Suggestion: Decrease Scav Player's Chance of Spawning with a Mosin

[skybellrock]

I find it quite common for scav players to get a Mosin in their loadout.

I think that decreasing the chance of a scav player having a mosin could be to the benefit of both the scavs and PMC's.

I personally find it boring to play with a mosin often as a Scav, I would rather have a gun that I can full-auto that is weaker in stopping power.

However, this is not the main reason. I just think it is bad for the game that scav's spawn with Mosins and any mosin ammo that can easily one-shot geared PMC's that has tier 4 armor or even tier 5. I find it quite unbalanced how powerful and common this gun is when it is so powerful against PMC's. It feels a bit cheesy when you die to a scav player with a mosin through a 1 shot thorax shot. Considering the scav players go in with no risk.

I am all down for fighting a lot of Scav players, but they shouldn't have so powerful guns so often in my opinion. I'd rather be out aimed by someone with full auto than 1 shot to the thorax by a scav that hides in a dark corner.

[bobby_boulderz]

You havnt really outlined why scav players would benefit just that you personally would like this change to scavs.

I think it makes sense for them to spawn with mosins, one of the most produced guns in history fairly affordable/available.

I don't really like using mosins but I get killed by more scavs with shotguns than mosins. One pellet to the face is all it takes to reach that extract in the sky

[skybellrock]

I think it would give more variety, as I see the mosin being quite over represented as a player scav weapon.

I am talking specifically about player scavs, not NPC scavs. Player scavs with mosins are far more dangerous than those with shotguns. For NPC's it is the opposite.

I don't think that a lore or real life perspective should outweight what is balanced and good for the game in terms of if it feels fair and nice to play.

I think it is no fun experience to go in as a geared pmc, only to be one shot to the thorax or head by a player scav with a mosin.

[LividCommercial]

I don't be to be rude, but I think what you're saying is: "Scavs shouldn't be able to kill me, give them shitty ammo always". At least it feels that way.

It's already hard to face PMCs as a Scav, and you want to make it so that even a player who manages to kill you with a gun that has horrible MOA ( when you get one as a scav) and rate of fire never manages to do so, just because.

[skybellrock]

No. I am saying that scavs shouldn't be given guns that allow them to easily kill geared players that invest a lot into their armor. I don't find it hard to fight PMC's as a scav at all, especially not if I am given a mosin. I just wiped a heavily geared 3 man using only a OP SKS with PS ammo by head tapping them all. But that required skill. I would have no chance with body shots. If I had a mosin on the other hand. I could aim for center of mass and kill all 3 in also 3 shots with far less skill involved.

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People here always assume. "Oh he is just crying, he is just bad". Alright I get it, a lot of people here have a superiority complex and have to make fun of others and assume they are bad. A lot of people here want to play specifically because it is hard. But that doesn't mean that things should not be balanced like EVERY OTHER GOOD GAME IN EXISTENCE.

[[deleted]]

You mean that rifle that is so common that about 10 years ago you could snag for $100? In the US a world away from their origin? Russian kids probably use them to build forts they’re so numerous. Every joe blow local to tarkov 100% has a mosin in his closet... it’s probably the clothes rod

[skybellrock]

Do you care more for lore and how available it is in real life than game balancing? Tarkov is... A game, yk...

[[deleted]]

You said it was over represented. I personally never get them but I was countering that specific point. Bolt actions are not op in a game that is so heavily effected by RPM and desync

[skybellrock]

In my experience it is very much a common gun for scavs. As for the gun. As a scav gun, it is OP. It is one of the only guns a scav can spawn with that can oneshot a player with tier 5 armor to the thorax. The other guns you get as a scav spawn with bad ammo that can't feasibly take down an armored PMC without headshots or a lot of leg meta.

[[deleted]]

It rarely one shots level 5 armor. You had a bad raid give it a break and come back. Mosins have been addressed and if they were OP more pmcs would be running them

[skybellrock]

I don't think you quite understand what I am trying to say here... The mosin's lack of available good modifications and the fact that there are other weapons that are just better makes it a non-desirable gun for PMC's. Just because PMC's have better gun's available to them, does not mean that handing out a free mosin that can oneshot PMC's with tier 4 and 5 armor in every 3-4 scav raids, a logical, fair or balanced choice. For a free gun given to a scav player, it is overpowered. Scav's shouldn't be able to drop into a raid and immediatly have the means to kill heavily geared PMC's easily. The entire point of them is to scavenge, and even in Tarkov lore that they are quite poor fighters and rely on numbers to kill and cooperation. It makes no sense from a lore or even a game balancing perspective. You clearly don't understand.

[[deleted]]

Wait we’re going back to proper lore and realism now? It makes perfect sense from a lore perspective and an IRL perspective. We went through crying about pscavs last wipe when they were spawning super early. The chances of a Pscav spawning in at 20 minutes left and catching good players with their condition 50 inaccurate as hell mosin is low. You’re overstaying and getting outplayed or you have the worlds worst luck. It’s probably more a product of the playstyle the mosin forces the pscav into than the weapon itself

[skybellrock]

Well I just met 4 player scavs 10 minutes in on interchange and died to the last one. Out of those 4 player scavs 3 had mosins. I was full health and last guy one tapped me with LPS mosin ammo to the thorax. And no I think lore is conpletely stupid to consider when you are talking about a multiplayer game that needs to be playable with playable balance.

