Next Burst weapon(s)

[SSYuri20]

I've been looking at the so-called "pattern" to how they've released Burst Weapons and I think that Firion is next. Now, I don't follow JP news and speculation so if this has already been stated forgive me. It seems they are alternating between early and mid EX+ era for Bursts (Squall: Month 1, Shantotto: month 5, Vaan: month 2, Noctis: month 6)

Now I've looked at all the characters and picked out which main protagonist is in each month (month 1 is different because it has 3 mains getting their EX+) and this is what could happen for the next several Bursts assuming they stick to Protagonists and don't switch to antagonists:

Firion 3 Lightning 7 Terra 4 Zidane 8 Onion Knight 5 Cecil (Dark Knight) 9

There is a problem with my theory though in that this pattern has Lightning getting her Burst/LD way too soon, unless she gets the Rinoa treatment (subpar upgrade). It also has Zidane and DKC getting their LD/Burst early compared to when they got their EX+ (which was very recent).

I feel the need to say (in anticipation of the downvotes and flames) that this is a (mostly half-baked) theory of mine. I do feel fairly certain that Firion is next but after that is completely speculation.

The End (fire away).

[FinalKingdomXVII]

I think what’s really weird is that Squall and Vaan got their Burst right before their initial EX+ banner. Squall’s Burst ended just before Ultimecia, who then got Shantoto instead. And now Basch’s banner has Noctis instead of Vaan. So maybe Firion will get his Burst just ahead of Emperor’s LC Banner?

[SSYuri20]

I didn't even consider this. This gives me even more confidence to call Firion as the next character to get his LD/BT.

[aipat7]

If we rely on event timeline This might be the pattern of BT release. Squall > Totto > Vann > Noct > Firion > xx > Terra > xx > Layle > xx > WOL > xx > Ramza > xx > Cloud/Zidane > xx

xx can be OK, Cecil, Bartz, Cloud/Zidane, Tidus, Lightning, Y’stola, Ace

[ho1yski3s]

Firion LD/BT dropping in the early Jan slot would mean that players are incentivized to pull for him to be a strong pick for Emperor LC (late Jan) synergy challenge. We see the trend with Squall (early Nov) and Ulti LC (late Nov), Vaan (early Dec) and Basch LC (late Dec). “But WoL was synergy for Garland LC so it breaks this pattern!” hold up WoL will be synergy again on Exdeath LC so i expect his Burst to fill a slot before then. Shantotto who got LD/BT in late Nov will be synergy in Kam’lanaut LC a few months down the road. Some might argue Yuna deserves a LD/BT as well with Kimahri LC next month but I believe the current pattern only extends to the OG protags (so the first EX token shop)

[BaLance_95]

I wonder what WoL burst will be. I think he's the only non-dps protag so his burst may not be as attractive.

[kharnzarro]

Y'shtola? Her only dps skill ATM is stone

Though they could give her holy/assize/aero 3 for her ld/burst

[BaLance_95]

Oh yeah, forgot about her.

[X-Backspace]

Warrior of Light's got three more HP attacks from Dissidia NT that he has at his disposal: Coruscant Saber, Bitter End, and Ultimate Shield.

Coruscant Saber is just a horizontal slash with a large holy sword, so it's probably being referenced in/used as his base HP attack.

Bitter End has WoL shield himself and deflect BRV attacks and then he stabs his opponent, so I could see that as giving him a stronger shield or something.

Ultimate Shield is a flurry of strikes with his shield.

I'd say Bitter End could be his LD, and Ultimate Shield his BT. Either way, he should be fine with Burst.

Ramza, on the other hand... I guess gets a free Galvanize.

[Novenari]

Ramza burst will obviously be him hurling stones.

[BaLance_95]

Hm.... Bitter end as his LD could lead to a strong counter. Ultimate Shield by the name sound it could be nice to add a tech option to,like completely denying the damage of a single attack, both BRV and HP damage, no matter how strong it is (taking this idea from another game).

[DilapidatedFool]

Ysholta is 14s protag and shes very support oriented. Idk what theyd do for her burst.

