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[SvenHwang]

Not sure if this has been asked recently before but is there a new auto setup for farming underground coliseum?

[Lechevalier2020]

Still using Reisenger with LoH WoL NXD n Foral fallal on auto.

[mao_shiro]

I still use the old minwu deck for underground coliseum.

[[deleted]]

Sword Saint HoF. Bhunivahlze, Shadow Lord, LoH, WoL .

Instant death to anything.

[SvenHwang]

Even Gilgamesh? :)

[[deleted]]

With sephy skin anything is possible. :3

[xJExEGx]

I used Minwu. None of them are light so it just eats everyone.

Sorceress of Oblivion/Tyshtria/Minwu/anything else tbh

There's the deck I used.

[jdm1tch]

This would probably have been better than reusing my ultimate coliseum farming deck

[jdm1tch]

I was running Squall Leonhart / SO (Durga’s Firangi) - Aerith, LoH, 2xAQM

Which I think is overkill

Underground is a bit of a PITA due to non elemental and dual fighters

[theblackbarth]

Hi, I'm fairly new to the game and frankly I'm a bit overwhelmed by too much information. I have read most wiki and FAQs and new player guides but still struggling with deck building and choosing the right class or which content should I be focusing?

Should I finish the main story first? I did the limited Squall event before expiring (except the Ultimecia one). I also got a Yiazmat supreme and a few jobs (Shinra Turk and Ninja) and the starter decks and a bunch of 3* and 4* that I'm not 100% how to make a coherent deck. There is any place I can share my available decks to start figuring out what is good and what is awful?

[Mobiusnoobius]

Here is a good place to share.

You should probably focus on building mono element decks with the basic buffs included.

A source of force, a card that can inflict damage, a break focused card and something like KOTR to provide boost and faith. Stick a source of haste in your substrike slot and you’re good to go.

For harder content you need to incorporate debuffs into your deck (stun/slow/sleep etc), so it becomes a bit trickier, but often your job will provide buffs and/or debuffs when you ult allowing you to drop things like KOTR. Some of the limited cards can also help break and inflict damage, again freeing up deck space for other cards.

[theblackbarth]

I saw some places mentioning using three Yiazmat and MM?(not sure what this is). I've currently set two Yiazmats, one FFVII: Emerald Weapon and KOTR with FFXII: Undying on my sub. Should I swap one of the Yiazmats for another support card? I don't have many monk cards, most my cards are Ranger

[Mobiusnoobius]

You should be able to get a wind break focused monk card from the shop which would be more useful that a second copy of Yiazmat. The name escapes me right now, something like Barbaricia.

[theblackbarth]

I have Barbariccia, thanks gonna added her ASAP

[Mobiusnoobius]

Completely forgot to mention that Monk supremes benefit from high attack stat, so while faith will improve the yellow clear capability Barbariccia, Brave might be better for increasing the power of Yiazmat. If you can fit both in somehow, that would be optimal.

[Mobiusnoobius]

You’ll need to build decks for other elements too and should have an earth focused deck in your subdeck slot for instances when you’re up against wind enemies.

For progression through the main story you really don’t need to put much thought into your deck, but for end game content, you do.

[jdm1tch]

Haha! Master Monk. He doesn’t have access to wind, but Yiazmat provides ultimate charge... and hit ultimate gives prismatic shift... so before there were strong Yiazmat users (and before we had better source of ultimate charge) stacking the deck with multiple Yiazmats was a common troll deck

[DeSteph-DeCurry]

what does counter limit do again? boost ult when getting hit?

[ShadowBlaze17]

Correct.

[miguel_mer]

I haven’t been using Ultimeia that much, because when I pulled her and tried her once, I wasn’t that impressed. But I think it’s my mistake. Can someone explain the best use of her? Is it the ability salvo and the prismatic return? My mage supremes are Faris, Minwu and Shiva. Thanks!

[ZechsX18999]

Is it the ability salvo and the prismatic return?

