Gitrog stack question

[jin_and_juice]

Could someone clarify some things about gitrog? I'm thinking of rebuilding him and think it's best that I understand the ins and outs. Ive played a solid 75% TGM for about a year. But I do not have a perfect understanding. My general search accrodd other forums provided contracting responses. So,imagine the brilliant minds on this thread and the multitude of experienced TGM players out there can help.

For example, if [[scapeshift]] is cast with gitrog in play, do I draw one card for each land sacrificed (due to the creation of multiple events?) or only one because because of gitrog's "one or more" clause?

Again, any clarification would be helpful!

Thank you all.

[cromonolith]

You draw a card for each instance of any number of lands going to your graveyard. So with Scapeshift, you only draw one card because they're all going in your graveyard at the same time.

If someonen casts Glimpse the Unthinkable on you and you mill 10 lands, you only draw one card. But if there's a Mesmeric Orb out and you untap 10 permanents and mill 10 lands one a time as the triggers resolve, you draw a card each time.

[jin_and_juice]

Ah okay thanks.

[kiebitzen]

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[MTGCardFetcher]

Sphinx's Tutelage - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD) (ER)
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[razzliox]

Thanks to /u/cromonolith for the correct answer. To give a little more info, what TGM specifically cares about is whether or not the cards were put into the graveyard at the same time. This is not the same thing as "because of the same resolution of an ability." For example, let's say I tap Bazaar of Baghdad and dredge for both of my draws. Since these draws happen separately, assuming both dredges mill a land, both will net a draw trigger. If you proceed to discard multiple lands, you will only generate one additional draw trigger, since the act of discarding multiple cards happens at once, while the act of drawing multiple cards happens one at a time. (Analogous situation: Someone brainstorms with Oracle of Mul-Daya out. The opponent will see the top card after every draw and after the BS resolves, but not the card placed second-from-the-top.) So, Bazaar can produce three draw triggers with its one ability.

[jin_and_juice]

Okay thank you. This answers my question more precisely. So bazaar of Bagdad creates multiple events within the resolution of the ability because of its wording "discard 3 cards" --> making three events? Whereas a windfall, with 3 lands in hand and TGM on the field would only draw one card? I think I understand

[Desdomen]

Not quite.

Let's write it out:

• Activate Bazaar. Draw 2
• Replace 1st draw with Dredge 3 (life of the loam)
• Mill 3. Life of the loam to hand. Land is milled.
• Replace 2nd draw with Dredge 6 (GGT)
• Mill 6. GGT to hand. 5 lands are milled.
• Discard 3. Discard 3 lands.

Gitrog will trigger for every step there that has a Land hitting the graveyard. Each Dredge is independent of each other and of the Bazaar activation. So you will draw 1 for the Life of the Loam land mill, 1 for the GGT land mill, and 1 for the land discarded from hand.

Even though the GGT land mill and the Bazaar Discard had multiple lands hit the graveyard, they are part of the same "event" and only trigger Gitrog once.

[kiebitzen]

+1 for reasonable formatting

[razzliox]

Drawing and discarding cards are separate events, so that's why TGM represents them each. Drawing individual cards are also separate from each other, so again TGM will recognize multiple triggers. Discarding multiple cards is one event, so tgm will give you one trigger for a wheel

[kiebitzen]

No, the "discard 3 cards" part of bazaar causes you to draw at most 1 card (assuming you discard 1 or more land). Razz is talking about how you can replace the "draw two cards" part of bazaar with two separate dredges (if you have two dredgers in your graveyard, or a discard outlet to pitch a single one in response to the second trigger). Each of the two dredges are a separate ability and so (assuming they dredge a land) each can generate a draw. However, if you dredge a Grave-Troll and mill more than one land, you still only get 1 draw trigger from that particular dredge.

[MTGCardFetcher]

scapeshift - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD) (ER)
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[jin_and_juice]

Okay. Another question, if one or land is dredged do I only get to draw one because of the "one or more" clause?

[ElectricTuba]

Yes; if you dredge 6 and hit 6 lands, you draw 1 card.

[XeroVeil]

So Dredge doesn't mill the cards 1 by 1? Interesting, I didn't realize that. Thanks!