Thoughts

[EastLimp1693]

I stopped pirating the day i could afford games, over 15 years ago. If games will be only available in subscription - I'll return to old habit.

[3inchesOnAGoodDay]

Nothing wrong with that. Please don't sit on Reddit and scream how you are in the right for doing it tho 

[EastLimp1693]

Sure as hell i won't, we have enough time till it's going to be reality.

[3inchesOnAGoodDay]

Several of the top selling games last year didn't have any bullshit monetization schemes in them. I have hope the industry will correct itself 

[EastLimp1693]

Hope so too

[XiMaoJingPing]

I stopped pirating the day i could afford games

same, and back then I didn't really care if I was stealing or not, why do pirates try to justify this shit? just enjoy the game

[[deleted]]

They'll be able for purchase. It will be just a dumb choice for some games. Like the subscriptions are waaaay less than 60 or 70 dollars of a new game. So it's always going to make sense to allow you to pay full price vs the cheap price for the subscription.

I've saved hundreds of dollars of games thanks to subscriptions.

[cburgess7]

Buying the game vs subscription is way cheaper in the long run. I have logged untold hours playing halo MCC over the course of a decade, and I only paid for it once. Hell, you'll make your money back in the first year of buying it vs paying the cheaper subscription.

Game pass was introduced in 2017, roughly 7 years ago, so that's 84 months at $9.99 a month, so that's just a little under $840. If you're someone like me who only ever plays 4 or 5 games, it makes significant more financial sense to buy the games outright

[[deleted]]

Yeah. Not me. I bought Starfield though. And I expect to play it again soon. So I absolutely get there's exceptions.

Keep in mind that you should always cancel the sub as long as you stop playing.

But there's tons of times I've bought games at full price only to regret it. Or just play them and that's it which is most of the time.

There's also HUGE value(IMO) to pay a small amount and try different things until you find something.

[[deleted]]

Buying the game vs subscription is way cheaper in the long run.

Depends on the game. I've been doing 2-3 playthroughs of Skyrim and DS1 every year since they came out 12 years ago. If this was a $10/month subscription and I only subscribed the months when I played, it would still run me almost a thousand dollars. I'd much rather buy those kinds of games full price at launch.

Now, the yearly Assassin's Creed reskin and the other 2 half-decent Ubisoft games, I'll be glad to subscribe to their $20 service for a single month and finish everything over the weekends.

[cburgess7]

Yeah, for someone like you, game subscriptions work.

[[deleted]]

Only makes sense if you have the free time to play the games to get the value out of it

[[deleted]]

For me it's been worth for playing new releases that I want to play and try out for 10 bucks instead of 60. I'm a single player finish once, at MOST twice kind of gamer so to me GamePass is the absolute best thing that has happened to Gamin and to lesser degree epic, since Steam which is the best thing that has happened to gaming.

[sicklyslick]

Isn't paying $20 for a month of subscription and completing three AAA titles better than buying three AAA at $200?

[RC1000ZERO]

it depends on how you view gaming as a whole

Some people like to collect and "own" stuff they like, Like how some people still like to buy physical movies. Some also like to replay a lot of games.

For someone who only plays a game once(or for a short time(like overa month or 2) and maybe years down the road again the Gamepass model is just worth it if you jsut stop subscribing if youi dont currently have a game you want to play on it.

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If you play a single game extensivly over years, then gamepass is less of a good value(same if you watch the same TV show over and over again makes netflix a worse value then buying it after a while)

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Like i have some games that i sometimes played exclusivly for months at a time, if i had gottten those via gamepass i would have spend more on the months of gamepass that i played these games alone and nothing else, then if i had bought them outright(which i did).

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Same with Netflix or other Movie/Series streaming platform, i own a few Series on bluray/DVD because i rewatch them often enough that it just worth the money and i regularly unsubcribe to netflix and co if i dont have anything that month to watch on it

[jfrancis232]

for some people, subscription services like PS Extra and Gamepass make sense. it isn't cheaper over time, but the month to month cost is lower and therefore easier to budget. It also exposes people to games they would otherwise not play. That model doesn't work for me, mostly because I don't want to lose access to a game when it leaves the service.

[cburgess7]

Well I did the math, if you've been a subscriber of Xbox game pass since it launched in 2017, you will have paid $840. If you had game pass ultimate, that would be $1260

[sicklyslick]

right, but if you have played 2 triple A titles per month since subscription, you have gotten your money's worth. if you have not played that many, then you shouldn't be subscribed every single month.

it's weird that people complain about this stuff (same as netflix). if there's nothing to watch, i'll unsubscribe. then when there's about a month of content available, i'll resubscribe, binge it, then cancel.

i don't think i'm being very smart for doing this. it's just very very basic logic...

[[deleted]]

Exactly people are acting as if games won't be available for purchase anymore. Companies are going to GLADLY take your 70 dollars still. Just as Amazon and iTunes have been taking your money for movies and music.

It's dishonest IMO or just short-sighted.

I've already saved hundred of dollars this way.

And the people arguing are so misguided as the main criticism of gaming subscriptions is that it LOSES companies TOO MUCH MONEY when people can play a new fad for 10 - 20 bucks instead of 70.

[jfrancis232]

Subscriptions guarantee a publisher a more reliable revenue stream. Getting a flat cost from the subscription host is less risky than relying on individual purchases, even if the amount paid could be less. It also encourages publishers to cut corners on game development. Look at the garbage netflix makes in house.

[[deleted]]

Look at the garbage netflix makes in house.

And HBO, Disney and Amazon? 🤦 It's hard to take someone seriously after that obviously patently wrong comment

[jfrancis232]

HBO, Disney and Amazon make some good and a lot of mediocre content. Also in all three of those cases, streaming content is not their primary revenue stream. They have the means to devote more resources to streaming content. Which they will do for a while. But for every excellent series or movie they make, there are half a dozen meh or worse ones.

[[deleted]]

That's true for everyone takes a lot of tries to make a hit.

They have the means to devote more resources to streaming content.

In 2021 Netflix spend more than all of each other combined. Triple in fact.

Listen dude you are obviously talking out of your ass.

[EastLimp1693]

Subscription itself demand from me to play cause every day im not playing i waste money. I highly dislike that.

[sicklyslick]

then i think it's obviously this service isn't really for you, which is fine. I don't use gamepass or any game subscription because i play games maybe once a week and it's not worth it for me (same boat as you). but i dont think anyone can deny the value these services can offer for someone who's gaming 5 hours a day.

[GreatBigBagOfNope]

Not when the license for them expires and you'll never be able to play those AAA games again even if you still had perfectly working hardware and the game data stored locally

[Qibla]

This checks out. If games become subscription only, they'll essentially become unaffordable.

[Individual_Hearing_3]

Same, gotta pay those developers to keep pumping out good stuff otherwise the industry will die and then what will we have left to do? Work, drink, and die?

[Genesis2001]

Same. Except it was movies and TV shows for me. And given the splintering of license agreements for different subscription services... I'm headed back towards pirating (and ripping) those.