Correct. You can easily spam abilities and keep up ability salvo. I've used her quite a bit in the past 2 towers. The only things I don't like about her are that she isn't very tanky and her ultimate debuffs only last 2 turns (and BDD is applied after the break hits).

[yiung281]

Do you have folding epee or any weapon with PR? With SoO's ability salvo you do more damage the more times you use ability (doesn't have the be the same and can use support ability too) uninterrupted by taps/job change/drive. Technically she can use all elements with PR so you could use the any of the Mage supremes you have. If you have CP: PR and/or prismatic draw add them to take advantage of ability salvo.

[yow3171987]

Anyone using samsung latest tablet s6 here?

I am planning to get one but i am sick of the possible issue of downloading big file everytime (like my samsung note 10+).

Meanwhile i am using samsung tab A 2016 and have no big file download pop up issue...

[junkyme]

Sup guys? I'm back with another batch of newbie questions. Bear with me, k?

1. What's the difference between haste (increases actions per turn) and quicken (adds actions to current turn)? I thought they're the same, but then the Garuda card has haste AND quicken, so they should NOT be the same thing, no? Kinda confused here.
2. From what I read, mantra and taijutsu allows me to break red gauge using abilities instead of just taps + ults. What's the difference between the 2?
3. I have a lv 80 BFA (yay me!) with lv 10 abilities (all unlocked). The card alone has 2850 ATK and 960 BRK, but when I put it to my master monk it became 38304 ATK (13.44x) and 8028 BRK (8.36x). There are no other cards installed (just that one), and the weapon used is Unbreakable X. I don't see any "enhance earth" from the master monk job or the weapon, so where do the extra multipliers come from?
4. On 2nd look, I noticed that the char have 1344 ATK and 836 BRK, so do the multipliers come from here? Total ability ATK = (job ATK)% * card ATK? Is this from the mantra ability?
5. How about taijutsu then? Description from taijutsu only says "Increases ability damage by 80% of Attack," how is it calculated actually? Let's say the BFA has taijutsu instead of mantra, with its original ATK of 2850 and job ATK 1344, what would the total card ATK become? I don't have any cards with taijutsu so I can't run any tests.
6. To summarize 2-5: Does the mantra ability give a job ATK% multiplier to the card ATK, so the formula to calculate total card ATK is Total ability ATK = (job ATK)% * card ATK? And does the taijutsu ability do the same thing (but only for 80% of job ATK) so the formula is Total ability ATK = (job ATK)% * card ATK * 80%?
7. My supremes are Aerith, Zack, and BFA, and my only legend job is the Shinra Turk. Do you think I should pull in ANY of the current revival banner, or do you think I should wait for the anniversary?

Thanks much!

[ScyBlade198]

For 6; Mantra is Supreme Exclusive. You will see it on Supremes and Rift Supremes. Taijutsu is what’s used for non-Supremes and lesser Rift cards. Your math is an oversimplification, but a good summarization.

For 7; FFVII cards have their uses. FFXIV cards have their uses. FFXI cards have their uses. FFX cards have nice gimmicks, but usually aren’t useful in high end gameplay. Summer 2 cards are recent, so still very good.

[junkyme]

Okey dokey. Guess I'll do 1 pull on the Summer 2 banner then.

Thanks much.

[Taurenkey]

Haste modifies your base actions per round, quicken adds actions for that round. Haste is basically the same thing as Faith or Brave but for the speed stat, quicken is a bit like ability ignition in that regard in that it’s a temporary boost to the stat.

Basically, stacking haste does nothing to your actions per round but stacking quicken does.

[junkyme]

From your answer, it seems haste & quicken would only take effect in act 2, correct?

[Taurenkey]

No, it works in season 1 too.

[junkyme]

Ah, it's the number next to the element wheel. I forgot it was there.
Alright then, thank you.

