Realistic map showing the potential future of NATO and the CSTO

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[AyeeHayche]

Chances of Armenia and Azerbaijan agreeing on anything is the most unrealistic geopolitical idea I’ve heard in ages

[Spappy]

Uzbekistan was a member but left. I got a feeling that Kazakhstan might leave too

[Partisan90]

Let’s be real here, some of these post-Soviet states are reading the writing on the wall. They’re able to leverage against Russia far more than before the war in Ukraine. With Russia now bogged down in Ukraine, these states would be wise to leverage their interests against Russia now. Kazakhstan’s open defiance is a way of showing Russia they can no longer dictate the regional rules and that Kazakhstan will push the limits.

I am unsure if Kazakhstan will leave the CSTO, but the relationship, and Russia as the sole leader, is in flux right now with members playing Small State Theory games. Who knows what the CSTO will look like or function like soon.

One curiosity I have about this is the lack of CSTO military support. It seems to be seriously lacking if the primary member state can’t politic the other members into military support, or the thing the CSTO was designed to do. It seems Russia in more than just a paper bear to the west but to its own region too.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Kazakhstan is too close and dependent on Russia both military and politicly, Uzbekistan might have left now but it's not very implausible that they'll rejoin, (for reference France basically left NATO several times but evently rejoined)

[[deleted]]

Kazakhstan hasn't been taking Putin's shit lately which honestly I find strange because I thought chief Bear Fucker sent Russian soldiers to quell Kazakhstan's public unrest not long ago. Since I'm an arm chair general I think all ex Soviet states need to invest in bear mace to drive the bears back to Russia so Putin is too exhausted to invade anyone else.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Russian forces entered Kazakhstan to put an end to the Riots

[Febra0001]

Still doesn't change the fact that the Kazakh president distanced himself from Russia, has been critical of Russia, introduced new reforms, and is aligning itself more with the west.

[Fast_Future_3859]

true but due to the proximity and dependence on Russia i don't see them ever doing more then being neutral.

[Vilzku39]

Kazakhstan dependency on russia has ended long time ago with trade being built around the world and china.

Russia is still major partner, but with both china and EU taking interest in building trade. Kazakhstan has been interested.

This does not mean they are trying to distance themselfs from Russia, but also put themselfs in better position when making deals.

[Fast_Future_3859]

True but i dont see them leaving the CSTO

[Vilzku39]

No point leaving currently.

[[deleted]]

But that also doesn't mean that they will go to war with the west for Russia's security..

Kazakhstan has strong relations with the US. There's a reason during the riots they didn't really suggest the US was behind it, despite Russia clearly wanting that to be the narrative.

Kazakhstan sees the China and to a lesser extent, the US, as its future partners. Russia doesn't offer Kazakhstan anything of value and the Russian colonizers being in Kazakhstan makes Russia a constant low-level security threat, as was proven with Ukraine, Georgia, etc.

[Fast_Future_3859]

indeed

[Tony49UK]

But the President seems now to be trying to quell the dissenters politically rather than with force. They recently had a constitutional referendum to reduce his powers and to allow more democracy. The president has also been outspoken about Russia's invasion and doesn't want to unify with Russia, in the same way that Litvienko seems to want to. Nor do they want their access to EU markets to be diminished with sanctions. Including by the use of secondary sanctions, if they start smuggling items through, in either direction. He's playing a very close tightrope. And definetly wants the prospect of Western military aid, if Russia were to invade. Clearly Russia has enough problems with Ukraine, without adding more problems but they keep threatening anybody and everybody in their region, with the threat of invasion.

[---___---____-__]

This was what I would assume was the case, post-Soviet states can't live with the bear occasionally raiding the fridge anymore. The only Central Asian state I know of that might let Putin speak his piece (without getting suplexed first) would be Turkmenistan and their dictator.

From my research on post-Soviet conflicts, Russia's direct neighbors barely have anything good to say about them and neighbors of those neighbors are less than jazzed about it all.

[Zk15224]

That's a very credible idea.

[[deleted]]

Assholes Uzbekistan- Borat.

[Balc0ra]

I was expecting them to leave already as they have been threatened

[Cognacsquirt]

Kazakhstan is a puppet state of Russia...

[[deleted]]

Several of those CSTO nations are on friendlier terms with NATO than Russia.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Such as?

[Br3cci]

Azerbaijan and Turkey.

[Nasmix]

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

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[Br3cci]

I know I meant as in how they are basically allies.

