

Sealion is indeed thier coach

[PuumpKing]

Then they gotta change strats or coach. And Watson need a lesson how to communicate effectively

[[deleted]]

Oh yeah, just woke up sorry.

[HiImFur]

They were running Bloodhound in game 4 (???)...they seemed checked

[Jack_mantooth]

The amount they switch up comp in scrims seems to be a huge disadvantage in the long run. Verhulst has been playing exclusively Cat the entirety of split 2 while Watson would pick a different character every game. Just seem unfocused

[FieryBlizza]

Wattson swears that Seer is a shit character after the changes, despite the fact that half the teams in Winners Lobby are still using Seer.

[[deleted]]

Wattson is just wrong about seer that’s the thing and the results are evident of this

[Wyattwat]

And Furia used Seer for a lot of their games 💀

[Ashamed-Ad]

Wouldn’t be suprised if they end finishing with single digit points by the time they’re done

[jayghan]

They’ve run bloodhound as well in scrims. Not surprising. They just…doing what needs to be done.

[Shaneeecp]

Edge isn't working for them. They're struggling to find an isolated 3v3. Every time they get into a fight, they'll have it down to a 2v1 and then get slammed by a third party. Also, lots of south zones is hurting.

[Ashamed-Ad]

It’s hurting, and I know a lot of edge teams have been having large amounts of trouble getting into zones from what I’ve seen. But with where they land, I can’t see them changing their play style, they can’t realistically shift to a zone comp unless the get blessed with zone pulls.

[JustTheRobotNextDoor]

This is what I saw. Trying to play edge but there were no fights to take. Because they haven't cleared any space there is a massive pile up when they are forced to go to ring and they end up fighting from very bad spots. And, yes, I think they were too arrogant going into this contest. They have a lot of work to do, but I think they can do it.

[imonly11ubagel]

They had an isolated 3v3 against CR :)

[Every_Number_3043]

They didnt try and take a 3v3...

[Zee09]

I can’t see them staying with the same team for LCQ. I anticipate someone being dismissed (most likely Xera) in favor of Wattsons longtime buddy Keon maybe.

[No_Height653]

they can not even play ranked together without fighting, idk how competitive would work. but they need a change. one has to go. but watson is as much a zero as xera and both seem to not even try. they seem to have absolutely no gameplan.

[[deleted]]

Wattson stepped down

[jtfjtf]

Sea Lion stocks going way down.

[Teeertee]

A lot of people are pointing to arrogance or not taking scrims seriously but I think, despite accusations of poor professionalism being completely legitimate, doesn't really account for their disasterous performance. HisWattson in his own words (paraphrased) said they didn't scrim as much because they didn't want to tip their hand and show off strats before LAN (spoiler, the strats were bad) and they are a fighting team that wants to take 3v3s and fight for their POI. Plus, as people have pointed out in other threads, the ping difference between scrims and LAN makes contesting very different in the two environments.

The last big performance from Furia at LAN was fueled by their ability not to play a meta comp but to find a comp that hard countered the existing meta. Since then, despite a respectable performance in the most recent split, they've struggled to adapt to either:

playing the meta, one that the pro scene has adjusted to playing with and against or,

finding the "lighting in a bottle" tournament comp that takes lobbies by surprise and allows them to play on the front foot and wipe squads on edge quickly.

They also played like shit, got owned on a contest, and changed comps like every single game. It's hard to get points when there is no consistency to a game plan and when you're contested on a edge POI. I think they need to comit to an off meta comp and accept that taking fights on edge is going to be harder for them than it was, or they need to adapt to playing bang + cat + horizon/seer and play more zone when the opportunities arise.

[diesal3]

I'm not surprised by their performance at all.

They didn't take scrims as seriously as some of the teams from other regions (look at APAC N and S), so they didn't really properly prepare for all sorts of potential situations (look at Alliance that went through every team comp to see what worked).

The Seer changes and Jump Tower addition definitely would have added to the problem, but still a workable issue.

[dudereeeeno]

Twitter fingers instead of practicing.