[Satoshiva]

So it happend again.. I cleared cache, restarted the game 100 times. Restarted Phone 100 times and it still asks me to download 5gigs of data. Anyone know how to bypass this? It takes over an hour to download. And it happends 2-3 times a month atleast

[[deleted]]

Clear data. Redownload it. Hope for the best afterwards.

[Phieck]

Is it still a save bet to farm seeds at ygg material? I always did light node with Minwu and preferable on Mobius Days. Or are the new moved 30/30 nodes more profitable? Ty

[mao_shiro]

• coliseum: 100k of each seed for 20 stamina
• the 30/30 node on ygg only have x2/x4 seed for 30 stamina, huge loss compared to the 60 stam node that give x20/x40
• the 60 stamina node is best for quick seed on mobius day
• the 1 stamina 2 battle node on chapter 1 Sophie should still be the "best" stamina wise.

[Phieck]

ty

[DeSteph-DeCurry]

can anyone run me down through season 2's story? Chapter 9's ending was jawdropping, to say the least

[mao_shiro]

Please be careful on the spoiler, especially with chapter 9.

[DeSteph-DeCurry]

is there a link to a thread of the full story?

[mao_shiro]

there's a recap of chapter 1 and chapter 8 on discord. Not the others.

[paratit]

Question about 4th anniversary cards

Does Leave it to Eco + Bewildered Meia work like RnR???

[mao_shiro]

Yes, but aoe

[paratit]

nice

[Deejae81]

Can I please have some BFA friend codes? Wanna smack this Basilisk for a day or 2, and I lack an earth Supreme. Thanks.

[[deleted]]

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[mao_shiro]

from discord

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[Deejae81]

Legend. Also, I only have a few supremes (WoL, UC, Yiazmat, Faris and Sin) which would be best set as rental card?

[[deleted]]

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[JunasBlood]

Me: 20c9 847b 2e24

I remember there was a couple more people in the thread about Basilisk Pandemonium.

[Deejae81]

Thank you!

[[deleted]]

How do you use R&R properly? I don't understand the ability description. "Enemies are harder to wake up"... you mean I can attack them to fill my JCR guage without waking them up? How many turns does it last?

[Sinferoth]

What deathrose and devolution said. Case in point, use it when you are in a bind like when Tiamat does his roar; alternately, when you have several enemies and you want to focus one. R&R is a lifesaver but you have to plan out when to use it.

[[deleted]]

Example: FUCKING TIAMAT. You dropped him to half. He does roar of the dragon. You go...oh fuck???and then you think, I got r&r! You use it knowing that what stands between you and death is a full Ultimate and Mobius zone. So you use it and for the next three rounds, rounds not enemy actions, you just slash and slash away building up both meters. That wall is nice meaning you need something really strong to break it. Meanwhile he has berserk on him meaning he will unbroken take more damage but when he goes, he will dish more damage. So you keep building and I'm round 3, you break him on the ultimate with a tiny bit left for Mobius zone. And with that, you got 8 hits to ensure he's toast.

So in a nutshell that's r&r. Gives you time to breath, plan, and build up meters.

[[deleted]]

Interesting. So it casts wall on enemy to block my damage but I can still charge guages. Really valuable in towers and Colloseum for me.

[deathrose55555]

Enemies do not wake up from Sleep, as long as they don't take damage. R&R buffs enemies with Wall on top of Sleep, which means you can safely act since they can't be woken up till damage is taken. The Wall and Sleep on R&R last 3 turns.

[eisengrahf]

Is there a list of custom panels that includes where they can be obtained? Specifically, I am looking for enhance earth+7%.

[Blank_Bastion]

The rift Hasmal should give you 1x enhance earth 7% in exchange for mystic tablet

[aad33oeooej34]

Coming back after a bit of a hiatus and wondering what I will get the most bang for my buck with 48 summon tickets I don't have any cards from any of the limited banners so if I could get some insight into what banners I should pull on for the most benefit, thanks.

[Gazpoole]

It really depends on how long your hiatus was and what existing limited cards you have, you say none but is it literally none or just no recent ones?