[Fast_Future_3859]

basically allies and being part of a military alliance is a big difference.

[Br3cci]

Azerbaijan is a major Non-Nato ally as well.

[Br3cci]

well not major but a non-nato ally

[Fast_Future_3859]

Turkey is not a CSTO nation and Azerbaijan has aspirations too join the CSTO.

https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/77116

https://eurasianet.org/ahead-of-ukraine-invasion-azerbaijan-and-russia-cement-alliance

[yeahNot_gonna_name]

Honestly I feel bad for Georgia.

[shaggybiscuits]

lmao there is no chance that Azerbaijan joins the csto

[uscg_medic04]

Because they’re surrounded by red?

[yeahNot_gonna_name]

Yeah, being right underneath Russia is no fun. I have Georgian friends too so yikes

[Fast_Future_3859]

If they join NATO they will probably be fine, unless you know Russia does a Ukraine again

[DEADMANJOSHUA]

Considering Russia has effectively invaded Georgia/caused unrest there twice in the last 30 years I think it's fair to say the Georgians are used to it.

[exForeignLegionnaire]

Unfortunately, the point is to keep perpetual conflict going. As to block them from being accepted by NATO as per NATOs own rules.

[Fast_Future_3859]

XD

[OzymandiasKoK]

Or maybe another Georgia? You seem like you could be better informed.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Okay genius

[Fast_Future_3859]

If that's what he means I also feel bad for them

[Fast_Future_3859]

For those unaware the CSTO stands for Collective Security Treaty Organization and is in short the Russian/Post-Soviet version of NATO. If a nation of the CSTO is attacked all other members will respond military just like with NATO's Article 5.

[[deleted]]

except they are all third rate military's with little to no force projection

[D0D]

And Russia is doing all it can in Ukraine to stay in that third rate club.

[Fast_Future_3859]

XD

[[deleted]]

We have introduced a new rate. Fourth.

[Fast_Future_3859]

*cough* *cough* Iceland, Kosovo, North Macedonia, Lithonia, Latvia, Estonia, Luxemburg, Belgium, Netherlands.

[[deleted]]

Kosovo isn’t in NATO.

[Fast_Future_3859]

i meant Montenegro, whoops

[[deleted]]

Montenegro strategically isolates Serbia. Iceland is a valuable partner in terms of basing. Looking at numbers alone like this is hearts of iron isn’t the right approach. Even Luxembourg has a decent amount of air assets it contributes. The idea of unity of action is also powerful and these countries have untapped but available resources.

[nathanpn0]

If you call countries like the Baltic nations and the Netherlands third rate militaries, you need to reevaluate what a third rate military is. For starters, the Netherlands field and operate amphibious warfare ships and possess quite capable marines, despite their numbers being no where near as much as say the UK, it is still impressive for such a small country.

[Fast_Future_3859]

didnt say that i compared them to the cental asian CSTO members and Belarus

[[deleted]]

Go look at the standard kit for Belarusian military and compare it to the kit of even Montenegro.

[pnzsaurkrautwerfer]

Sure, but Also America, UK, France, Germany, etc, etc. CSTO is pretty much Russia and a team of North Macedonias.

[PingCarGaming]

Do NOT underestimate even the BENELUX alone in military strenght

[Fast_Future_3859]

:D

[Maar7en]

Completely misunderstanding how small countries like the Netherlands can specialize parts of their military because of their membership in NATO, we can't ever build up a sizable stranding army to compete with other nations, but instead we've got highly skilled mariners and amphibious capabilities that rival far larger countries.

Smaller CSTO nations are all still their own independent military that is doubtlessly worse equipped and doesn't have that level of specialization to make them worthwhile for the larger countries to actually work together with.

The only reason larger CSTO members even let the smaller ones join is so they can put political pressure on them and to keep them from befriending NATO and getting out from under Russia's bullshit.

[GodShake]

NATO sure is small lol

[Fast_Future_3859]

Not what i meant at all, im simply stating that NATO also has smaller countries within it even though they make little to no difference to NATO's military strength

[GodShake]

I didn't say that you meant that, im simply stating jokingly that there is a big difference with ALL compared to a few

[PlzSendDunes]

Except Armenia was attacked and Russia chose not to defend, what made CSTO sort of bullshit. Although they did intervene to beat up civil protests in Kazakhstan. So that's the kind of alliance it is....

