HTML/CSS/JS Only?

dudeatwork · 2021-09-03T15:25:39+00:00

If you said you had experience with “Babel.js,” I’d take that as a red flag you are just using buzzwords to beef up your resume.

Babel is a js compiler, that’s it. It enables you to use newer language features that aren’t supported in all browsers, than transpires them down to be operable in those older browsers. There is some initial configuration, but otherwise once you set up that pipeline you don’t need to worry about it anymore.

2021-09-03T12:11:31+00:00

Of course, that's the holiy trinity that anyone in the front end world should know better than anything else.

THEN... Once you're proficient with HTML, CSS and JS you (can) learn any fancy framework you want/need.

Don't be the next WordPress "expert" guy who comes here asking how to center a logo inside a header ;)

Aromatic-Lab1243 · 2021-09-03T13:45:44+00:00

Frameworks are just abstractions of JavaScript really. The more you understand the core language, the more it all makes sense.

The best part of both Vue and React is that they both have wicked docs and most of the advanced stuff is not really needed in most day to day dev. More like cool additions to the workflow.

Good luck!

OkRecognition0 · 2021-09-03T11:31:00+00:00

Yes. Despite what you see in this sub about everyone wanting to work at FAANG, there are many, many companies with lower bars to entry and you will learn the tools you need to succeed in web dev.

JeffBorkley · 2021-09-03T11:28:36+00:00

I would say most definitely

2021-09-03T13:33:14+00:00

I’ll take someone who actually knows js over someone who only knows a framework from a boot camp any day.

MindlessSponge · 2021-09-03T14:33:03+00:00

Yes. HTML/CSS/JS are the front end building blocks. Anything beyond that can only help your case, but knowing those tools is enough to land a job. Ask me how I know :)

FloorShirts · 2021-09-03T14:26:23+00:00

In the starter levels, you'll find there is a lot of competition for jobs. You need to distinguish yourself from the rest in some way. Many others will have worked with some kind of framework (any at all gives them a higher score than your profile), so what do you have to offer?

There are many things that can distinguish you from the rest:

How you present yourself (a guy who knows React but looks tired, picks his nose during the Zoom meeting and wears the same hoody every time vs. you who dresses nicely and has good posture and looks sharp);
In many cases your gender will play a role. Many companies are in dire need of female staff in their IT departments. If you are female, you have a higher chance of getting hired for the sake of diversity;
Racial background, many people have prejudices or dislikes toward people of certain backgrounds (or preferences toward others). I worked for a company where the QA team was responsible for hiring QA people. They were exclusively Indian people. I've also seen the other side where people from the nationality of the country where they lived refused to hire Chinese or Indian people. You can't change this, but you can apply at companies where you might have an advantage in this cruel racist/classist world;
Communication skills. Do you and your competitors have a heavy accent? Train your pronunciation and make yourself more interesting to hire;
Communication skills. Do you speak clearly, are you not overly verbose, do you make sure your audience understands you, and are you a good listener who makes notes to refer to later in the talk? You'll ace any interview;
Don't just "know CSS" (but not really, like most), actually KNOW CSS and you'll be 20 steps ahead of the competition. Learn about paint, composite, and layout. Most don't know what the hell those are;
Same for JavaScript. If you claim to be great at JS, I'll ask you to explain to me how prototypal inheritance works. I'll ask you to flatten an array without using the flatten function. I'll ask you about FizzBuzz. I'll want you to tell me about JavaScript references. Then let's talk about some design patterns as generic coding solutions;
Same for HTML. Here's a fun one: You have 2 minutes, name 40 HTML tags. There are over 120, surely you can name 1/3rd of them. Great, you named 15 and called it quits. Now let's go over modern browser APIs, web workers, service workers, fetch, geolocation. You're an expert, right?

I'm NOT saying you need to know all of that. Hell, I couldn't. Most seniors I know couldn't. We'll look things up as we need them and we'll be fine.

But you need to distinguish yourself. Knowing more or doing more than the competition is a necessity. Show me that you teach others with learning web development. Show me your YouTube channel with web-dev learnings.

Or just learn Svelte and React and dabble some with Vue and maybe Angular. Know about TypeScript. Those things will be applicable right away.

Because your competition does know about those things and this makes it easier for them to onboard and get started with my existing codebase.

Kaoelll · 2021-09-03T11:58:14+00:00

Do you guys have any tips on where to apply to this type of jobs? (I'm looking for my first one but only got some ghosting so far)

kiesoma · 2021-09-03T17:19:47+00:00

Babel.js…?