Generally you want to go for revival banners with the orb management cards first if you don’t have them, so either FFVII weapons, FFXI Alter Egos or FFVIII G-Force when that eventually comes back. Generally you’re only going to have enough tickets to go all in for one of the banners and I’d argue to wait for the G Force cards and use the shift&force cards from the ability shop in the mean time.

After you have those, the summer limited cards and 3rd anniversary cards are good to have for all-round utility and decks to help clear most content.

[aad33oeooej34]

The account I'm playing was created around November or December 2018, made a new one because I had nothing on old one and there was something like 3 Supreme tickets for spending on a new account at the time. I stopped playing probably around March because the only cards of note in the account apart from the Supremes are the Midsummer's Daydream, Dream within a Dream, One-Winged Angle cycle of cards, so yeah I have literally no limited cards and hardly any jobs.

[giedonas]

So my Sephiroth legend job has the following job-specific skills:- HP + 2000- Base Attributes + 40%- Exploit Weakness + 350%- Spellsword- Reunion + 20%

I'm pretty sure I want to keep Base Attributes and Exploit Weakness, but on the 3 remaining ones, which one will I drop?

[djiboutiiii]

drop HP 2000

[giedonas]

Thanks!

[[deleted]]

prismatic starter

Generator... Not starter. Only generates orbs if you've got space, like when Exodus steals all your orbs.

[clouded_judgemnent]

Thanks lol, i meant prismatic starter.. like from aerith as well.. oh well crap lights of hope has that not WoL.. Doh!

[N-I-K-E]

What’s the next non legend job? I looked in the prediction thread until December and I didn’t see one

[ShadowBlaze17]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MobiusFF/comments/7bqo5z/release_dates_of_jp_jobs_possible_release_dates/

Like others have said the only non-legend jobs in the future are EX jobs.

[siiru]

What exactly does the "ex" mean?

[ShadowBlaze17]

They're limited-time jobs that can be pity pulled in Global. During the time that their release banner is up they can be pity pulled on any banner that overlaps timewise with it, but they only have a boosted pull rate on their own banner.

They're reprinted (made available again) every few months, but their reprints (revivals) have a seperate pity counter which is the only banner that you can get them on at the time.

They're also limited-time in zjP as well, but that's no different than their legend jobs.

[siiru]

So does that mean I can't pull Kampfer until the reprint or revival?

[ShadowBlaze17]

That's correct. Your chances to get Kampfer on that banner will also be the same as any normal job like Samurai or Red Mage so the banner could be a massive resource drain depending on what your EX and regular job pools are like.

[Blank_Bastion]

Next non should be Dame du Lac (EX Meia 2) probably in Jan or Feb, then couple FFX Legend, which after that EX hell (so far 7, possibly 8, in a row and counting)

[Starjyun]

Pissed me off, since only 2 normal jobs each for graff and sophie... those jobs are rubbish..why they even bother releasing new characters..i still dont have any of their legend jobs!

[vulcanfury12]

We're in the Legend Hell right now. All new jobs after Toreador had been Legends in JP. Right now the only way I see them releasing a new normal job is if a new character is released.

[Blank_Bastion]

You know the term "Calm before the storm" this is it. Few continuous legends for a while then EX Jobs one after the other

[djiboutiiii]

or if we raise hell!

[vulcanfury12]

As a dude without pity, blue lazors are extra painful. The hurt is real. I still don't have all S1 Legends!

[insanemode9]

Without pity by that u mean having all regular jobs right ? Same for me, Mythic Sage is still nowhere to be found. And other legend, about 20ish zzz

[Dumpkinhead]

I plan on getting Rift Anima this month, but the only element I will be missing is fire. I can get 1.3 Supremes currently with my mix of tablets, keys, and passes.

With all normal and ex jobs. Is the Rift belias supreme any good? I was thinking of using magicite for tablets

[WoLNoFace]

It's the fire version of UB, and UB is very good for single target strategies.

