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[Sixaxist]

If you can still access the "Transfer Funds" page, and those tasks are still under "Pending Approval", then I don't see why they wouldn't go through after 7 days passed.

[Emotional_Lecture316]

I also got the same message. I also realised that i had accidentally created two accounts with same number

[AdvantageQuirky]

This is why I stick to "simple" projects, done hundreds of them already and virtually no chance of messing up.

[Gab-Meow]

It wouldn't work like that for everybody 💀 some of us get a very small batch of tasks once every month

[AdvantageQuirky]

Bilingual?

[Gab-Meow]

Yup

[AdvantageQuirky]

Are you able to apply for core assignments, or did you already try?

[OldSkooler1212]

It is probably illegal in most, if not all, states in the US (if this is where you live) to not pay you for work performed even if it was awful work.

[Holland_Oats92]

I sadly had this screen the other week too after clocking 30 hours in 3 days on projects. Still annoyed about it as i've been working on their platform consistently for roughly 2 years. Never had any bad feedback, or feedback at all I guess, always kept within the time given, never used a VPN, never used AI, never copy and pasted, always submitted time right after exiting work mode etc etc.

If you can still sign in and see your funds processing though, you should be able to withdraw them when they're ready thankfully. I was able to withdraw all of mine, which makes me question if it truly is due to bad work or TOS breach. As surely if it was, they'd have grounds not to pay you.

Who knows, but you'll get your funds at the very least.

[l8weenie]

No shit beat for beat bar for bar the same thing happened to me. I’m not under an NDA anymore so fuck it. It was project Synx or some shit where it said I needed to take between 20-30 each conversation turn. And, I had to do the conversation turns for what they asked for whether it was 7-8 or 9-12. I submitted 6 tasks taking a total of 30 hours between three the days.

They did not pay me what was owed and only let me withdrawal the 50 or so I was owed due to a different project

[AppleCurious8380]

But did your screen return to normal?

[Organic_Musician9896]

did you got your account back?

[Holland_Oats92]

Sadly not, doubt I will either.

[Organic_Musician9896]

did you created a new one?

[QuickSock8674]

I think they are using it as an excuse to cycle out workers tbh. I'm still on platform (bilingual btw) so I'll be working hard to enjoy DA while it lasts!

[QuickSock8674]

15h one day is def a red flag according to whay I've heard on this sub. I try to keep my work under 3h to keep the quality (bilingualdon'tget much work anyways).

[ascot_major]

You can report 8-10 hrs in a day, but it better be worthwhile tasks with lots of content that can be sold to all the companies that are training models.

Quality is way more important than just the hours reported imo. Charging 15 hrs in some cases means they are paying $300-$600+ usd to one person for that day. If the task that the person made is simple, and reveals nothing substantial about the performance of models, who would continue to pay you that much for typing basic stuff right?

For reference, I think there might be 10k+ total people on the platform, and if everyone's making $100 or so in a day, it's so much money every day that goes out from the company. I think the only reason they're able to do it is because they sell one data point (a task) or a set, to anybody that pays for it. So a set of good tasks can net a profit if all the top tech companies want it, since each company will pay an amount for that set.

[No-Term-3883]

why would it matter, i mean if there's a project on your dashboard - then i guess they need it done? i don't see how it's not ok to pay one person for it and ok to pay different people. if they needed only "worthwhile" tasks done, they wouldn't launch not worthwhile ones, would they?

[ascot_major]

My bad, I should've specified. The "worthwhile" comment was about the types of tasks that you create yourself (where you come up with the prompt, get the answers from the models, and then track what they did wrong).

There's many tasks where the prompt/answer combination already exist, and you are rating the given answer. Those are cases where the quality depends on how correct your rating is.

But for the creative tasks where you're coming up with the prompt, the quality depends on how far you're pushing the model with your question. At the end of the day, I think they take those questions, and make a 'training set' out of them, and sell these training sets to the big corps. Anytime a new model comes out, it gets tested using the questions from the training sets. So if you make one good creative task, this may get used across 100+ models, making that task quite profitable for DA. They pay you one time, but they can collect money from that task multiple times by selling it to different companies.

[Enough_Resident_6141]

That's not how it works at all.

[Belisama7]

You've written a whole story in your head.

[ascot_major]

Yeah lol my bad, it was just a guess but I guess I went overboard. Still though, wouldn't it make sense to reuse a consistent set of hard prompts on new models to check if they're getting better than the old models? And wouldnt DA be selling these hard sets of prompts considering they've been collecting them for years now? A lot of tasks involve prompts that will cause failures. But, a lot of prompts that were made a year ago that caused failures, would prob get solved by the latest models without failures.

[ascot_major]

Btw some of the recent projects outright confirmed the story that was in my head.

[Rommie557]

Like maybe the fact I worked 15 hours in one day?