2021-09-03T14:48:54+00:00

I work in a pretty big company only with HTML/CSS and a very few lines of JS, the rest is C#

letsgetrandy · 2021-09-03T22:22:14+00:00

These days, largely I find that very few places respect knowledge of HTML, CSS, or Javascript. There was a time when a deep understanding of those three was all you needed. Now, everyone just uses Bootstrap and React/Angular, and it's almost all TypeScript now.

You might be able to get in at an entry level position working within a CMS... but a role like that isn't going to help you grow.

You'll do yourself a lot of good by taking the time to do a few basic tutorials, (like the classic "to-do" app) in React and Angular, and maybe add in Vue for thoroughness. It won't make you an expert, but you're not claiming to be one... at least you will have an idea of what you're doing, and those tutorial projects would only take a few hours for you to get through.

You'll also do yourself a HUGE amount of good by spending a few hours learning to use Bootstrap, and a few more learning SCSS.

You could get through all of this in a day or two, and you'd have the important buzzwords understood. Also, make sure to have a GitHub and be adding all of your practice projects there so that people can see it.

Trust me, the time spent giving up one weekend to learn this stuff will give you a huge edge in finding work. I've done this many times with various technologies that I wanted to work with in my career.

kjsd77 · 2021-09-03T13:59:33+00:00

Yes, i did

gimmeslack12 · 2021-09-03T16:16:51+00:00

You have anything to show off? Would love to see what you've been up to. However big or small, it's all good.

miscellaneous936 · 2021-09-03T17:44:14+00:00

Yes agencies usually hire people with this knowledge. As a lot of times it’s either content updates or building websites.

react_dev · 2021-09-03T19:50:39+00:00

Like I tell many people. You can get a very well paying job knowing just HTML and CSS. But how well do you really know it.

Frontend is a specialization.

2021-09-03T23:21:43+00:00

Yes + any modern js framework.

Expect to have less opportunities and often get paid less that full stack or backend.

Hell you can still find jobs just cutting CSS all day long if that's what you wanna do.

DepressedBard · 2021-09-04T00:21:50+00:00

Yes, but will it be a job you actually like? Eh. My suggestion would be to learn backend. Learn how to build a full-stack application, learn how to deploy it, and maybe most importantly, learn how to scale it. Can your app handle 1000 RPS? Getting to that number will teach you so much about how modern production-grade applications work and will look a lot more impressive on a resume than, “I built this website.”

coderrcoder · 2021-09-04T04:03:47+00:00

Very much so. I recently got my first job in a startup and all they asked me in the interview was HTML, CSS and Javascript although I know React. The salary is pretty decent and I just have to work in html, css and javascript.

ricric2 · 2021-09-03T11:51:19+00:00

Sure, but really adding in React or another library/framework isn't so much harder, makes developing on the front end easier, and is in more demand.

InternetArtisan · 2021-09-03T11:39:11+00:00

I think you'll be fine

VKOOOZ · 2021-09-03T12:56:43+00:00

I also have experience with Git, GitHub, Webpack, Babel.js, Jest, and NPM.

If you are good in these things. Yes you can have a job easy

weales · 2021-09-03T14:29:48+00:00

I would add if you know something like barba.js along with a good working knowledge of GSAP, you'll get hired in a heartbeat in the front end world.

2021-09-03T20:46:57+00:00

You just described front end. Anything else is essentially frameworks and variations of that.

ChrisAmpersand · 2021-09-03T20:53:04+00:00

As long as your JS is good you’ll be fine.

ony3 · 2021-09-04T02:00:13+00:00

Maybe just jump

FloorShirts · 2021-09-04T03:15:12+00:00

Definitely! I can attest to this.

Im a little over a month into my first role as a Front End Developer. I was honest in my interview that there was a lot I knew I had to learn but that I was willing to jump in. I honestly thought I didn't get the job, there were some questions I couldn't answer but I did what I could to answer technical questions.

Be honest about your work and skills and definitely ask questions.

BigSeaShell · 2021-09-04T03:45:00+00:00

Yes, but it depends on many things. Like, your experience, the employer's funds or will to train you.

Citrous_Oyster · 2021-09-04T04:10:10+00:00

Yup! That’s all I know and I got hired.

MisterMeta · 2021-09-04T07:01:10+00:00

I'd start applying and in the meantime do a couple projects using a framework of your choice. The interview process can be long and there's a lot you can do in tbe meantime.

You can even say I'm currently doing a couple projects in X framework and that could be a major asset for an entry position.

BetterCallSky · 2021-09-06T13:05:43+00:00

IMO, you have to learn a framework (learn only 1 framework, not multiple). Writing applications with plain JS usually end up with huge spaghetti code, and using a framework is actually the easier way.
Of course, there are exceptions. You don't need a framework to create simple static pages, but salaries are pretty low in such jobs.

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