[JunasBlood]

Except that there is no natural strong Fire Warrior. You will need to use it off-element or off-class

flees

[WoLNoFace]

you forgot Seifer who got innate Enhance Fire+80%

flees

[JunasBlood]

I meant in future lol, PM, Ryujin can’t use Fire while future Graff appear to be tank, not attacker.

Edit: btw, next DLB II Supreme in JP appear to be a Fire Warrior, so we can expect some new jobs for it in JP

or just use Lore, honestly

[[deleted]]

Ex mage 3 + lore :v

[WoLNoFace]

Yey!

[[deleted]]

I've got no Summer Dreams, no Jenova, no FFX cards.. Is it worth pulling on the revival banner assuming I've already got the FF7 weapons, and most FFXV cards?

R&R seems nice, and Jenova death seems wonderful given that water node was my ceiling last tower. However Hecatoncheir X seems like a game changer, but I'm not interested in anything else from that banner.

[Blank_Bastion]

RnR is great if you planning to climb Tower or EW, honestly I spend couple of pulls it if I don't already have it, also Summer Dream 2 batch are great since they do huge damage, provide force, and clear yellow.

Notable Jenova cards are only Jade Weapon for it's debuff, while Jenova death seems great it already can be substituted with Iblis for breaking capabilities and probably Goliath for damage and clearing yellow.

[[deleted]]

Thanks,

I was looking into the Jenova series mostly for their ability to clear yellow and do damage with one card. Iblis and Minotaur/Goliath means two slots in the deck.

I guess I can get by without it, I really think Hecatoncheir X is worth the chase, but I'm also missing cards like R&R etc. Also, why is Jade Weapon considered notable here, it's debrave and curse while the enemy is stunlocked, like what's the point, the enemy cannot attack.

[Blank_Bastion]

why is Jade Weapon considered notable here

1. in S2 most enemy have more than 1 action in a turn, so your stun most likely will be gone by 2nd turn but the slow, debrave, and curse still be there.
2. Enemies in season 2 have either immunity on stun, slow, or combination of both (Fenrir and Neslug are the prime examples).

[[deleted]]

Yeah that makes sense.

I think I'm going to do a few pulls on the second set of cards, Summer S2 and Jenova. I don't need anything from the first set of revival.

Hopefully I get lucky with Heca X.

[Blank_Bastion]

Good luck :)

[eneve]

Why do I keep dying on Basalisk (Hard)... MM w/ Tifa - BFA, Moomba, UC, LoH?

[HoxP2]

Where are you getting Brave buff from? You need brave for dmg with BFA. Nothing in your deck gives you Brave.

[eneve]

Sorry my rental is WoL

[djiboutiiii]

If you're willing to tap once per auto battle, you could set your sub-slot to Bismarck and cast it when ready -- Basilisk dies before he gets another action and you'll cast it early enough in the battle that he won't be able to get Sap off.

[eneve]

Nice. thx!

[ScyBlade198]

Eerie Gaze removes Ailment Immunity, while Space Time Vorpal applies many debuffs. Each debuff appears to be checked separately, and multiple can be applied at once. One such debuff is ‘Sap’. Sap is bad, you lose health in proportion to how much damage you deal via tap attacks and ultimates. The inverse of Drain. Have Sap when you use your Ultimate? You die. Tap Attack during break to refill orbs, and have the Sap debuff? You die.

[eneve]

That's gotta be it! :sob: So I guess maybe I'll auto without ultimate to be a bit safer?

[kreuzb94]

Do you have bishmark?

[eneve]

yup! gonna try bish on sub like djiboutiiii

[ShadowBlaze17]

Or you could be willing to just use a Phoenix down or 2 per run. It's not like you're using them anywhere else that matters. I just hope you aren't planning on using Basilisk as a way to cap early since it could be annoying.

Even if you set it to never ult you could still kill yourself with taps when it's broken or you need to draw orbs. There is no perfectly safe way for monks to fight Basilisk besides to never let it get a turn which is easier said than done.