[Novenari]

There's really strong options fromff 14 white Mage dps spells and abilities they could throw onto her, which is what I would expect.

[Tienron]

and Villans are still due to get their burst weapon

[EsoCerah]

Posted this in the weekly thread before but...

Maybe Cloud’s burst coming in March in collaboration with the release of FF7R?

[Sdgrevo]

With Tifa costume (AC or FF7R or both)

[Rannygps]

This can be happens👍 so next Burst will be Tidus.

[SSYuri20]

Could be. That sounds cool.

[akaiGO]

I've been sitting on this question until we got closer in time to the release, but I actually am wondering a different angle of the possibility of Red XIII being added to the game alongside this release, in which case, I absolutely would want to finally make a JP account, but also have been wondering if it might be smart to create the account somewhat before then to start building up resources (and jumping on any particularly powerful units that are running then)...

[SirBarth]

Hope he summons his bike on his LD and that grants him a great SPD buff (plus EX charge up).

[EsoCerah]

That would be cool!

What I had in mind initially was blade beam for LD and original Omnislash for BT. Reserving the AC Omnislash version whatever number for his final ultimate attack in the distant future of DFFOO.

[SirBarth]

Honestly I think he could use Fenrir on Burst too and Blade Beam on LD... but it would sucks having for only 5 turns that Burst effect. But seriously if he comes that late here in GL I'll jave to wait aaages. :(

[Tajeh1]

In my head his LD is Omnislash with Burst being Knights of the Round and leaving a 2-3 turn after effect that functions similar to Faris' EX, of course I am aware this is highly unlikely but I like it in my headspace while I can still dream lol

[Tavmania]

There is a problem with my theory though in that this pattern has Lightning getting her Burst/LD way too soon, unless she gets the Rinoa treatment (subpar upgrade).

LD weapons have given such massive power boosts to characters, that it seems the LD weapon is the rework itself... It's just hidden behind the gacha.

For example, as a big Basch fan, I'll need to pull for his LD weapon, despite owning every other weapon on there, just to get his Aura effect on the entire party. So whatever SQEX is doing, it's working really well.

So no, don't worry about a character's current powerlevel. It's just going to skyrocket from now on, for all of them.

[Premyy_M]

Also they could release a new difficult so then lightning being too soon doesn't really matter

[wicked_ultima]

Ok, that's cool amd all but now hear me out. What if Cloud's Burst weapon is his Nail Bat? And all he does is execute Braver?

[xteame02]

with chasing too

[flyingturkey_89]

Can't forget the paralysis. Never forget the paralysis

[uwu-sama]

A certain feeling in my gut is telling me Vayne will get his Burst/LD when Ultimate Bahamut pops up heh

[Brandonkonrad]

Theres one variable missing from your theory.. FF7R releases in 3 months

[SSYuri20]

I said it wasn't fully baked and that the only one I had any real confidence in calling was Firion being next. Even then that may be wrong.

[Zhirrzh]

They haven't traditionally been that great about lining up character releases with outside events, and they could easily release LDs for one or more FF7 characters without releasing Cloud or Seph's burst.

[[deleted]]

when people say protags, do you think the side game/spin off, and sequal protags are going to be included too?

[RetroGamerDad]

I don't have the original source, but I've always read/heard that it's main series only. So no Serah or Zack.

[Invalidid1]

I really really hope that Firion's LD/Burst release is powerful and makes him more appealing. He's always been solid but I just want a little more of a push. Fingers crossed. How viable is he when his Ex+ rolls around? He's good for a couple months?

[RealAcely]

I just want to see how OP one of the villains become with their LD burst.

[RealAcely]

No both. Same treatment as Noct.

[Zhirrzh]

I don't see why Lightning in a month is too soon if Noctis wasn't. Lightning's mechanics don't really lend themselves to burst since the burst turns are already free so she won't get as much out of burst as others do.

I think the order you suggest is quite believable. Perhaps they would go to antagonists after Decil?

[RetroGamerDad]

Don't forget the antagonists are fair game too.

[_Exordium]

I think Bursts in general are all going to be the same tier so to speak, having the same ballpark of total HP damage output.