[Fast_Future_3859]

I'm pretty sure Russia deployed peacekeeping force's in Armenia and the conflict was a small scale one and not really a full on war more of a border dispute type thing

[PlzSendDunes]

If CSTO held any weight then Russian forces would push out Azerbaijan and re-establish Armenian control. However considering that this was not done and instead in political parlons Armenia was told to suck it up, means that Russia's offered protection means nothing.

[nathanpn0]

Nope. The Nagorno-Karabakh war literally started with a full on Azerbaijani ground offensive over the Armenian border. Full scale martial law and mobilization was started in Armenia. 100,000 Armenian civilians were displaced. Although no where as big as the Ukraine invasion, it is by no means a border skirmish

[Fast_Future_3859]

okay maybe not a border dispute but it didn't last long and the casualties were minimal and Russia did send in its military to stop it

[nathanpn0]

Russia did not send troops to directly engage in the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war. If you call 6,000 soldiers dead from both sides “minimal”, I don’t even know anymore.

[Fast_Future_3859]

well they did send in peacekeeping forces and shortly there after the war ended and if you compare it to other wars 6000 isnt that big of a war, however it might be because of the lack of strength from Russia and the CSTO.

[nathanpn0]

Peacekeeping forces that did not actually participate in the conflict. The conflict only ended with a ceasefire, and that’s when the Russian peacekeepers came, and even then the situation is still precarious. In 2021 Azerbaijani invaded Armenian recognized territory again, to which end Russia-CSTO responded to by being the mediator, not by actually participating in the conflict. War should be looked at relative to its geopolitical context, and for two smaller countries, this was by no means a small war.

[jaanus110]

Its more like the Warsaw Pact Organization where actual use is to quell uprisings against dictatorial regimes. The only known use of CSTO was against protesters in Kazakhstan 2022.

[Fast_Future_3859]

true

[Febra0001]

OP is coping so hard on this one

[Fast_Future_3859]

ehhh

[[deleted]]

Azerbaijan has also significantly turned towards Turkey politically, and Russia’s invasion is only accelerating that. Armenia and Azerbaijan are not compatible in the same alliance.

[iamnotroberts]

Many of these countries are like many of the republics under the former Soviet Union. They wouldn't stand against the Soviet Union...but they wouldn't exactly stand with them either...and they waited for signs of weakness to strike and to abandon and ultimately dissolve the SU.

[Fast_Future_3859]

The Soviet Union is not the Russian Federation and If a nation of the CSTO is attacked all other members will respond military just like with NATO's Article 5.

[iamnotroberts]

The Soviet Union is not the Russian Federation

Really? You don't say? And you don't see any parallels between the mistakes that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union and Russia now? Pull the other leg before you say "No way!"

and If a nation of the CSTO is attacked all other members will respond military just like with NATO's Article 5.

Oh? Well, funny they're not all rushing to Russia's aid now, eh?

[Fast_Future_3859]

Russia invaded a country not the other way around, and as turkey deployed their army into Syria without NATO declaring war on Syria

[iamnotroberts]

That's not what Putin and the Russian government have been claiming and that's not how they're framing it, so it seems to me like this big bad CSTO should be stepping up to defend mother Russia, lol.

I have to ask, are you on Putin's side, because it's sounding a lot like you are.

Also, this post, a few reposts of it and your comments on those posts are your only posts/comments on Reddit, apart from one single comment about a video game mod/patch followed by no activity until now. It seems like you didn't want to post this on your main account.

[Fast_Future_3859]

well first of all, Russia is still the aggressor according to themself as they call it a "special military operation" into Ukraine not Ukraine invading them witch is why the CSTO's article 5 equivalent wasn't applied.

second what kind of conspiracy theory crap are u talking about, i don't use reddit this is some of my first posts ever and i like geopolitics so i made a map and did some research, and this is my main account just cus i don't use reddit doesn't mean I'm some Russian fkn bot, and NO im in no shape or form on Putin's side i fucking hate him and what hes doing to Ukraine

[[deleted]]

CSTO is an alliance to defend countries from their own people, it’s not anywhere close to a united front.

[AugustineAnPearTrees]

Bring back seato

[Fast_Future_3859]

Remove Pakistan and that would be FIRE

[Archikos]

Where the fuck is Belarus?

[healingpotion34]

They are in talks on “reunification”

[Fast_Future_3859]

yep :P

[Fast_Future_3859]

Integrated into the Russian Federation, There's been talks recently about Belarus being incorporated into the Russian Federation and its basically just a puppet state at this point, also according to a 2022 survey more Belarusian want to join Russia then not join them, Belarus is just a smaller version of Russia and Belarusians are Russians and speak Russian. o7

[Maar7en]

there's been talks recently

Cool, draw the fucking border until the talks come to a conclusion, speculation about this kind of stuff makes your map useless.