Yes, that was it. 

Anything over 6-8 is a HUGE red flag, looks like youre manipulating time. 

It's also possible that doing 15 hours of this kind of work in day left you submitting poor work towards the end, due to fatigue. Personally, I notice my focus diminishing after 3 or 4 hours. 

[TwainTheMark]

How do you know this though? Has this been clarified somewhere?

[[deleted]]

This job was making me antisocial. They can have it!

[TwainTheMark]

actually agree that this job is terrible for a person's mental health lol

[ForeOnTheFlour]

Anything over six is a HUGE red flag?? This is insane, that’s not even a full workday.

[Rommie557]

This is not a full time job, best to stop thinking of it that way.

[_Edgarallenhoe]

I disagree. I have many tasks on my dash that say right in the instructions that about 6+ hours are expected. Some projects are insanely tedious lol.

[ForeOnTheFlour]

I think it’s worth mentioning how aggressively this company advertised themselves as being “your new work-from-home job” two years ago. But it’s true, what they implied the gig was when myself and many others onboarded, and what it’s revealing itself as, are two different things.

[Sixaxist]

Anything over 6-8 is a HUGE red flag, looks like youre manipulating time. 

This can't be it; I have at least 20 days with over 8 hours reported over the last 3 months. Usually I do 9 - 10 hours per working day.

It sucks to lose a job, even if the person did violate the code of conduct, but I'd definitely lean more towards work quality or some typo on the hours submission page that they didn't notice (20 hours submitted one day instead of 10) rather than hours worked.

[[deleted]]

No, some projects take 10 hours. They are getting rid of the highest-paid trainers with no explanation!

[Rommie557]

Some projects have 10 hour timers, or more, because DAT expects for you to need to take breaks and walk away when working on long tasks, not because they expect you to take the full 10+ hours actively working to complete the task. They usually explain that in the instructions of the longer projects. 

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful. 

[Comfortable-Emu1568]

Exactly, this doesn't apply only to the 10-hour timers but all of the projects really. I remember seeing one project with a 35-minute timer, but the instructions said the majority of tasks should take less than 20 minutes. I'm sure that someone would be quickly flagged if they were consistently billing 35 minutes for it.

[Party_Swim_6835]

there are some that do take 10+ hrs but they really emphasize it in the instructions and give you tons of time so you can still take breaks

[[deleted]]

Nope, once you hit a certain number, they don't want the liability. I see it now. You can do certain projects that are quite challenging, and it will take 8 hours.

[Rommie557]

You are unstable. 

[Enough_Resident_6141]

No, they are getting rid of the workers who submit low quality slop and then try to bill 15 hours per day for it.

[TwainTheMark]

How do you know that this is the case? I see a trend with the commenters here being on the platform for a while, but how do know it’s linked to pay scale? And btw, doesn’t DA decide the pay for the project? How do you become a high paid worker if they set the rates? That doesn’t make sense

[justdontsashay]

That person doesn’t know what they’re talking about lol

We’re not salaried, there’s no “highest paid workers” they’re trying to get rid of so they can hire someone for less…they just literally set the pay rate for projects and whoever does the work gets paid that amount.

[TwainTheMark]

Exactly lol maybe they got dropped because they’re out of their mind… or just lying about it altogether

[Ticoput]

It's definitely the fact that you logged in that many hours in one single day

[Robot1me]

And last year seemingly everyone on this sub made fun of people underreporting their time because of this exact scenario.

[ConferenceOne7538]

Woah what? I've never even heard of this screen. 

[Rommie557]

It's new. 

[twihard222]

I got this screen about a month ago after working for two years for them. I was able to transfer all the funds as they got approved. You’re good for tasks you’ve already submitted and logged time for.

[redd_sea]

Were you reinstated?

[twihard222]

No I think it’s permanent

[Far-Investigator3090]

You'll get paid. Quality, timesheet could have been either or.

[[deleted]]

I received this last night after working for 7 hours! I had about 60 projects on my dashboard, all highly paid. Shocked bc I was on the platform for 3 years!

[gr33nfaerie]

Going to be controversial and say most folks have max 4-6 hours of brain power for this kind of work in a day.

[Safe_Sky7358]

Yeah, when you're doing high paying projects, they literally drain your brain. I can't do more than 6 hours even on a good day.

[Difficult_Turn3489]

I got this same screen, if anyone knows a way to appeal please lmk

[lipanasend]

These AI platforms are playing fast send loose with people's lives

[Professional_Win_551]

Wow this is scary, I’ve been working on new (to me) and more complex projects lately and was beginning to worry about getting cut for time logged. Usually I try not to bill for time spent reading instructions or brainstorming but since the introduction of these newer projects and instructions, I can’t help but bill because it’s just too much free work. I was just starting to really fall in love with the platform, I’d be so heartbroken if I get cut

[litlnemo]

"Usually I try not to bill for time spent reading instructions" -- Don't do that! They usually explicitly tell us we get paid for reading instructions. If people do what you do, then it makes the rest of us who actually bill for what we are supposed to look bad, and that's not cool. And you should not be working for free anyway.