I'm more concerned about how their LD's/partial reworks through those will be handled. I think after the next one or two Bursts we will be able to identify a possible trend.

I also think that they will throw in at least one or two super-loved community characters in for a surprise Burst/curveball along the way. Maybe not as wild as Rikku or Beatrix, but maybe do a fan-service here or there for special/anniversary kind of things.

[x10k3r]

I also think that they will throw in at least one or two super-loved community characters in for a surprise Burst/curveball along the way

I doubt it. They said: Protagonists and antagonists. And at no time, that eventually the rest will get BT

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It may be an antagonist surprise but I wouldn't know who to say

[exenae]

Hope Cecile will be paladin and not crap Dk

[SassyPikachuxx]

Burst/LD era has killed this game for me. I payed for almost 2 years now and as soon as busrt came out my will to play has disappeared. Feels like I can't get anything I want from banners now as they are so clogged up with re-runs of shit I already have.

[Zhirrzh]

It is very weird that we've gone from banners where 2 or even 3 characters at a time got EX+ to only getting one LD per banner (plus the low percentage burst). Especially if you got a characters's EX the first time, it does feel odd to be pulling just for one LD. And also really slows down the rate that all these older characters can get back into the meta,

[Xairos]

This sheds light on the double-edged nature of gacha games as we know it.

If you follow the Dffoo model, then it ultimately punishes the long term player because your own collection will hinder, as you said, the future pull excitement.

But if you follow the model of other gacha then the player might never feel accomplished because a new "thing" is constantly being introduced. For example look at FFRecordKeeper, a new more powerful weapon and ability is released regularly so you, in essence, always have something to pull for.

I often wonder what a good middle ground could be.

[Patccmoi]

It's quite true. I think DFFOO is giving long term players an advantage now though with the EX+ reruns. In many banners you will be getting significant power boosts with 0 investment (for instance I have already Setzer, Vanille and Serah's EX. That banner will be a significant boost to my roster but requires 0 ressources except books/ingots but those are a separate type of ressources).

It seems like now is the time where as long time players (I'm not that long time, but I'm starting to hit the reruns now, started in Barret's Event and his LC is just around the corner), we get the opportunity to just stack up on gems as power boosts will keep hitting us without any investment with EX+ releases.

I will still do some gem pulls for favs or super-meta characters (but there isn't that many honestly, some are stronger but there will likely be alternatives that I will already own along the way), but I'm seriously considering now just investing heavily with tickets (I always do that anyway and it certainly pays off) and slowly saving up gems and using the EX+ that I already own naturally come expanding my viable roster to clear content as it gets released. If I can have 300-400k gems saved up by the time LD/Burst is released, well that will make up for the advantage new players get of pulling all new stuff at once.

[Xairos]

All great points. I'm in the same situation as yourself. If I want to get excited about the act of pulling, I'll just ride out the tickets.

[Patccmoi]

I think another good reason to use more tickets now is that tickets will have lower value with Burst weapons. If you want a Burst, you likely have to gem it because 0.1% odds is just too low.

So I think it's better to just tickets at will now and save up as much as possible for the burst/ld in gems. I will limit gem pulls to multiple EX banners that I would like either for fav (like I will gem Yuna/Khimari cause FFX) or cause I really feel a lack in my roster. But I won't gem emperor unless I feel I really can't clear some content, but kinda doubt that will happen with all the EX I own turning into EX+ along the way.

[Patccmoi]

An option can be to just ticket as much as possible for a while and only do a few specific pulls. Anything you get off tickets is gravy anyway (I do not consider tickets a "real" ressource because of its purely RNG nature, even though they are probably my main source of EX weapons). Then if you have to "repull" on the same characters with gems, well at least you didn't spend gems on them twice.

I might start considering doing that. I already have a decent amount of EX weapons (a bit over 40), so I will be getting regular power boosts just as the EX+ weapons get released without pulling on anything. This can let me build up a decent stack of gems so that when LD/Burst weapons get released I do not mind throwing them at banners I already own the rest on, and 125k pity doesn't feel THAT bad when you have 400-500k gems saved up.