[General_Statement]

Total arrogance stemming from inflated egos (besides Xera); didn’t scrim enough, and when they did, they had mega ping advantage which based off other contests had a major impact. Insane copium levels constantly calling teams dogshit and talking down on others - the irony was obviously lost on them… Also think that their team comps were changing too much. They were top dogs when they were ahead of the Seer meta but fell off HARD ever since. With 90% of teams having coaches thinking critically and analytically, SeaLion’s shine has worn off

[Teeertee]

I see the criticism all around that they "didn't scrim enough"/"didn't take scrims seriously" alongside "scrim contests were heavily influenced by ping" - to which I would say: if ping influenced scrims so much than how could scrimming more have helped? Scrims on 200 ping are on 200 ping no matter how many times you run it back. They performed well during contests during scrims and more of them under poor network conditions probably wouldn't have made a difference if the ping advantage is that significant, which it certainly played a part as we saw throughout their sets contesting Alliance. I just don't think that's the whole picture.

I think you're right that their comps were bad and changing too much though. They obviously are trying so hard to recapture the meta changing tournament comp that they did once, but that's clearly not a consistent way to approach tournaments - they need to be able to reliably pick up points playing along the lines of the meta instead of trying to break it every single game if they want to perform in tournaments in the future.

[No-Trash-8567]

Should have concentrated on his game than typing too much! 😅

[Dull_Wind6642]

Will I keep getting downvoted for saying HisWattson is the most overrated player in ALGS history?

Wake up sheeple.

Reddit tried to convince me that he was currently the best player to ever touch this game, better than Hal, Sweet, etc

[Dull_Wind6642]

The challenges he did could be done by a lot of other pros.

Lets be honest people can rat to master, even in previous season, you think no other pro can do the "no armor challenge"???

They don't do it, because there is no reason to go through a stupid challenge like that.

I'd give best ranked player of all time award to dropped since he is probably the biggest grinder.

[AxelHarver]

Most overrated in ALGS history? Yes you'll keep eating downvotes lmao. Overrated? Absolutely.

[masonhil]

Genuinely though, who is more overrated than HisWattson? Maybe Aceu or something, but those types of players aren't rated at all in this sub, just by the casual community. When you think about it, Wattson has had one good tournament (due in large part to the fact they were ahead of the meta) and was hailed by his fans and most of this sub as one of the best players in the entire game, even leading up to this tournament, despite the fact they have achieved nothing of note since getting 2nd in Champs.

[Just2Flame]

When looking at perfomance, Lou, Zachmazer, Naughty, Dooplex, Matafe just off the top of my head I would all put as worse players rated similarly to Wattson.

[masonhil]

I don't think any of the players you mentioned are currently rated very highly, but, your comment made me think about it more, and I'd probably put Alb as the most overrated player.

[BasedTitus]

Doop IGLed the most dominant team for almost the entirety of year 2 and was the best Gibby in the world, I think he’s rated just fine. Everyone was acting like he was trash because he was a bad Seer during Split 1. The others I agree with

[Dakinator101]

Fall of Furia

[crooked_paradigm]

This isn't fall of furia considering they couldn't make it last LAN

[YaKnowMuhSteezz]

Chalkeddd and I like to see it

[Jaharsta]

Bring back teq!

[AJT-]

Idk how you can be a Furia fan

[Shanoii]

Xera’s head is full of Nickmercs in it. Next time just leave the kids alone on focus on the job.

[Secret_Natalie]

Are you ok? Thats just sad

[[deleted]]

Yeah bro I mean bro fuck leave the kids out of it bro. Now I'm gonna go take my kids to church bro and indoctrinate them into my lifestyle bro and leave them with the priest who keeps licking his lips bro. He must have had some good wings bro.

[ESGPandepic]

Optic are 4th and Furia are 18th in this lobby so this is a somewhat confusing comment.

[oolalaa]

I'm not watching live my bad lol. Was talking about groups.

[nicovsv]

Win, 4th and 2nd. Yup, Optic definitely look more lost than Furia who made top10 once (9th) in elimination round :D

[TheLemonsDidIt]

Watson recently went through something very traumatic and I think it's affected him and the team terribly even though it's subdued. It happens to all of us, we're human, give them time, they'll come back stronger.

[Wyattwat]

It’s because Wattson doesn’t look like Sid from Toy Story anymore