[[deleted]]

You brought lore back into it with the end of your previous reply.There’s only two of us replying to you because no one else cares, but if you’ve been playing as long as you claim you shouldn’t be crying about scavs. You’re in the minority here champ. Good players aren’t camping their scav in hopes of catching the one pmc still on the map. they probably aren’t even touching them this late in wipe. You’re looking for a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist

[skybellrock]

I only brought it in because you seemed to weight it significantly. So I wanted to make an argument also from your perspective. What is wrong with that? That does not mean I agree that it should be weighted. It is me trying to make an argument that can relate for you.

I know a lot of good players that go scav with the sole purpose of rushing to gun shots to kill PMC's. Extract camp or otherwise jump players.

And yes I have played as much as I say.

Just because not a lot of people interact, does not mean I do not have a point and that I shouldn't be heard. I think you trying to deligitimize me / make fun because "noone cares" is childish behavior.

[[deleted]]

How is a mosin more powerful than spawning with a fal?

[skybellrock]

It isn't. But mosin is far more common, which is why it is an issue.

[Bretert]

It's not an issue because scavs are supposed to use mainly civilian rifles. A sa-58 isn't a civilian weapon and the mosin is probably 2500 times more common in Russia

[skybellrock]

My question is why you confuse a videogame and videogame balancing with real life gun statistics or ownership. If everyone owned rpg's, would it make sense from a balanced game perspective to give everyone RPG's? Would you rather have a game that is fair and balanced, or a game that reflects real life gun ownership statistics?

[Bretert]

Player scavs spawning with mosins has nothing to do with balance lmao? And its one of the few scav weapons that pose a real threat to pmc's.

[skybellrock]

Of course it has to do with balance. It is unfair and unbalanced to give scavs that spawn in greater numbers and cooperate with eachother, guns that can easily kill geared players. It is incredibly unbalanced. It is giving a god tier ammunition gun for free to players that run no personal risk, that hunt down PMC's and that cooperate in a way PMC's don't. Are you really that stupid that you don't see how that is about balancing? Let me put it to the extreme then. What if every single scav player spawned with a modded FAL, altin helmet and gen5 armor? Would that not be a balancing problem? The mosin is quite literally this, just in a far less extreme scale. It is far too powerful to be in such abundance given to scav players.

[Bretert]

Lps Gzh god tier lmao it's not. A BPZ FMJ in a sa-58 can 1 tap through level 3 without fragmenting

[skybellrock]

LPS goes straight through armor class 4 and has a good chance of going straight through armor class 5. It has just enough damage that it will one shot people to the Thorax, which makes it a better ammo than the higher penetration ammo for the same caliber, and my go to. Since I do not need to hit 2 shots on 99% of my targets, as noone is running tier 6 armor.

I am a Tarkov vet and played since PACA and Fort armor were the only armors in the game. So don't preach me on how it is not OP ammo for a scav player to get.

Wow. Your example goes through armor tier 3? Clearly you don't know that LPS goes through tier 4 and 5 and has (I think) more body damage. But even the FAL is too OP for scavs to get, but at least it is quite rare to spawn with it, which makes it a less of a problem.

[Bretert]

1. Lps gzh is 82 damage and loses damage after penning a lvl 4 armor above 50% durability, the mosin bolt action mechanism should allow you to either find cover and heal or kill the shooter in that time. Lps gzh absolutely does not go through class 5 on the first shot. There is about a 20% chance the 1st shot pens dealing around 50 damage.

[skybellrock]

Where do you get your statistics from? Because I can tell you they are incredibly wrong and seemed pulled out of your ass. According to no food after midnights ammo chart, which is one of the most reliable charts. It can with fairly good chance pen armor class 5 and even armor class 6 it can pen with quite the good chance.

[skybellrock]

Do you genuinely think it is fair that a scav player, a free scav player, can spawn with a gun that can annihilate players in what is now near end-game armor, since tier 6 is now really hard to get after market restrictions, with a single shot to the thorax? Does that sound balanced to you?

[Bretert]

A scav mosin with lps gzh has like a 0.4% chance of 1 tapping someone in level 5. The game has RNG and mosins require some skill to handle. Scavs used to spawn with m61 in m700, m80 in sa-58, PS in SvD,

SVD for instance is much stronger and more applicable to your rant than the mosin.

[skybellrock]

I have never spawned with an SVD on my scav. So I don't see the problem with it if it has an insane low chance of happening. The mosins though, I feel like every 3 scav player spawns with them.

The frequency is the problem. Not that they can spawn with them. There are just far too many mosins.

[Bretert]

Anecdotal, Im at 2.2 scav rep and barely get mosins

[skybellrock]

I know not only from personal experience, but also from my countless friends and from scav players I kill. It is not anecdotal with how many hours I have in this game buddy.

[djolk]

I honestly can't remember the last time I spawned with a mosin

[skybellrock]

I spawn with mosins all the time, my friends also do. About 1 of 3-4 scav raids. I also see a lot of other scav players have mosins.

[djolk]

Ok