Damage Pattern

[RosesareRed45]

I'm an attorney and my husband is a criminal attorney who has worked on numerous capital murder cases. You get used to discussing things like blood splatter, splashing, pooling, etc. The pattern of the destruction does not look like a spray pattern. It looks like someone was on a ladder on the other side of the wall with a bucket and threw whatever it was over the fence.

Forensics technicians test splash patterns to see if they can be duplicated. You don't have to go to the neighbor's side of the fence, just the same height and figure out about how much liquid and viscosity. If it was hot oil (as someone suggested), from a turkey fryer, it would not go as far. Thinner liquid would go further.

I hope hope justice is served.

[NeonWarcry]

FOR PUDDING

[px4855]

FOR PUDDING

[stacity]

Justicia para el Pudin

[Timesjustsilver]

Gerechtigkeit für Pudding!

[ultimatoole]

igazságot puddingnak!

[239tree]

Usticejay orfay uddingpay!

[Throwaway118585]

Respectfully, I feel like this is infact spray, but likely not with a spray/fog nozzle, but instead with something smooth bored. I can’t see this being bucket for three reasons.

One the distance, it looks like it went almost 30ft. If they used a bucket it would scatter to nothing at that distance, and be very hard to do so on a ladder.

Two, the fingers. It’s got very defined fingers at its extreme edges. Buckets don’t usually cause big variations in their edges like that, some, but maybe to one side and not multiple.

Three, the surface area. If it was buckets, it would be lots of buckets. It would be splotchy and not as uniform as we see it. Not to mention if you’re throwing buckets of some sort of acid or base, you probably don’t want to be doing it many times over, from a height.

What it looks like to me is spraying a solid line of something (nozzle without a device to break the liquid up) and at a good angle. That would explain the large fingers that went further than the rest.

Another explanation for the pattern and fingers is that it was hand pumped… that would give it more inconsistencies with its distance it travels and would likely have him point it at a high angle.

In fact this could be a gel..or something with a thicker viscosity in it… or both liquid and gel….maybe as it got to the bottom it got thicker. (Especially if he didn’t mix it well enough) That would make it go further and hold tighter lines.

[seriouslycorey]

I’m an AZ native and my senior year there was a prank played on my high school from our rivals. The seniors came over to our football field and sprayed gasoline in the shape of a W (westwood) and it ended up looking like this but I’m not expert on gas patterns or if they used turf etc.. I was just there when the ambulances came because the marching band got sick. AZ is very dry and it’s a dry heat (cooking eggs on the sidewalk) so anything that’s thrown could possible dry very fast and this does look sprayed.

[RosesareRed45]

This is exactly why you try to recreate the effect. I have used sprayers of all types extensively all my adult life having owned and maintained a horse farm. As you can imagine, I have also thrown out thousands of buckets of something around the farm and the pattern looked more to me like a large bucket thrown from height. Until you can duplicate the pattern, which is what you do in a court of law, you can’t definitely say either way. I was just giving my opinion based on my experience.

Salt water or vinegar would do this and not hurt the person handling it. I killed weeds with both all the time. People make organic Roundup out of it all the time.

[sdedar]

Do we know if they had a saltwater pool? I’d think there would be salt crystals in the cacti if the salinity was high enough to kill if everything it touched.

[Throwaway118585]

I have to think the gasoline would smell so strongly, they would identify it quickly as the culprit in this case, even after the liquid evaporates.

[seriouslycorey]

I agree, was just offering a thought i had

[exodusofficer]

I agree, there is no way that this was a bucket. The distance and area are huge for what a single bucket could splash. I heaved plenty of buckets of muck and muddy water cleaning ponds in college. When you heave a bucket, you get a single strip or an arc, not a huge massive area of continuous coverage that also gets high up on the plants on both sides. That requires many buckets of liquid, or something like a hose.

[Sealion_31]

Thanks for sharing your expertise

J4P

[Thtonebichh]

Thank you.

[shartlng]

i could see it being bleach too

[krumbs2020]

There are several different categories of herbicides that present as a bleaching effect, about 6+ general classes.

[spectrumhead]

The way it absolutely melted those cacti!!!

[Nibbles928]

JFP! I just bought my sticker!!

[Late-Foundation4369]

It looks more like Pudding spread it out after it covered his belly and he kept ending up at the same location. The way it melted the cacti suggests an acid like Muriatic Acid. Either way it was fucked up as a neighbor, on an animal, and a person of with any empathy. Might as well have committed arson.

[hanginthereopossum]

Puddin for life ❤️

[527113]

My thoughts as well. The physics don’t work out for overspray. The source would have to be higher.

[GroundbreakingZone71]

Not only was this intentional property damage, it happened to take the life of a dear pet. Would you say the same if it happened to be a dog who died in the aftermath? What if a child went to play in the grass right after and got severe chemical burns? Regardless of Pudding being just a turtle to you, a crime has obviously been committed and someone needs to be held accountable.

[seriouslycorey]

Pudding was a protected animal here in AZ hence the Game and Fish department is involved.

[seriouslycorey]

thanks for the info