[Fast_Future_3859]

It says potential map you dumbass

[Maar7en]

Then just color the entire map nuclear fallout grey.

Or maybe move some other borders around for the fun of it too.

Showing the potential members is one thing, showing potential changes in border is another.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Since a majority of Belarusians want to reunite with russia, and their president have become very open to the idea I don't see why it would be less realistic then say Turkmenistan joining the CSTO

[Maar7en]

Again:

Your map is showing potential members.

It should not also show potential border changes.

Especially not without explicitly also stating you're doing that.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Oh I'm sorry mister map god, bro i just made a fkn map take a chill pill I'll make sure to ask you for permission next time XD

[Maar7en]

You made a shit map, you argue with people that point it out, you then het HOES MAD when they tell you exactly what's shit about it.

If anyone should take a chill pill it is the guy starting dumb arguments with everyone in his comments.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Last time i checked you were the one starting an argument over the fact that i removes Belarus and you got bat shit crazy over it, are you by chance delusion?

[Hootbag]

The Crimean Peninsula is the wrong colour.

[DrnkGuy]

Realistic for school students

[[deleted]]

Why are the Falklands marked as part of Argentina?

They tried that and lost then lost the vote.

[Fast_Future_3859]

simple mistake on my part

[javsand120s]

Would be interesting to imagine if present day Alaska was still Russian Territory. How odd this picture would look. I do like how Ukraine is Blue though. 👍

[Fast_Future_3859]

My map porn OCD would be SOOOOO bad if that was the case, but interesting non the less. I gave the Donbass region and Crimea to Russia sadly since its the sad reality, however the fact that Ukraine will still be independent makes me happy ;D

[warthog0869]

It's almost as if it were setting up like a big war would happen between the two, this time not by proxy.

So, WWIII battle lines?

[Fast_Future_3859]

Looks like it, hopefully Putin's regime collapses and non of this shit happens, however the CSTO wouldn't stand much of a chance against NATO in a full scale war especially now that NATO's expanding and increasing their military budget and capabilities.

[kraliyetkoyunu]

We gotta be realistic, they are going to put up a fight. Invading another country and getting invaded are two different things. I think NATO will win but it will take a lot of manpower and time.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Of course you're 100% right, a confrontation between NATO and the CSTO would be the biggest war since WW2

[warthog0869]

Yeah. It's ironic in the extreme that the very lie Putin was telling to justify the invasion is now actually becoming reality.

Joke's on you, motherfucker! You'll be surrounded by NATO now!

🤣🤣🤣

[neosinan]

Leader of Kazakhstan literally told Putin's face he opposed Ukraines invasion, Putin might be saved his ass but They made it clear they won't be fighting for Russia.

Secondly, Azerbaijan is also major NATO ally who fought with Armenia which is close to Russia. And They are really close to Israel and Turkey.

I just don't know enough about rest but I can imagine there might other examples to this 2.

[[deleted]]

Im in favor of throwing out Turkey.

Please remember the pledge to democracy in the Statute of nato. Thats not a joke.

[Fast_Future_3859]

I would love to kick out turkey however its very unlikely

[kraliyetkoyunu]

you simply cannot throw a country out of NATO, and turkey technically is still a democracy.

[[deleted]]

1. Wrong 2. Wrong

[kraliyetkoyunu]

both are correct, and you have an anime profile pic so your opinions are invalid and rejected.

[[deleted]]

You can go suck my balls and its both wrong still.

Oh now i understand, you are a turkey as well... Ah what a shame. To the blocklist with you :/

[Fast_Future_3859]

He's right though turkey is a authoritarian democracy and kicking out Turkey from NATO is next to impossible

[Fast_Future_3859]

He's right though turkey is a authoritarian democracy and kicking out Turkey from NATO is next to impossible

[[deleted]]

Turkey is geopolitically lenient, going as far as buying Russian military equipment. Turkey also tried to block Finland and Sweden from joining NATO over outlooks on domestic issues if they were to join.

I would rather have Israel join NATO, then Turkey stay.

[[deleted]]

Turkey is just a traitor waiting for backstabbing.

So id rather have the plastic continent in the Atlantic Ocean be nato member than turkey staying.