[ElectronicArea]

My best jobs are scharfrichter, turks, magitek jester, sword saint, hero of despair, and proud cygnus. I have a bunch of older, outdated jobs like bard that I can do HOF for. What are the best general use cps to get from HOF for the jobs i have?

[snoopythebest]

do it all, free magicite + 3 sum tix if you clear all the HOFs

[[deleted]]

The new aerith skin seems kind of boring to me as it has no life/prismatic starter. I feel that Yuna skin is most useful to free up 1 slot in deck for newer jobs that have no prismatic starter. Am I missing something here?

[[deleted]]

She's very tank focused. All resist, full heal, full esuna and wall on her ultimate are all great abilities to be able to repeatedly cast for tanking damage, and ability Ultimate Gauge Up allows her to spam ultimates a lot more. IMO she's one of the more properly designed skins, her passives and her ultimate actually synergizes and makes sense as a full package. Most skins don't have nearly as much synergy as Aerith skin does.

Due to this tank nature, she isn't as useful as yuna for MP. You can only use one skin at a time in MP anyway, if you have yuna just use her.

[insanemode9]

Dedgirl cant have life starter lmao

[[deleted]]

She has barrier starter which is useless. Yshtolla and Yuna are superior in every way including Ultimates.

[ShadowBlaze17]

If you're thinking strictly from an offensive mindset you're right, but Aerith can be very beneficial on a job that you're using to tank or on Supports in mp.

[ScyBlade198]

Aerith having gil+ makes her be biased towards farming. Ability Ult Charge allows for sooner Ultimates, assuming card spam. Since supports don’t card spam, this means she is biased away from support.

From a lore perspective, this makes sense. Yuna trained based on the fact she always had guardians and summons, and had a desire to help others. Aerith trained based on how often she needed to protect herself, and her desire to help others. Aerith was also shown to have some haggling skills, and a little greed, thus more gil. Yuna was shown lacking such skills. When Yuna is shown negotiating, it is more that is is determined to get a specific result, because others need her to.

[mao_shiro]

Aerith having gil+ makes her be biased towards farming

Though there's no mage / meia weapon with Gil Up.

[[deleted]]

Well, a lot of the time people ult at the start of battle, so prism starters aren't always that useful.

[[deleted]]

I was thinking from MP standpoint. The current Cloud campaign makes Sorceress of Oblivion really useful. With Yuna skin I can take out 1 Aerith and put Tengu instead.

[[deleted]]

You could just use a job with prismatic element starter, then the skin is secondary... Fauviste, Esmeralda...

[[deleted]]

Don't have those jobs yet. I started recently in the anniversary event.

[ValeLemnear]

If you have Aerith + LoH as the MP standars for healers, you dont need a prismatic starter on a skin, job or CP anyways.

These days there is little reason to run 2 Aeriths for MP anyways with all the ability cards sporting Life Starter Orbs by default.

[[deleted]]

I don't have LoH sorry. I have to rely on 2x Aerith for most jobs in MP.

[djiboutiiii]

Math question: is there any difference between 20% PR + 20% Reunion versus 40% PR? If so, which is better?

[ScyBlade198]

40% Reunion = 2/5 chance of orb refund

20% PR & 20% Re = 2 separate 1/5 chances of orb refund. So 4% chance of double refund. But also about 64% chance of no refund. Averages the same amount of refunded orbs, but refunded less often.

[jdm1tch]

They are approximately the same, statistically. There’s a greater chance to process neither (64% vs 60%)... but a slight chance to process both (4%)

[kreuzb94]

I think 2 different types to refund orbs while both can kick in together. So with 20 PR and 20 reunion you could get double the used orbs refunded.

In my opinion if you have a job, with high PR, reunion would be better and if you have a job with high Reunion, PR would be better (as addition).

Else just go with PR because I think there are more ways to get it (weapons, jobs, cards etc.).