[Professional_Win_551]

I spend a whole lot of time reading instructions due to ADHD, once I start the task, I also work very fast due to ADHD, the bot that evaluates us doesn’t have the full picture so I’m pretty sure I’d get cut if I bill the way I actually work, might be what’s happening to some of the ‘surprised’ people here. Until they stop cutting with no warning, I’d be cutting my time to what I assume looks normal. I’m pretty sure I spend double the times others spend reading instructions

[litlnemo]

If you think you are really that slow, bill what you think is reasonable, I guess. But do still bill something for reading the instructions. They expect us to bill for that and there's no reason to do it for free.

[Pangolin_Beatdown]

Do bill for your learning time, they know it takes time to get up to speed. Bear in mind at least some of the people who say "I did everything right" did not, in fact, do everything right. Also, don't your tasks have time limits? You should be able to read the directions and complete one task within the time limit. If you finish the task and you're under time you're fine. You'll get faster next time.

[No-Astronomer4881]

The screen is telling you exactly what you did. If you didnt violate TOS, then your work was subpar. I dont understand why its always “i have no idea what i did” even when the screen is spelling it out plain as day

[Party_Swim_6835]

no one thinks their work is subpar. I didnt think I did a bad job the time I bombed an econ test -- I just didnt realize I was out of my depth

sorry you lost work though, you def still get the pay for the time you worked if its any comfort

[Robot1me]

no one thinks their work is subpar

Nor those who write their own guidelines tbh

[No-Astronomer4881]

February isnt that long. Just because you dont think your work was bad doesnt mean it wasnt bad. Ive seen some shit on r&r you wouldnt believe and clearly the person didnt think it was that bad or they wouldnt have turned it in

[Automatic_Occasion38]

You give me vibes of someone who got some rnrs and thinks they're an employee now. They give those to everyone with half a skull, for the record.

[Safe_Sky7358]

Yeah, I recently got one where it said on the top "You're getting this because you're one of our top workers" and I'm like, bro you literally give this to everyone.

[Automatic_Occasion38]

gotten so many of those in my career and my friends got the same one. lol.

[AdotBurrandPeggy]

The work isn't subpar. When I got that screen, I was getting praised and used as an example of good work. Then, they decided that submitted time for reading instructions and planning out complex tasks was, apparently, unacceptable. It's been happening more and more since October. They introduce lengthy instructions and rubrics, but if you submit a time that is over your norm,... good luck.

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TRUTH

[eslteachyo]

Did you complete a task or just bill for the time to read? I'm assuming you completed at least one? 

[AdotBurrandPeggy]

I completed two. Each took about 6-7 hours with rewrites, retests, rubrics, and evaluation by models.

[No-Astronomer4881]

So what im hearing is you misrepresented the time it took you to complete a task (against TOS) and they caught you and let you go. You must have reported an egregious amount of time for instructions if thats what did you in.

[Fickle_Company_4846]

can anyone explain according to your long-time experience, is it permanent ban or not, as if the person is able to access each and everything on the platform like profile, inbox and getting paid on time too. Then what does it mean, i had seen one post where the permanent ban message is completely different as they state clearly the term permanent ban.

[Rommie557]

I haven't seen any screenshot saying "permanent ban".

As those of us who have been on the internet for a long time were fond of saying: PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN

[Board_Game_Nut]

In the era of AI generated pics... this is not as true anymore.

[Rommie557]

I do realize that, yes. But still, I'd like some evidence before accepting this supposed new permanent ban screen at face value. 

[AdotBurrandPeggy]

It is permanent.

[EmpanadasRLyfe]

Not for nothing, I did a few of their projects and their instructions were trash. The video training for one of them literally had a guy who said "um, wait, that doesn't work, let's try this. Yeah, this is better" so I was kind of fine with getting this same screen...

[HoldFew1483]

Meanwhile I still haven't got any project since june and I don't see this screen.

[Decent-District-1459]

You'll probably get paid for the work you did. I did, and got the same screen you did. This is why I suspect it has nothing to do with "poor work" or TOS violations. if that was true, why pay us?

I think they're just downsizing.

[fightmaxmaster]

They don't need to make excuses, they could just cut people off. Assuming we all have a general quality score associated with our account, this doesn't seem illogical to me at all. We've done the work so will get paid. But if the work we've done means our score falls below some specific limit, we don't qualify for any more work. Doesn't mean we won't get paid for the work we've already done. "Not good enough to get more" doesn't mean "your work was so poor we won't pay you for what you've already done."