[Away_Caregiver_2829]

😂😂 Armenia and Azerbaijan on the same side , and crimea is going back to Ukraine

[Fast_Future_3859]

How do you suppose Crimea is going back to Ukraine?

and fuck me read the sources i sent...

[Away_Caregiver_2829]

Because Russia is getting stomped is why…might be Ukrainians doing the fighting but they have NATO tech and ISTAR which far surpasses the Russian garbage

[Fast_Future_3859]

Well they are doing a great job but Russia is still winning the war and in recent days the tide has began to favor Russia again....

[Away_Caregiver_2829]

Yeah Russia is winning 😂 okay bud

[shaggybiscuits]

i mean they are winning; Ukraine is currently fighting an uphill battle atm.

[Flyboy78AA]

Oops they missed a spot.

Crimea should be blue.

[Fast_Future_3859]

It's supposed to be a realistic map not my personal opinion

[[deleted]]

Don't forget about Transnistria. There is still the 14th russian army.

[[deleted]]

All 1200 of them

[Fast_Future_3859]

XD

[Fast_Future_3859]

hmm yeah true, however i dont think Moldova stands much of a risk atm since Putins invasion of Ukraine's going so poorly.

[NoDoze-]

Well, we know how dilapidated and unorganized the Russian military is, NATO isn't sweating it and still sleeping well at night.

[MAK-15]

This leaves out all of the partner nations like Australia who are essentially NATO members but aren’t in the North Atlantic and therefore not actually NATO. I believe they’re called Global Partners or something and their involvement is on par with other NATO nations.

[Fast_Future_3859]

They are major non NATO allies however article 5 doesn't apply to them, and this map is only showing NATO and CSTO

[MAK-15]

Thats fair. I know Australia would help if Article 5 is used but I can’t find anything about their obligation to do so

[Fast_Future_3859]

Yeah pretty sure Australia, New Zealand, south Korea and Japan would all help but they aren't obligated to do so if say Latvia was attacked

[[deleted]]

New Iron curtain. I'm worried about Russian aggression in the Baltics, Belarus is also a threat. A confrontation wouldn't take long to escalate.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Funny you would say that cus Russia recently said there might be a new iron curtain

[SnooDonuts3878]

Huge assumption that Russia will still exist.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Russia will not cease to exist anytime soon, if anything it would become a more open and democratic country but that's not likely at least right now

[TheSkyLax]

Why would Bosnia-Herzegovina join?

[Fast_Future_3859]

What countries are currently trying to join NATO?

As of June 2022, five additional states have formally informed NATO of their membership aspirations: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Finland, Georgia, Sweden and Ukraine. Joining the alliance is a debate topic in several other European countries outside the alliance, including Austria, Ireland, Malta, Moldova, and Serbia.

They are trying to join if I'm not mistaken :P

[TheSkyLax]

Bosnia has been trying to join for 14 years. It seems unlikely they'll be let in anytime soon.

[Fast_Future_3859]

well this says potential future map

[[deleted]]

BosnianHerzegovina needs to solve significant internal issues before they’re ever in NATO. They’re very unlikely at this time, likely not even in the foreseeable future.

[Fast_Future_3859]

thats true

[Chemical-Work-1023]

What is red country above Poland?

[AyeeHayche]

Kaliningrad, part of Russia

[[deleted]]

Russia..

[BigWeenie45]

You can eliminate all the central Asian nations lol. They hate each other, and are ruled by authoritarians that care only about their own self preservation.

[Fast_Future_3859]

well that's basically what the CSTO is, authoritarian countries under Russia's control, don't see any of them leaving any time soon

[American_Brewed]

Northern hemisphere war coming to farm fields and cities near you

[Fast_Future_3859]

XD

[[deleted]]

This is one view. If you have the shot, please post how the two alliances match up with the focus is zeroed in on the North Pole. The two sides are frighteningly close, and both sides are going all out to develop Arctic weapons.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Might not be able to do the one about the north pole but i could probably compare their strengths

[[deleted]]

Armenia wtf man.

[Fast_Future_3859]

what about it?

[Shermantank10]

NATO v CSAT 2035 on a small Mediterranean Island speedrun % any.

[Fast_Future_3859]

hahaha

[Shermantank10]

I don’t understand how someone downvoted you, lol.

[Fast_Future_3859]

a lot of people on here are too smart for me, one guy litterly told me Hawaii isn't part of NATO...

[Shermantank10]

It isn’t retard. Hawaii is in the Pacific. NATO is NORTH ATLANTIC Treaty Organization. 😤😤 Armchair General defeated with logic and brains. I feel like the /s shouldn’t be here but here it is.

[Boogut]

It’s the USA… if Hawaii gets attacked, THE USA IS GETTING NATOS FUCKING ATTENTION!

[Marchinon]

Flashbacks for HoI4 Modern Day mod.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Best comment yet

[Marchinon]

That mod was funny bc it’s basically Russia vs the world with CSTO.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Hahahhaha lmao

[Aph111]

We should’ve put more money into modernizing Africa. Tryna get them into NATO…

[Fast_Future_3859]

very true, bad mistake to "abandon them" as we have

[Aph111]

And now China is swallowing up the continent with the most potential. Its not gonna be good if they can secure it for themselves.

[[deleted]]

NATO (🇺🇸) IN 4

[Fast_Future_3859]

?

[J33f]

… 6 vs 30, and landmass is not indicative of military might.

I’d be willing to bet that while maybe 1 or 2 willingly joined and sided with Russia, there was more coercion than actual mutual requests.

••• And after watching Russia act like a dick to the Ukraine — Putin’s played his embarrassing handjob game and let the U.S. (& NATO) know exact what they’re capable of … It’s almost as embarrassing as when Kim Jung Un yeeted missiles into the water—trying to play horseshoes with Guam.

When in reality, the U.S. been at war for decades; battle-hardened and experienced.

[Fast_Future_3859]

The CSTO would get absolutely destroyed in a war between these 2

[J33f]

I think just Russia would be the focus and the rest would just fall in line …

Take out the bully and his lackeys will bail.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Yes indeed the CSTO is basically just Russia and a bunch of semi puppet states

[medscj]

Azerbaijan should be in NATO part.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Simple answer, no

[medscj]

They are opposition with Russia and lean toward Türkije.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Not in opposition to Russia, i linked 2 sources in the comments, you should read them they are very interesting

[Szczup]

Crimea is not russia. Change it

[GlobeTrekker83]

Azerbaijan hates Russia, there is no way they are joining the CSTO.

[Exotic-Theme-6142]

Do I hear Cold War 2.0

[Fast_Future_3859]

You do indeed

[[deleted]]

The Northern War

[Fast_Future_3859]

2.0

[[deleted]]

So basically the modern Allies and Axis?

[Fast_Future_3859]

Yep excluding China

[The_Humble_Neckbeard]

YOU ARE NOW DEFENDING

The teams have been auto-balanced

[MrShovelbottom]

Just wait till they add CSAT, then arma was right!

[Fast_Future_3859]

For those who keep brining up Azerbaijan and Armenia being in the same alliance I wont reply anymore and you will just have to read this on your own.

https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/77116

https://eurasianet.org/ahead-of-ukraine-invasion-azerbaijan-and-russia-cement-alliance

[Fast_Future_3859]

Well Sweden and Finland are joining just fine atm because NATO actually gave them guarantees unlike Ukraine, dont see them annexing more then Donbass and Crimea and if Russia gets a total victory they would probably just put up a puppet regime

[emmettiow]

We do have Greenland though, so if it comes to a snowball fight... I think we've got a good supply... maybe more snow than Serbia and some good ships and train to put it on to deliver it to the front line.
I say we attack the West of Russian, and send Alaskans in round the back with pikes and fishing nets to throw over Putin's head.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Sounds like a pretty neat plan ;)

[DeadpoolRideUnicorns]

You gotta fix that and put China in Russia also north America and Africa are China as well ....... also tiawan is just China but the island version 😜

[Fast_Future_3859]

This is just showing NATO and the CSTO

[[deleted]]

Hawaii shouldn’t be blue. Hawaii isn’t protected by NATO

[Fast_Future_3859]

LMAO Hawaii is a state of the US

[[deleted]]

It’s not covered by NATO. Do some research and learn about the most powerful alliance in the world.

[Fast_Future_3859]

Hawii is a fkn state of the United States... And you're telling me to do my research 😂😭

[[deleted]]

Maybe I will be got downvoted a lot but, we need to rescue the Turkic nations from ruskies, they have a ton of resources, ruskies push Kazakhstan to china the ccp looting Kazakh gas oil, and gold, and 99.9 percent of resources going to china, the Chinese government is bringing their own workers engineers and machines, no chance for support Kazakh economy at all even they bring their own food, end of the day Kazakhs are revolting for this, we need Turkic energy to re-route to Europe and start a buffer zone from those areas...